Possible motive and secret history

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gilles_de_Rais#Occult_involvement
And that P family link.

“As no demon manifested after three tries, the Marshal grew frustrated with the lack of results. Prelati responded that the demon Barron was angry and required the offering of parts of a child. De Rais provided these remnants in a glass vessel at a future evocation. All of this was to no avail, and the occult experiments left him bitter and with his wealth severely depleted.”

It is a mistake that Americans only look at modern murderers.
It has all the hallmarks – French, rich, using courtly manners (fame, glib charm) to use kids in occult rituals.

“[The boy] was pampered and dressed in better clothes than he had ever known. The evening began with a large meal and heavy drinking, particularly hippocras, which acted as a stimulant. The boy was then taken to an upper room to which only Gilles and his immediate circle were admitted. There he was confronted with the true nature of his situation. The shock thus produced on the boy was an initial source of pleasure for Gilles.”

Why hasn’t there been a film?
This gets very dark, though.
Yet it’s on wikipedia.

Deliberate choice somewhere.

“Poitou further testified that Rais sometimes abused the victims (whether boys or girls) before wounding them and at other times after the victim had been slashed in the throat or decapitated. According to Poitou, Rais disdained the victim’s sexual organs, and took “infinitely more pleasure in debauching himself in this manner … than in using their natural orifice, in the normal manner.”

If that isn’t a sexual sadist.

Yet the DSM refuses to include it (because psychiatric prisons don’t grant easy parole – they may be sick but they aren’t thick).

“very often when the children were dying he sat on their stomachs and took pleasure in seeing them die and laughed”

He doesn’t say where he learned this, implying it was… in the family.
People like that confess what made them like that.
Then confessing would logically spare his relatives from being suspected.

“After Rais admitted to the charges on 21 October,[39] the court canceled a plan to torture him into confessing.”

Shame. Nobody is as frightened of pain as a sadist.

“said to be so lurid that the judges ordered the worst portions to be stricken from the record.”

Thanks, from future historians.

It allows creeps to continue doing this stuff (enables) because nobody believes (appeal to incredulity) it ever happened in history… because where’s the official court record?

“The number of murders is generally placed between 80 and 200; a few have conjectured numbers upwards of 600. The victims ranged in age from six to eighteen and included both sexes, but were predominantly boys.”

One man, really? With power yes, but only one partaking?

Bathory is famous for hardly any, if you look into it.

Considering his MO of preference with boys, who wanted the girls?

For those wondering, boys were easier to get hold of, more gullible (taught men wouldn’t target them that way based on incredulity and a just world fallacy) and less likely to be missed when missing and presumed to have run away. Yes, it’s sexist. Classism is another thing they predate on, e.g. a famous person distracting the other from their gut with that fame or a hungry man offering a poor girl food.

“Writers such as secret-societies specialist Jean-Pierre Bayard, in his book Plaidoyer pour Gilles de Rais, contend he was a victim of the Inquisition.”

French book, eh?

He could have been innocent and conspired against by a cult, he could have been covering for a cult.

Here’s where it gets interesting, I knew this name from books and this is what’s been scratching at my brain hoping I’d remember.

In 1992, Freemason Jean-Yves Goëau-Brissonnière, the Grand Master of the Grand Lodge of France, organized a self-proclaimed “court” consisting of former French ministers, parliament members and UNESCO experts to re-examine the source material and evidence available at the medieval trial. A team of lawyers, writers and politicians led by Gilbert Prouteau and presided over by Judge Henri Juramy found him not guilty, although none of the initiators was a medieval historian by profession. In addition, none of them sought professional advice from certified medievalists”

I knew it. A French person first told me about him and how, in France, he’s a semi-mythic figure.

“The hearing, which concluded Gilles de Rais was not guilty of the crimes, was partially turned into a fictionalized biography called Gilles de Rais ou la Gueule du loup, narrated by the writer Gilbert Prouteau. “The case for Gilles de Rais’s innocence is very strong”, Prouteau said. “No child’s corpse was ever found at his castle at Tiffauges and he appears to have confessed to escape excommunication … The accusations appear to be false charges made up by powerful rival lords to benefit from the confiscation of his lands.”[65]

Well, did those lords kill the missing kids/teens then? Begging the Q.

The ol’ jealousy plea, typical of liars.

However, the journalist Gilbert Philippe from the newspaper Ouest-France said that Prouteau was being “facetious and provocative”.[66] He also claimed that Prouteau thought the retrial was basically “an absolute joke”. Historians continue to believe him guilty of the crimes, mainly differing as to his motivation.”

Who writes history again?

I wonder if any famous creeps have a painting of him in their mansion? That would seal it.
Now I’m starting to wonder if his ally Joan of Arc was actually a witch, as was considered at the time. Big if true.

Remember, those who read history, that the French used to use their own ancestor’s fallen soldier skeletons abandoned in fields as fertilizer, literally dig up the bones and grind them down and sell them to make food people eat. French people are weird, English paranoia is just. It isn’t just frogs’ legs.

I remember this Frenchman telling me how, in his research, he found it “odd” that Versailles was founded on a hunting …lodge.

In modern terms, it’s like buying an island. I would look at Versailles’s structure and ownership to look for clues but that would take years.

And why are Mason’s lodges called lodges? It’s a specific hunting term.

The Sun King is chock full of symbolism alone, there are whole books.

It’s like how Caesar might’ve survived if he’d kept it in his toga. The most famous bisexual nobody ever brings up in that context.

3 responses to “Possible motive and secret history

  1. To be sure, Jean-Pierre Bayard was a freemason himself. But do read Jacques Heers biography – he was a specialist of medieval history, as well as Georges Bataille’s write-up of the trial.

  2. “I wonder if any famous creeps have a painting of him in their mansion? That would seal it.
    Now I’m starting to wonder if his ally Joan of Arc was actually a witch, as was considered at the time. Big if true.”

    So a woman who claimed to hear the voice of God, a Crusader icon, was really the anti-Christ all along? Didn’t pro-English Frenchmen kill her? I guess she needs her sainthood taken away.

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