Link: Manosphere sour grapes

As other people mature and move on with their lives, there will always be people thinking they’re perma-18.

They are the creepers.

Manosphere sour grapes

I wondered why so many of those otherwise rational types* were single.

*Not the majority online.

Then I saw a video titled “Never date a girl older than 25”.

Like they have a choice?

Like those “girls” want them?

They think the world is a Lynx advert.

It’s about control, at least be honest. They’re impressed you have a car and went backpacking. You wanna be the cool one. They’ll put up with games because they’re still practically a child (brain).

What about when they hit 25? Ugh, r-types.

YOU CANNOT SIGNAL A STATUS YOU DO NOT HAVE.

IT DOES NOT WORK.

PSA.

Like all of women’s evolved circuits can be over-ridden by a well-written Tindr profile.

If you have to lie about your life, stop lying and fix it before surrounding yourself with more lies.

The big thing that attracts women is stability? Too beta? OK, be happy to die alone.

Or, don’t be shocked when you only attract the same quality level you are.

If you want to be too fussy to date a chubby, when those are the only women in your US area and level, then be fine with being alone. No gripes, it’s your choice. That is the red pill reality.

If you don’t need women, this shouldn’t matter.

They complain about reality e.g. she cares about my looks as much as I care about hers! while also claiming they want more, harsher realities.

Son, you can’t survive NOW.

The easiest society in HUMAN HISTORY. They fail at life.

It’s like how the chubby kid with a cheap katana begging for a zombie apocalypse wouldn’t last 15 minutes of running. Women can see this. Delusion is creepy. It’s also creepy in dumpy ghetto trash who thinks she can get a famous rapper. Men ignore them too. Class is the thing Americans never discuss.

The world won’t re-arrange itself to help you, this isn’t the Secret.

If they managed to luck into gaining a classy date, they’d find fault (avoidant attachment) or screw it up (cheating, abandonment). They’re just fuck-ups.

They do it in career too.

Most who go there and stay for years and years are jerks and become self-sabotaging jerks. Karma. The same life plan won’t work years later. You need to evolve.

Consider their percentage of a population, <0.1%. There’s just something wrong with a lot of them, statistically. They’re the dregs who would’ve died in a war. Since we have no war, it’s like the Indian men acting up.

They won’t go to a therapist so they don’t actually care about their own happiness.

Why should we?

Other men manage it. Other men can be happy. Stop taking marriage advice from men who hate women and hate marriage, for starters? #commonsense

Another thing, a man who never wants to marry, is useless to a woman who does. And wants to have kids and do the whole thing. Useless. Another big reason they’re rejected. Maybe a phobia, maybe something else.

Outbreeding depression

There need to be more studies on this but I know scientists are busy with buttered toast experiments and rating their own farts.

This is the genetic thing you never hear about, despite everyone and their purebred* dog knowing about inbreeding depression.
Hybrid vigour doesn’t even apply to modern wheat.

And hybrid is misused.

I saw this explanation:

A hybrid is a cross between two closely related strains such as an Arab and a Jew or a Swede and a Spaniard. A mongrel is a cross between different races such as a Mulatto, a Mestizo, a Eurasian, etc.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/B9780123847195000733

Positive outbreeding studies are conducted on flies.
https://link.springer.com/article/10.1023/A:1024081416729

…I don’t even, insects are already heavily inbred by default so outbreeding isn’t really possible.

Outbreeding depression is more of an issue than inbreeding (some inbreeding is good for a gene pool, the most fertile and healthy couple combinations and normal historically), which is fixed by breaking the pattern for a few generations. However, you cannot undo outbreeding depression in part due to its novelty. It’s easy to add, impossible to take away.
http://www.vortex10.org/Lacy/Reprints/FrankhamConsBiol2011.pdf

Actually it’s the combination of genes that makes the organism unfit.
(The fact of lower parental singular quality aside, two mutts won’t make a prize dog).

Its ideal environment doesn’t exist. In any other environment, it’s defective.
In the race for life, they’re disabled. It’s like mixing wines, they lose their distinctive character but other examples haven’t. In a competition…

Easy example:

One nose selection gene for cold weather, one selection for hot.
Result: poorly adapted child for either.

*They care about the dog’s bloodline more than their grandkids, who will hate their guts.

It’s impossible to impress the insecure

I was thinking about why women don’t feel socially safe looking feminine when I thought back to all the personal attacks a woman suffers for dressing-up from men who feel insecure (less able to acquire her, like furniture).

