Vaccine shedding such a myth the Guardian wrote about it + Herd Immunity 100% fascism

Vaccine shedding, covered here.

Click to access Live-Virus-Vaccines-and-Vaccine-Shedding.pdf

http://www.theguardian.com/science/2015/aug/27/man-found-to-have-been-shedding-virulent-strain-of-polio-for-30-years

Websites like this;

“Vaccine Shedding”: Time Up For Another Vaccine Myth

encourage fascists to think they can make life or death decisions for other people’s children. That they have no legal obligations toward (unlike the parents).

Can you sue the manufacturers? No.
Can you sue the doctors who told you to take it, despite counter indicators like pregnancy or family history? No.
Can you sue the people in your life who manipulated you into getting it with rhetoric about being a baby-killer? No.

Even though they are legally culpable in every conceivable sense.

Nowhere are criminal charges available (against professionals in-role) even though lying about toxins (poisons) is otherwise considered murder.

Until you can sue people for taking on (giving/giving advice) and abusing a medical duty of care, the uptake rates will remain low.

Most parents have their wits about them and think: I won’t sacrifice my child’s health for yours. It’s the natural genophilic instinct.

Their reasoning is to force people to do something on the off chance it might benefit themselves (r-types), but if they’re vaccinated themselves, and vaccine failure is such a ‘myth’ to them, why should others’ behaviour impact them? Logically that would be impossible.

Vaccine Fascists: Communist emotional blackmail, give yourself up to the herd, shame on you, you put others in danger.
Any other moral issue from a Leftist: it’s my choice e.g. to take drugs, I’m not hurting anyone at any point and you shouldn’t judge me because I allow you to do what you want.

Despite how behavioural studies have shown many behaviours, especially anti-social ones, are socially contagious.

It’s a Big Lie on par with Global Warming.

Ever thought there might be a connection between the use of adjuvants (that irritate the immune system, no really they’re supposed to) in a clustered combined schedule and the inexplicable rise of autoimmune conditions over recent times?

http://www.alternet.org/story/80129/the_autoimmune_epidemic%3A_bodies_gone_haywire_in_a_world_out_of_balance

Like when you drill down about the hypothesis and myth of herd immunity. How much, you ask? How many is enough to sacrifice on the altar of Complete Strangers Who Might Hypothetically Benefit? It used to be 50-70% given as a percentage, at the start. But the longer you drill down, the higher their shrill calls for control, by now they’re calling for;

http://www.iflscience.com/health-and-medicine/herd-immunity-and-measles-why-we-should-aim-100-vaccination-coverage

Herd Immunity And Measles: Why We Should Aim For 100% Vaccination Coverage

hahaha fuck you

So who the fuck is this supposed to be protecting?

We have to protect everyone by …not leaving anyone in the control group to protect. Why don’t they want a group of people to remain unvaccinated? It would make the vaccine manufacturers look bad.

Why do you think there are no studies with a control group? This is basic science.

I’ve said before, why are there no longitudinal studies double-blind between kids that get the full schedule and kids that get saline? With a population of thousands either side?

Wouldn’t that settle this debate forever?

Yet they don’t want to do that study. They want everyone to get the drugs and we’ll have nobody to compare to.

If you think this is an IQ thing, Silicon Valley has been recently dragged up for a witch hunt on the subject for having low vaccination rates.

Why 92? All these numbers given for herd immunity are arbitrary, except 100%.

Herd immunity is actually a ripoff of the economic theory of the Free Loader/Rider hypothesis, which apparently doesn’t exist when discussing the welfare state but the Left suddenly believe in free riding on ‘herd immunity’ by a magical group of Victims nobody can point at. How many are there being protected by it, as a percentage? The rhetoric is useful to them. Usually people cited who have no voice: babies, the elderly, the immunocompromised, given the size of these demographics alone, the % they’re giving now are IMPOSSIBLE.

The ‘Protected’ Group constitutes more than 1% of the population, leaving the Herd Immunity % required at 99. And why should 99 people sacrifice their own health for a complete stranger? This is never morally argued but implied in a cowardly way while turning a blind eye to lawsuit bribes and damage cases ending in death, paralysis and disease.

