Harassment still illegal but apparently women need extra protection

This is silly. I saw some anti-fems complaining about it and it made no sense

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/county-in-uk-makes-it-a-hate-crime-to-upset-women/article/2596356

It’s already illegal.

Harassment, assault, stalking.

I got a tingling sensation in my Bullshit O’Meter.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demography_of_Nottingham#Ethnicity

28.46% non-white.

There’s your necessity.

In an effort to crack down on the alleged “tidal wave of abuse and harassment” women face every day, the county’s police force is now considering things like catcalling and pickup lines to be a hate crime if they are directed toward a woman from a man.

They’re never directed the other way and those things are already illegal, they just made it official.
Because you don’t see it the other way, they didn’t mention it.
However, a woman groping a man on public transport? Illegal.
A woman stalker? They happen to celebrities most famously, illegal.
Women being chucked out by a bouncer for refusing to take No for a reply? I’ve seen that more often than the man equivalent because women assume they won’t be hurt or punished for doing it. Illegal, police can be called.

The law is being applied equally but the crime is not practiced by both sexes in the same manner.

includes behavior targeted towards a woman by men simply because they are a woman.

antisocial behaviour
already illegal
however, hate crime is largely hinged on targeting, so yes, it would be, just like the Rotherham rapists going for white girls
it’s part of their motivation, since nobody can help what they were born
we can’t suddenly become men whatever surgery is available
the anti-fems are usually smarter than this…

Of course, that could include anything a woman deems offensive or unwanted from a man. It’s completely subjective.

Exactly. All crimes are on a case-by-case basis. We have these things called judges and juries to sort it out? Not public opinion, or even personal opinion?
Assault is completely subjective according to our law.
Men commit most crimes, this is an expected pattern that they would be the main perp. In any crime. Based on stats.

Newsweek reports that now “everything from verbal comments to unwanted physical approaches” will be considered a hate crime. Send a woman a text when she doesn’t like you? Hate crime. Tell your female friend she looks good today? Hate crime.

That’s hysterical over-reaction. From ‘men’. [or someone who panders to the insecure ones]
You are not forced to make lewd comments (always illegal) nor block someone’s physical space or prevent them from moving, say by grabbing (always illegal). Even our police cannot do those things, see kettling, they’re wearing body cams now. Pick-up endorses these things as building rapport, being an alpha dog and ‘escalating’ ‘kino’. …If the internet told you to jump off a cliff….
How could sending a text be illegal if she gave you her number? Did you take the number? Illegal.
If she’s your friend, why would she report you? How is ‘looking good’ an insult??? [This one nonsense example makes more sense further down when you see the ‘journalist’]

The MGTOW-pandering lot want something to complain about again. This isn’t even in your country. You said something had to be done post-Rotherham, this is part of it. Mind your own shit. You have riots, plural.

The only thing mentioned in the Newsweek article that even remotely sounds like it merits the time of police officers is when a man takes a photo of a woman without her consent. Depending on the type of photo and reason for taking it, that can be disgusting.

We don’t base our laws on how it sounds like to skanky Americans?
Without her consent is the entire frickin’ point. Without. As in, cannot obtain. As in, denied.

Erm it isn’t about what makes the man feel comfortable – that’s the point. If you go up to any stranger and cause public disturbance they could report you, whatever your sex or sexuality or fetishes. Begging is illegal, so is soliciting. This is in keeping with the antique laws, old as paper. We are not a high trust society. You can’t expect to be welcomed by strangers, that is unreasonable, entitled and egoistic/emotional. Women are the ones being approached, not their choice, 99% of the time it’s that way around, the ‘men’ in question do NOT listen when told by a fellow citizen to respect their right to be left in peace because of this shit they read online, and then, as these twerps remind us, all women are in physical danger of rape, so we need to be extra vigilant to potential rapists and protect ourselves.

Pick one. Stranger danger or men do their damn job if they’re claiming to be so masculine.
How do we protect ourselves? Well, we banned guns, most knives, we can’t touch one another, so words will have to do. Fire with fire.

That includes telling a creepy stranger who clearly only wants a free hooker and to comment on your body like parts at a butcher to go fuck himself. Men don’t like being treated this way either, they find it humiliating, demeaning and emasculating.* Real life is not porn. There is no entitlement to sex. They could just leave a card and say nothing but where does it call that illegal? Nowhere! Instead they want to reduce the rights of women in the First World. Unmarried women, because it’s less likely they’ll get beaten up by relations, but I’ve seen it tried on married ones too. Those people are trash. Do not defend them, even vicariously.
Those photos are often posted online, another crime. Upskirts on porn sites for example. Faces are shown, identifying information like locations and bus routes. Do most men wear skirts? No, but I’m sure the law would also be applied to upskirts of a man in a kilt if you want to get decked by a Scotsman. Please, go ahead, internet toughie.

There was no intent to disrespect the unknown woman, but now, just because a man took the photo, that could be a hate crime.

Yanks and your emphasis on bloody opinions. High off your own gas. That sounds like a great legal defense, I didn’t mean to. Truly, superb. I didn’t mean to corner her and grab her and refuse to leave her alone when asked. There was no intent to disrespect in any of that behaviour, judge.