If you have standards, they’re too much (despite being totally personal). “High maintenance” like adults are meant to be anything else. What’s the male version? Is a man wearing a suit desperate for attention? Should we change the female uniform code so women don’t have to dress “sexy” (this I would accept).

Make up your minds.

If you don’t have standards, there is also something wrong with you. “Lazy, sloppy, let herself go.” According to what societal standard, they don’t exist. If it’s legal to dress a certain way, socially we agreed to let it slide with the hippies.

Do they want clothing laws brought in? Would they magically want exemption? It’s a weird kinda controlling like every woman is their wife and they have the right to look a certain way near her in public (….no). A woman you aren’t married to does not represent you (narcissists think this). They feel entitled to control people they aren’t even related to purely on the basis of sex. Hence, what they want changes, to see how high you’ll jump for them. This isn’t porn, you don’t get to choreograph how everything looks. It’s real life, women should be telling them to fuck off but they fear being hit. Instead we give them a disgusted look and hope they learn (they don’t, they just wanted a snippet of attention, however negative).

It’s a catch 22. Were it safe to show secondary characteristics (say, expensively tailored 50s dresses) women would still fear the verbal abuse from the men who claim they want a woman to look “good”.

The thot thing was a great example of how demented men can project anything they like onto a woman via her appearance. Imagine if we did it to men – oh, he is wearing a hoodie so he’ll never make anything of himself.

They say we rely too much on magazines (most don’t read) yet expect women to dress “sexy, but not pornographic” as one male friend puzzling over it, put it. “Yeah...that doesn’t make sense. Men are just instincts until they think about it. That isn’t consistent – at all – but it feels right.” They feel entitled to a certain visual display (Postmodern Lie, men display sexually like a peacock, females select in evolution) and presume it’s all for them, the object woman must want (personal) attention (if we did, we’d come up to you and talk) but that a woman’s appearance should entice ..but not be distracting. That is literally impossible.

It’s mutually exclusive to say, look casual but like you made an effort, to look cute but also sexy. It’s magazine rhetoric, funnily enough. Men fall for it more than women, being more visual. They think it’s possible deep down and get frustrated with women for not performing. (The times I wear dresses and heels, men whine it’s impractical, literally, we think why do we even bother). And a lot of the way a woman looks, we have no control over. Some women are naturally neither, it’s about features. Some women can only look cute and sexy doesn’t work if they try (the ones men tend to insult as slutty, they aren’t but they’re “trying too hard” so the male brain codes “for me, male” = slut, because they’re insecure and assume only a slut would want their notice) but some women can’t help looking sexy, (same with men, it’s natural dimorphism, they don’t have to try) whether it’s cup size or the way they walk (height, build, bones in men). The maliciousness of envy haunts these people, it’s a sick society of mediocre bitches. Being good-looking (and god forbid, not trying to hide it) is not a sin. It’s the classic model who fears people looking at them. Why should they wear clothes that don’t fit and give them injuries (really, they do, it’s biomechanical stress)? Why shame women like there’s something wrong with the way God made them? What’s wrong with women? No wonder so many dress like men! (Or men like shit). Or look fat deliberately so men don’t see them. (Or wear layers to look fat). To drop off the radar where you’re a (insult) if you try and a (insult) if you don’t , at any particular event or time. This isn’t like pets on parade. It’s maddening to try and explain this past men’s egotism (sometimes women’s) and intellectualizations caused by it.

If someone enjoys looking healthy, let them!

And every man’s line of Thing is different so were it possible to please ONE man all the rest would still hassle us. More this, less that, STFU.

It’s like something out of Harrison Bergeron. So many men have become SJWs thought-policing how women look and even WALK. “Too much wiggle” one friend was told! Pelvic width isn’t a fucking choice!

Women have so much in this species we can barely walk!

Women also get told we’re sticking out our chest when we have correct posture. WTF.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2333161/Men-judged-say-women-employed-looks-says-Clare-Balding-hits-gender-divide-TV.html

“Men are judged on what they say while women are employed for their looks”

I bet you before decrying that line as false, the very men I’m referencing will look up photos of what she looks like before weighing the merit of her argument. Studies back her up, job applicants are judged more on looks in women and more on words in men. A man’s word literally means more.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-3388287/Women-judged-appearance-job-hunting-Employers-sexes-rate-women-photos-judge-men-words-application.html

It’s easier to lie than get a face transplant. Women would rather choose the male’s bias criterion.

