TLDR: Because everyone’s doing it, all the time, and it’s bleeding obvious.
Because at least ninety percent of the messages I get use negging. And more negging. And pretty much just that, aside from some painfully unfunny banter. Banter is great—it’s what we used to call “conversation”—but you need to do it for more than two floppy sentences before you start firing random insults.
Which is why I hope these guys are just experimenting, because it’s fairly safe to assume that they know I know that negging exists. And here’s the thing: once a girl has even the sketchiest idea of what game is about, you can no longer depend on the rules to keep working the same way.
It’s literally the One Thing everyone knows about game at this point.
Negging, for example, is supposed to bring results because it reduces a woman’s status, or her perception of her status, so that you seem higher in status by comparison.
I wonder how these guys make friends?
Do they go around insulting everyone on first meeting and keep who’s a punching bag?
However, if she knows that this is the purpose of negging, and she knows you know that, then negging is essentially telling her: “I think you’re too good for me, and I’m trying to bring you down to my level.” That is about as sexy as socks with sandals. And cargo shorts. You can argue logically with that all you like, but you can’t argue with results, or lack thereof.
Everyone with an internet connection knows that by now. And peacocking but that’s hilarious, keep that up.
If you tell a girl you hate the way she looks, she won’t fancy you. Since attraction is physical. A man who attracts her will be one who likes her “Look” – a very personal thing. You’ve killed your chance with her.
If you tell a girl you hate her, due to some transient quality – she’ll believe you. And avoid you, either for judging you or because she prizes that thing. Because that’s what you do when there is awkwardness with a random (and negative sexual tension btw).
Here’s my personal favourite;
If you tell a girl she’s not good enough for you, which every single woman in the West has heard because of the absolute popularity of that one form of negging in media, if she has a brain she will scoff and you’ll complain about a bitch shield. Basically the type of attitude you’ll have created is –
From what normally might be a nice girl.
We’ve heard it so much, always (deeply ironically) from ghetto rats or lower-class trash, it doesn’t work anymore. Sometimes we’ll assume you’re autistic or joking and just laugh, awkward. Planning a means to leave and never, ever speak to you again. And you choose this time to ask for numbers?? Can’t you see how ridiculous you are?
The high-value ones don’t need to announce their value, let alone compare themselves to a woman, that’s what effete boys do. It’s become a DLV. If we can’t see you’re high value, you aren’t. Insults just make you look bad and give us social license to match you.
It assumes so much it’s ridiculous. That a woman can be judged on sight, Sherlock-style, that you formed that opinion regardless of your own value (sure, if your James Bond and a total 10 yourself, use it, that would be dynamite, otherwise I don’t think so, especially from a 7 or below it becomes highly amusing like watching a little kid tell you they could beat you up) and the autism-like trait of voicing that very rude opinion (definitely a No-Go in England, at least) doesn’t attract anyone. It’s supposed to be a (puerile) response to the girls who say things like “You wish” and “In your dreams”, which, if you’ve been drooling at her and staring on the Tube, is a totally fair rebuff. We have social rules for this reason, like calling any man invading personal space on purpose or taking body pics for masturbation a ‘creep’, it’s more descriptive that happens to be an insult if you do those things. You can actually get banned from the Tube for example, if you do it to enough women and they report you. There are police lines set up for this sort of thing, harassment like this it’s so common, which dumb American tourists should be told about if we didn’t expect you to behave to First World standards…
That’s deserved creep status, for example a Tube carriage isn’t a club nor should ever be treated like one, we’re there because we have to be, our social rules (in England at least) highly respect space and privacy especially in a metal can under the ground which has been used for terrorist attacks. You forgot? Yeah, we wish we could. Yeah, it’s got that cultural significance to it, that reverence, remember, and show some damn respect. Respect the cultural differences and don’t blame us when you’re arrested. American Negging is like the topping for what is already a shit sundae. It’s like walking up to a person to tell them you’re ignoring them – childish (beta-seeming) and pathetic. I tend to say “Yet you wanted to talk to me………….”
Yes, I get this a lot.
It confuses them. They know I’m onto them. Then I walk away, if possible. They never follow from shame.
The problem with game, and negging in particular, is that it only works on insecure or damaged girls.
A regular woman with a sense of self (aka what’s normally considered quality) will simply see it for what it is – an overt, pitiful, public attempt at emotional abuse/blackmail to foster dependence. Despite the material on Dark Triad for professional applications, regular/good women don’t want that, or there’d be no single men in prison. Again, it only works on the messed-up ones. So don’t blame the girl because you spit shit game, son.
If you read Hare’s work on Dark Triad (really the definitive coverage) you’ll notice their personal lives are shit. In every case, it’s part of their condition. There’s a reason for that. The gains only apply in a corporate framework, which most in the manosphere don’t have, especially real MGTOW.
It’s like avoiding a street magician. You may like the odd card trick, but you feel you’ve seen it all before.
Personally, if any random bloke who was previously trying to flirt begins to insult me, I insult them right back viciously and tell them to go fuck themselves. That’s the British tradition, we’re allowed to match the rudeness of those “starting on us”. The British have a series of frames all our own, a British girl likely won’t buy into it because she sees it for what it is, we practically invented the concept with British humour e.g “who are you, mate?” is a typical British response, from men and women, to somebody overstepping their boundaries and imposing their frame. It’s been putting people in their place for centuries. I don’t date rude people, period, and insulting someone you just met, especially someone you’re supposed to like, makes me wonder what terrible company you’ll be later on.
But hey, I’m psychologically normal, so I guess that’s the response you should expect to public verbal abuse. Online you’ll get a ‘lol no’ and a block. Don’t dish it if you can’t take it, as we’ve seen with bitchy male Tinder responses to a taste of their own medicine, because women are naturally better mindfuckers than men. This is how women fight, you’re playing a woman’s game.
Just hope no male relatives or friends are with me or your mark when you try it on. They don’t stop at verbal barrage like me. 😉 Hope you didn’t need that face for anything.
Btw, all of this I just explained is why Roosh hated London. Fair play, don’t bother
with us. Our politeness conventions and etiquette are the sworn enemy of Game.
All the nice, pretty girls are hidden away at private parties and no, I won’t tell you where.