They’ll hold up naturally dead babies as the parent’s faults (evil) but ones caused by medical negligence (the parents and other’s) are fine??? Like the aborted fetal cells used in testing?
http://www.historyofvaccines.org/content/articles/human-cell-strains-vaccine-development

http://www.thevaccinereaction.org/2015/06/the-misunderstood-theory-of-herd-immunity/

It currently stipulates that in order to provide immunity to a population against contagious diseases like measles you must vaccinate at least 95% of the population. Theoretically-speaking, with a vaccination rate of 95%, the diseases should be eradicated.

The ‘Victim Group’ is more than 5% total though. This is impossible.

In an epidemiological review paper titled “Herd Immunity: History, Theory, Practice,” written by Paul E. M. Fine and published in 1993, the author notes that the first “published use” of the term herd immunity “appears to have been” in a paper titled “The spread of bacterial infection: the problem of herd immunity,” written by W. W. C. Topley and G. S. Wilson and published in 1923. From Fine’s paper, it seems that the theory of herd immunity was originally developed based on some observations with mice and some “simple mathematical formulations,” but the paper is unclear about whether the theory was ever validated through some of sort scientific peer review process—as is commonly the case with theories that eventually come to be widely accepted as “proven science.”12

In 1933, Dr. Arthur W. Hedrich, a health officer in Chicago, IL observed that during 1900-1930, outbreaks of measles in Boston, MA appeared to be suppressed when 68% of the children contracted the virus.3

That’s where the ‘modern’ stance of about 70% came from.

When the mass vaccination campaign for measles in the US began in earnest in the mid-1960s, the US Public Health Service planned to vaccinate over 55% (based on the Baltimore observation) of the U.S. population, and it announced that it fully expected to eradicate measles by 1967.

Guess what happened.

When that didn’t happen,

snort lol laugh haha hmph derision yeah duh really uhuh mhmm princess bride

the Public Health Service came up [made up] with vaccination rate figures of 70-75% as the way to ensure herd immunity. When eradication was still not achieved at those rates, public health officials jacked up the rates to 80%, 83%, 85%, and ultimately to 90%.5

When have your Government ever been wrong?

Did they ever consider pausing and re-evaluating the original premise behind the theory of herd immunity? Or did they trudge on, arbitrarily raising the bar?

Government? Admit wrongdoing? Nay, mistakes were made lassie but not by them!

Now the rate is up to 95% to achieve herd immunity. But as we see with the continual outbreaks, even at 95% we still do not have full immunity. In China, the vaccination rates are even higher—99%. But there are also still measles outbreaks there.6 So is the answer 100%? And what if at 100% you still get outbreaks? We’ve gone from herd immunity supposedly achieved at 55% to herd immunity that is clearly not achieved even at 95%. At what point will public health officials have to confront the possibility that herd immunity may not be the best theory on which to base vaccination policy?

When idiots are in charge

They’d get sued.

Ignoring the cases of vaccine failure, what is the effectiveness of a single vaccine? e.g. this is the first one I found, on a single mumps vaccine, full double-dose.

http://cid.oxfordjournals.org/content/47/11/1458.full

Increased reports of mumps in vaccinated populations prompted a review of the performance of mumps vaccines. The effectiveness of prior vaccination with 1 dose of vaccine ranged from 72.8% to 91% for the Jeryl Lynn strain, from 54.4% to 93% for the Urabe strain, and from 0% to 33% for the Rubini strain. Vaccine effectiveness after 2 doses of mumps vaccine was reported in 3 outbreaks and ranged from 91% to 94.6%. There was evidence of waning immunity, which is a likely factor in mumps outbreaks, aggravated by possible antigenic differences between the vaccine strain and outbreak strains. Inadequate vaccine coverage or use of the Rubini vaccine strain accounted for the majority of outbreaks reviewed; however, some outbreaks could not be prevented, despite high vaccination coverage with 2 doses of the Jeryl Lynn vaccine strain. Our findings indicate the need for more-effective mumps vaccines and/or for review of current vaccination policies to prevent future outbreaks.

The ‘scientists’ are shifting the blame to the politicians. This will end well.

cool nothing shocks me scientist indiana jones calm haha amused

Challenge: aside from the arbitrary HI % we have since established is a joke (100%? Really?)…

Total population (100%) – Unvaccinated Victim Group/s Hypothetically Protected by Herd Immunity (as a %) = Maximum % that CAN be vaccinated, to protect said Victim group via Herd Immunity.

How much of the Total Population is that? Anybody have a single number? That is the maximum that herd immunity rationales may cover. Hypothetically.

One response to “Vaccine shedding such a myth the Guardian wrote about it + Herd Immunity 100% fascism

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