This nails it.

http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/society/oh-just-fk-off-say-women-20180125143116

Rachel Williams, a female from Kent, explained: “Apparently, if you have a vagina people think they have the right to judge you on every single thing you do . Even your actual vagina.

OK, hypothetically we should look like adults. And children shouldn’t.

Why aren’t men held to comparable standards? Where’s the t-shirt shaming brigade?

What happened to the Biblical judge not lest ye be judged? There is no societal standard because it’s only half the population, that isn’t a standard. This won’t distract us from the hypocrisy of men dreading the day standards return.

Imagine if we insisted all men looked tall. That one feature. Men would howl. Well, many women aren’t naturally curvy, you’re probably thinking of plastic surgery curves. I have to keep telling men, you can stand up straight around me if you want, I won’t insult you for it. They instantly perk up. The naturally attractive ones have got it in the neck so long they slump to avoid further persecution. Think of the neck pain.

Back to this one particular man in my life, he nailed part of his psyche.

It has nothing to do with you but it boosts your mood to see a pretty face, a nice body.”

“Endorphins or some shit.” bless

“This is going to sound terrible but when we see a woman who looks good, we instantly think – she’d look good with us. I feel like a selfish prick saying that but it’s true. It’s the mystery, maybe? It’s easy to forget she might not be interested if we’re really emotionally invested in that picture in our heads, normally showing off to our mates.”

There is no polite way to reject a narcissist. Ask a bartender.

There’s an element of using women as status symbols. Badges of attractiveness. Sounds like a pedestal.

“The same man can be secure or insecure at different times. Even if there’s nothing actually wrong with us. We’re always a little insecure around women we personally feel are attractive. To us. We tell ourselves it makes us braver but looking back there’s the odds of feeling like you need the ground to swallow you up because you acted up and now it just makes you cringe, long after that person forgot you. It’s a learning experience, I know women have something like it but there’s a pressure. Men have a stronger memory for rejection, I think but most of us get over it and feel it isn’t personal.”

As they learn more about the individual women, they project less onto her. That’s how crushes can die.

Back to the pathological ones.

It’s a cruel burden to place on women. Look good for me and nobody else but me – in public. How the fuck does that work, in practice? Anyone? And if we catch on and don’t appease them, out trot the ad hominems. Verbal harassment is illegal but they never expect to be held accountable for the way they target women, it’s a niche social predation. They get a thrill from ego-bashing. It’s nothing to do with the woman or a nebulous intellectual concept like standards. They want to attack someone vulnerable compared to them, it is bullying.

It’s treated like a character flaw, entirely unrelated to behavior (which at least has an argument for character alas, hypocrisy looms again). Individual women don’t choose the fashions of our time, gay men do. We work with it e.g. hemlines.

Shit post deserves shit graphic.

There are two kinds of the wrong kind of attention: physical predation and bullying.

Make up your mind guys. Men never used to be allowed to comment specifically on a woman’s appearance. Notice how they looked better? Men don’t even know what they want.

The absolute worst part is the interrogation that younger men now think is their right. You wouldn’t hear Tim Gunn trying to beat down women for what they wear or how much time they spend on their appearance. And that’s his job! If you watch these gay guys, the pros are actually very professional and helpful. If you’re going to be judgmental, at least be a pro about it?

Meanwhile, it’s rather common to hear accusatory trap questions like “how long did you spend on your hair?”

If women look like shit, it’s men’s fault. If they punish us emotionally (women are more sensitive, they know this) then it’s no wonder they give up with natural self-expression. Women don’t dress well for sexual attention. That’s projection. It’s why men dress well and make an extra effort. The world is not a date. Women don’t even feel comfortable looking sexy/too sexy on a date because it isn’t authentic to their normal self. Men make us neurotic, I’ve heard it. Women just like feeling that way, we dress well around the house or when going out to see friends.

Looking the part can also be a marker of respect, women dressing up for one another is respectful. The guys who complain about the women who are deliberately dressing like shit in revenge (normally fashion setters) are chalked up as success. Good, he feels disrespected, the little bitch. They don’t want the attention. Why wear a dress if a creepy guy you know is going to feel entitled to openly comment on your legs? You can’t help having legs.

“Tights cover up too much they aren’t sexy. Oh, but some tights are too sexy….”

We cannot win. We wear what we like at this point. Same as men.