Filming in public is illegal, I covered this with pick-up artists filming in London.
Photos can be incitement of harassment or simply derogatory, libelous to the reputation. Especially with lewd comments. Getting the picture? Actions have consequences. If it gives you a sexual thrill from a stranger, it’s probably illegal e.g. frottage. Your ignorance of our law does not excuse that.

All those whiny outrage feminist articles that most people laugh off as first world problems are now influencing actual criminal law.

Look up the actual criminal law.
Fucking spergs. Shoot these people with the anarchists, they’re a waste of air.
Protecting people is so bigoted! ~ retards

If a Muslim comes up to your 9 year old niece and asks a lewd question, this law would protect her. We don’t have guns and almost no right to physically defend ourselves. What else is there, darling?
It’s a reaction to the cultures they freely admit are truly misogynistic. As in, women as cattle-whores. With no choice, so keep trying it on. Any unchaperoned woman is fair game to rape. Okay, side with those people, but don’t pretend your incentive is First World freedoms.

There is no arguing against this if you look it up. Journalists do research, not this vacuous bitching.

Shockingly, domestic abuse won’t be considered a hate crime, even though it is an objectively offensive crime, because it has its own established procedure. Go figure.

Number one. OPINION IS NOT LAW. Ahem.

It won’t be considered a (new) crime (on the books) because it’s already a crime with all the full statutes to cover it, isn’t that TERRIBLE?!

Checkmate, feminazis! You already protect women in the comfort of their own home!

what wtf wut confused shocked are you seeing this omfg how

Also, men are protected from being battered by their spouses too! Because that happens and the law recognizes it! The UK legal system hates men and this is PROOF! ahahahahaha!

“Understanding this as a hate crime will help people to see the seriousness of these incidents and hopefully encourage more women to come forward and report offences.”

Guess the perps. Why would they be afraid of reporting white men in their own country?
Because it isn’t mostly white men committing these crimes.
It’s those who prey on white meat. Sure, screw the harassers whatever their race, same with all criminals, but sexual crime isn’t fine if the perp is a white male. There are no Get Out Of Jail Free cards, unless you’re really arguing for some kind of institutional, legally valid white privilege?

“Women and girls face a tidal wave of abuse and harassment every day. Our law has to send a clear signal that this is not acceptable. It is a crime.”

That woman quoted as if she is wrong, is correct. It’s a re-codification and clarification of the law, this happens locally all the time (case law?). I may think hate crime logic is flawed, severely, but if you’re gonna have it, it’d be a good idea for places like Sweden or Germany to take it up, don’t you think?
The purpose is to DETER more serious crimes, by people who already don’t respect the law of this country.

…who could that be?????

It protects the white women because the men aren’t doing it.

omg really wtf go away no audrey

This will become common, and necessary, as things get worse.

Sure, blame us. Blame the victims. You want tradition, though, right? As long as you don’t have to get off your arse.

It must be nice to have so little actual crime that the police can focus on such things.

It sounds like the nasal tone of a bitchy pajama boy. I could also go into a Swiss bank wearing a ski mask and holding a black water pistol. I don’t because that is a stupid thing to do. Do not act like a rapist if you are not a rapist. If women must protect ourselves, the law must support us in that endeavor because the men forsook their sex’s historical duty.
If women are victims, should the police laugh it off? But when the NYE attacks happened it was all “they’re hurting our women! we must stop this! we need more laws!”

The real question: why do you assume your behaviour toward women would get you into legal trouble?

Wouldn’t the judge let you off, if you truly did nothing wrong?
It’s like the ones who say I just wanted to buy her a drink as if that was really It and spiking drinks doesn’t happen. Women are not under any obligation to accept attentions from men, it is dangerous. That’s why men threaten women with rape online, when we can’t even see who it is but they can see us. Playing I’m Not Like the Other Guys snowflake routine doesn’t work, because you are a stranger. The rapists say that too. The ones so nice they have to remind you/tell you how Nice they are, because you can’t be trusted to form that opinion by yourself. Nobody should be given the benefit of the doubt where matters of physical safety are concerned. This isn’t even a sexual point, it’s common sense.

Freedom of association. Freedom. As in, everyone. Nothing to do with voting rights (suffrage was universal, not female) or emotionality (ostrogen is not the emotion hormone, if anything that’s testosterone with clear forensic links to crime and mental instability). There’s really no such thing as too much oestrogen in women, and in men it’s actually too little testosterone, rather than oestrogen, causing their health problems. HBD doesn’t care about your feels. “Estrogen is partly responsible for creating healthy sperm” #science

Do you remember what the excuse was, of the Rotherham rapists to the police?
They’re our girlfriend.
How was this possible?

They picked her up. Between ‘home’ and school. Pick-ups. Literal. In taxis. 

They go on to mention an online poll, about online stuff.
As if that has anything to do with this.
Online. Aka not in public. Not a law. Not even English.

Then-

That actually makes this law misandrist, since only men can be the perpetrators even though women are guilty as well.

