About 30, yep. 30-35 if they age well physically (look at most guys your age).
Look up a testosterone level chart for further details, the female Wall follows the oestrogen levels. But too much (like by supplement) will throw your levels off and cause problems (premature balding, for example).
A closer examination of this theory, however, shows that many other variables are at play for determining a man’s real-life results, and that the common man may be better served securing long-term partners before waiting for his supposed “peak” to arrive, especially if he doesn’t practice game….
So, most men most of the time. I’ve been saying this the whole time. There’s nothing like talking to burned out former players (in their 40s) about their regrets to drive this home.
Don’t waste your prime years:
The Wall refers to a peak in SMV and how everything after is a relative decline, the downslide, so really this is his way of guessing male Wall ages without telling his male readers explicitly what he warns them against. Clever.
That sweet spot will likely be in his mid 30’s, where he has a high level of resources, game, and social status but still maintains a hopefully youthful aesthetic that doesn’t turn off the most beautiful women in their early 20’s or even late teens….
Notice the bolded hedging.
It’s like 27 in a woman. You can tell whether things will bode well in their SMV future (or likely not) at these ages. If you look at the current male celebrities in circulation, a bizarrely high number of them are 32 years old. The female ones tend to peak in fame at about 27. It can’t be a coincidence.
Most 27 year old women have gotten fat. Most 32 year old men too. They start to lose It, their erotic capital or SMV. If they’re gonna go, let themselves go, it will probably have already happened by then. This is my personal theory about why both sexes wait longer to marry – to insure against buying a lemon two years from self-destruction.
Here’s a famous example I saw recently, and I was actually shocked by, to inspire me to look into it. Public figure and public pictures so I don’t feel like I’m being mean.
Tom Hiddleston age 32, in 2013.
Tom Hiddleston, age 34, in 2015.
I showed other women more recent pictures and they were like “omg wtf happened to Loki?”
It’s been two years, since they saw him at SDCC. Women openly mentioned this brief time window in their response.
Even Tumblr has started to lose interest in the guy who was formerly Prince Charming of Tumblr. Which contains some of the most desperate horny women on the internet.
I’m sure this downgrade in female attention had nothing to do with his newfound feminist advocacy in 2014, age 33.
I think I’ve proven my point. Note: this applies in general. Of course there’ll be exceptions, have a cookie.
Even Roosh admits he’s bumping into problems based on his age (and the guy isn’t even properly Old yet, 40+).
The “men peak in their mid 30’s” theory applies if:
- ….He lies about his age to women in the 18-25 age range since many of them don’t want a man 15+ years older.
…This constitutes less than 1% of Western men, and it doesn’t even apply to me….
…..I’ve since peaked. I’m getting pretty girls but not obviously hotter than the one in 2008 and nowhere near more quantity than in 2011….
I admire the guy for his honesty on results. Men deserve the truth on these matters. Although for ego reasons he blames the lack of approaches (something within his control – what a coincidence), which can’t account for the whole thing, surely.
When I got to this part I LOL’d so hard;
My most prolific year was 2011, when I was 32.…………
Because I understood why. Oh, I understood completely.
I physically and mentally can’t approach a high number of girls anymore.
See the T-level thing I said up top.
Most guys I know maximize their game effort in their mid to late 20’s and start dropping off in their 30’s.
Where in their 30s? 32, by any chance?
Warning: you cannot unsee this age thing now. I’m sorry.
For this second group of men, their peak will be in their late 20’s or early 30’s.
That wouldn’t happen to be about 32, would it?
Unless a man is paying for sex outright through prostitution or Russian-style “sponsorship,” his ability to get 18-25 year olds will begin dropping gradually after 35, while his ability to get promiscuous mature women who had their spins on the carousel will skyrocket.
Beware of suspiciously round numbers and factors of 5.
I just turned 36 and I’m so far from my peak that I am having trouble approaching even 10% of the girls I was doing just four years ago.
Does that sound 12 months off from the peak/Wall, tops?
In terms of the most desirable women of society, it will very soon become harder for me every year to attract the women I want.
Ah, entitlement. How sexy in either sex.
We now live in a time where girls in their prime don’t care about a man’s resources.
This is true. So why do you factor it into SMV at any age, for short-term flings? You can see SMV from across a room.
The denial in the comments is hilarious. The “I’m still hot!” self-rationalizations.
They’re all like: focus on other stuff! women shouldn’t be so shallow! and sound like feminists who think a man should be attracted by their CV.
With some sage words;
An excellent post. As far as age, by itself, most men peak in late twenties. The older you grow, the more you need compensatory traits to make up for the age gap. There is plenty of wishful thinking in the manosphere about male peak, but its obvious that it gets harder to bang prime age women every year you age past 30.
It’s fairly obvious that men peak about 27 in many dimensions.
27 for men if they have low quality genes and start to age up really early, yes. Otherwise, too low an estimate, if you take care of yourself. Men have thicker skin among other traits, so their aging happens to be delayed in the face.