If only men took more pride in their own appearance, they’d understand the importance of presentation. It shows your values system e.g. short to high heels – productivity versus artistry. Women in clubs aren’t really thinking about men, they’re thinking about dancing and looking good in photos. The reason for being there.

Men really do assume on this that the world revolves around them (average men of no accomplishment) and when women respond to the dis-incentives, they cry like babies about it.

If you habitually ask women what they weigh, they’ll start to swaddle up their body in so many layers you stop asking. Men can be so rude nowadays. Hot men on the Tube also cover up to avoid comments and being groped! If you ask the rude ugly ones the same things, they get defensive but in a hostile way. “What are you implying?” I heard one say to a friend. Well, he was trying to neg her into looking vain, random man who approached her based on her looks. They look like morons. …Insulting someone doesn’t make them like you, it’s all so transparent. Negging someone codes in female emotional intelligence as = I feel you’re superior to me, here’s some reverse psychology. Men are not the Svengali masterminds over women they believe. A woman who likes them will pretend it works, humour them like a child. I don’t care if those ones end up alone but there is a general trend of sneering at people for following too much fashion or not enough or merely dressing WELL. The opinions of normies and conformies is a degenerate model. Gotta point that out.

They’re walking brand advertising. Sometimes they tell you you should be wearing certain clothes and not the brand you look good in. Straight men can’t do fashion 9/10.

Look up all the clips of these buffoons mansplaining to Gordon Ramsey that he can’t cook. Go ahead. See how many you can tolerate. Arrogance is a hideous quality in either sex. Leave them to it. What do you care if they look like shit, it’s their life to ruin?

They treat other human beings like Barbies. Wear this, do that, don’t say that. Just like SJWs. They don’t explain that something is important to the genuinely naive and ask them to consider it. They are disrespectful. Women are being put off both SJWs and them. People are individuals. If people run blogs saying the opposite of me I don’t give a fuck.

Men are suddenly noticing the douchebag epidemic (used to hiding behind a screen where you literally can’t punch them) because the cancer is spreading to themselves.

“You have no right to criticize me” this man had heard, when he turned back an accusation of looking a certain way back on the d-bag. Self-awareness of a turnip. I’m sure there are obscure bullshit explanations you can pay for of what the prick was trying to do, maybe some crap about an AMOG when this lovely, charming, handsome man was quietly minding his own in a pub but human social groups respond well to cooperation. Poaching people is a sign you suck, you shouldn’t need to do that.

Stop fronting like you want a fight when you’d cry like a bitch not to get hit. These “little shits” acting like Scrappy Doo must represent a lot of the male death statistics from stupid life decisions. Keep bullying people and you’ll eventually hit on the ones who’d kill you for it. Life isn’t a movie, you are not Tyler.

(Handsome men aren’t all pricks, contrary to popular belief. In fact, they’re uncommonly nice. They don’t have to act all tough because they don’t feel lacking and they want women to know their personality. Ugly people often lie about how the good-looking ones – naturally- are often the complete package. They’re fault-finding in imaginary lands. The douchebags calling all loved-up men jerks who don’t appreciate women, where his version of ‘appreciate’ is using them as cum dumpsters.)

Someone else can make this into a graphic.

Woman likes nice, ugly man. D-bag says: he must be rich/what a cuck.
Woman likes handsome, nice man. D-bag says: he’s a jerk/she’s shallow.

You cannot impress insecure people because they are deluded. Reality offends them.

Woman hates man who treats her like shit. D-bag calls her a feminist cunt.
Woman hates man who is rude and immature. D-bag says she is in denial… or can’t handle him. ….Neither can men. He’s too cool. It’s his curse.

Insecure man and insecure woman like each other. D-bag thinks this is normal and how men and women have always interacted. Life is hopeless. Never change.

That is the sort of crap I oppose. It’s good for nobody.

Women since the dawn of time only had bitchy comments from other women. Nowadays, men are the prime bitches. Result? Nobody is attractive.

There’s also an anti-white component to it. I’ve never heard a white man who did this start on a non-white woman, especially an Asian, who they praise for the same things. Men seem to be enforcing a visible androgyny on white women, shaming us about literally making the average effort that is expected of mature adults. It’s really creepy to us. Why should his, one random guy’s, personal (sexual) tastes have any bearing on the way we are (gender is psychological) and what’s wrong with looking what we are (female)? Young men are literally talking down to women like they’re our fathers but overbearing and anti-feminine.

What’s going on?