It doesn’t say that and case law, a single case, could easily disprove it. With the help of the Equality Act, you silly Yank.
‘That’ says nothing but triggered opinion. You and your specious non sequiturs.

As we’ve seen time and time again from outrage feminists [American] on social media [online], any criticism of a woman is misogyny [patently false]. That would make this article misogynist [if you say so?], but I wouldn’t be prosecuted [but…you just said… it broke a law] — not just because I don’t live in Nottinghamshire [you don’t need to, it’s called a holiday?] — but also because I’m a woman. [nope, a lesbian would also be guilty of harassing women, you utter prat]

This guy (sperg logic, more masculine) is as retarded as Lindy West.
Even she wouldn’t go that far into Whataboutism derailment combined with What IF.
I often slag off male opinions on this topic when they’re wrong, because men are usually the only ones discussing these things. This is an example of a dippy conservative cuck, shilling for shekels like the best Jezebel tarts.

Wait, so all this being triggered is still from a woman, objecting to misogyny objections, even though there’s no feminists in sight?

….Wow America. You used to be cool.
She’s actually siding on the same side as ISIS, because America.

Kevin-Hart-Really-o rlly lies

It’s like a Yank right-wing Claudia Boleyn, she assumes that anything protecting women is automatically bad and wrong based on her political position (more insulting, as true conservatives do not hate women) but actually Claudia is more logical than this person.

It’s almost as if we abandoned our moral standards and manners, and then panicked over their absence and are now trying to bring them back in the form of legislation.

WE?

OUR?

Whither this liberal universalism henceforth stench?

Who is dis bich?

Let’s take bets, shall we?

Well, that explains everything.

Well, that explains everything.

Her message is Don’t listen to stupid women – unless they’re me.

She’s jealous of the women who actually get hit on, regardless of the danger involved. No wonder she hates feminists. Narcissism of small differences, isn’t it?

Spot the difference.

Spot the difference.

We have a self-hating women vying for male attention by insulting herself like a male feminist/self-hating beta and a man-hating woman who wants to fuck men out of revenge by taking their own money to make it possible.

“I’m on Instagram because of peer pressure” reads her Instagram bio.
Yes, her politics are informed by similar concerns.

She is living proof that she is wrong but sees no contradiction.

Women don’t think like me. aka I’m special. You’re a woman. Technically. Proving women can and do, in fact, have differing opinions. Like men. I’m careful to say feminist when I mean feminist, not woman. It’s silly to assume someone always takes a position for sexual attention (like White Knighting) as if there are opinions you can’t hold for logical reasons, but in this case…

Why do I think she’s attention-seeking for her career?
Well before, a few years ago, she was covering such important political topics as milk.

http://townhall.com/columnists/asheschow/2012/08/13/when_did_milk_become_bad_for_you

I will refrain from the obvious joke about guzzling approval.

She also cosplays. According to search engines.

I wonder, if a Muslim were to harass her in this costume, whether she’d be asking for it?

Tbf, she denies it. I doubt that’s her arse neither. Otherwise she’d know about harassment firsthand.

Whatever, point still stands. If that was her in the picture, feel free to harass her whatever she is wearing or doing or even if she asks you to stop, because women are never legitimately the victims of bad men since feminists exist.

All men are good and would never harass, stalk or rape women!
Ignore those pesky crime data reports!

That isn’t just as retarded as the All Victim narrative!
No Victims, heard it here first.

*http://metro.co.uk/2015/06/06/this-is-what-happened-when-a-woman-catcall-men-5233425/
They only included the ones in this reel where men liked it. Try it in real life. Ask random men to smile in the street and watch their Wow you creep reaction. Whoever does it. Have a load of regular feminists go up to men and paw at them, building kino. I said if they wanted to ruin Roosh V, they’d follow him around copying him. Forever. And distribute his step-by-steps in public flyers. Well, if it’s legal and morally acceptable, no problem right? So they can’t complain when other men hit on them because that’s misandrist. Men get to hit on whoever they want, including other men. Watch what happens when we take the brakes off gay rapists.

harassment

No, that is exactly what men do nowadays. They call it banter or lad culture, it isn’t. They walk up to women and speak like that, like they’re in porn. I find recording them makes them go away because they know there’s something to be ashamed of. This law is supposed to make them confine that stuff to anonymous internet comments where it’s less likely to escalate and easier to prove. Young men talking the way rappers only used to get away with in music videos.

It’s an American expectation based on tipping culture, antidepressant culture with pills to make you smiley and the power dynamic of servers. A random woman in the street is not angling for a tip, any tip. A neutral expression is not sad. I once heard a model describe it thus when recounting one instance, “No, I won’t smile at you because I’m not serving you. In fact, I’m better than you because you need my approval and you’ll never have it.”
If women don’t smile at you, maybe you’re the reason?

Any random person talking to you in public is weird. Doesn’t need to be sexual.

http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/society/northerner-terrorised-london-by-saying-hello-20151001102473

the world is not America
women do need protection, that isn’t saying men do not
also, women need a labour ward, is this sexist?

these people are still crying sexism for any acknowledgement of differences but also trying to argue the feminist crying is wrong because logic and differences? Idiots.

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