They hate seeing happy people when they aren’t. If they can’t get involved (to drain you emotionally), they do the spiteful ego version of smashing up your sandcastle.

Then wonder why they’re lonely. Seriously?????

The most common sense explanation beside stalkers and rapists for catcalling? The way we look has nothing to do with them, we aren’t pieces of meat at market, it’s a human living their life rather than sitting around bored and angry in a ruminating comparison match. At times, it’s just low class men trying to get noticed by a woman who takes care of herself. If we could physically defend ourselves legally, the lip would stop. Men don’t go round telling one another to smile. It’s either polite chosen recognition (professional, friendly) or a personal, sexual signal. To try and control someone’s body like that, the foot-in-the-door domination of it, you might as well ask them to get on their knees. Translated power dynamic: Put your life on hold to do something that will satisfy me, go out of your way for a stranger. You can’t win. If you do it, they might take the forced signal as sexual interest in desperate delusion, if you don’t, they insult you for being normal and they’ve wasted your time on petty mind games. Get a life. In reality, some people won’t smile at you, macho man. They’re not the ones with issues. Men would seem gay if they tried to police one another like that, forcing a sexual power dynamic on an unsuspecting person. (Gay men do this to other men so don’t tell me I’m imagining it, it’s a key reason straights are freaked out. Being treated the way they treat women.)

Oh, you’re not interested, really? Maybe you’re being coy and secretly very, very gay…

Maybe you’re playing hard to get…. so we can ignore your No. You aren’t so much a person as an object of lust.

Homophobia: rape culture isn’t real unless a man wolf whistles me.

People are not all friends, this isn’t an episode of fucking Barney. We have every right to hate you but we don’t hate men. We hate bitches. If you hate yourself and that’s why you’re insecure, see a shrink.

Early marriage and breeding bad for families

https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fpubh.2017.00269/full
Well, duh, says every K-type.
“high rates of morbidity and mortality”
Darwin wins.
As I said before, minors are not fully mature. This is about the 20s, when peak health occurs in both sexes.
You marry and breed in the 20s like most civilized societies. Either parent should be self-reliant in case one dies.
Of course, creepy men don’t really care about the women, they like the idea of the youngest wife legally allowed. Don’t hold out hope for SE Asia. Those who think with their dicks will fall into the sea eventually.

The West and military uniforms

A man claiming any authority over other men/women, who has not fulfilled his rite of passage (military service) is still a boy. He has no authority even within his family, it isn’t something you’re born with or earn by surviving to a certain age. They had many many hoops  to jump through. We could go back to Biblical standards but most of the guys demanding this refuse the draft like cowardly little hippies. This is the fundamental sex difference. Valour.

If women are women, and men are men, the draft comes back. That is it.

Women can only keep the homes fire burning, if men are protecting the house.

Instead of wearing skirts, our men go shirtless. This is barbaric. It’s The Beautiful Ones. A century ago they’d have been arrested and considering it shows more flesh inch for inch than the sluttiest* women, you can’t say it would be  undeserved.

Modesty starts with the men.

They show off but make it easy to run away. The useless muscles of fake masculinity put most women off. Having real skills is the real reason women developed a slight preference in the first place. A man who is afraid to break a sweat is lower than any woman (hours worked does not equal taxable hours). The idea that a woman has been instantly inferior to a man by virtue of birth is completely wrong, it’s something dopey Americans say to console themselves about their uselessness. It has never been true in history and I keep asking them, where is your proof but they’ve got nothing. Oh, maybe a quote from a bitter bachelor. Not proof. They have nothing.

It’s always lower-class men insulting higher women too, notice that. Inferiority in men is hallmarked by a hatred of all the women he could never impress.

In their actions they do not shame the cheap sluts, they bemoan the “frigid bitches” and “prudes”, like not being a whore is meant to be an insult? That is your mice experiment, right there. No respect for wife and mother material, special snowflake entitlement to exception. In another moment, where have all the good women gone?

Well, you called them cunts for having self-respect. Away from you, the sluts.

Race, class, sexuality, sex. That is the order of things that matter historically in descending order. Stupid Americans are laughed at because they ignore class (which is not money). Your classless society was destined to fail!

*not that conformism with the present age makes a woman a slut, which is an issue

maxi skirts are an attempt to reduce catcalls but pencil skirts are office mandated

as are bras and makeup

In pagan societies, they’d bathe together and flash one another as a show of sexual power. Non-pagan societies should strictly dictate how much flesh is shown by anyone, because sexual immorality follows.