It is weird there’s a high-functioning category of a developmental disability.
You’d think that’s physically impossible if you, you know, have logic. Either you’re disabled or you aren’t.
Title for SEO.
I won’t even say anything, really, I’ll just link to some chew.
Note: Aspergers no longer exists in America. It is no longer clinically recognized in the DSM, stripped of its own category status in the Fifth Edition into NOS, a misc. category. Suck on that first.
A personality disorder would befit the high-functioning section, but the low-functioning would still classify as autism. It fits with features of NPD, BPD and ASPD.
We need studies on this.
Can we double-blind it and still distinguish the two?
Adolescents with ASD show high rates of callous–unemotional traits but, unlike in the general population, these are not strongly associated with conduct problems.
Google “successful sociopaths”
Individuals with ASD have difficulty recognising emotions2 (although see Jones et al3) and understanding the mental states of others, also known as theory of mind,4 both of which are thought to contribute to problems in social functioning. Executive dysfunction is also reported in individuals with ASD, and may underlie restrictive and repetitive symptoms. Impairments occur on tasks of planning, response selection/monitoring and inhibition of pre-potent response in children5and adolescents,6 as well as reduced cognitive flexibility.7 With regard to common coexisting behavioural problems, individuals with ASD are at higher risk of co-occurring psychopathology.8–10Individuals with ASD display increased antisocial and aggressive behaviour as children11 and oppositional defiant disorder as adolescents
can’t recognize emotions in faces
repetition because they can’t learn from experience
“Mental rigidity or thought addiction to rational thinking” – The Mask of Sanity, by Hervey Cleckley, one of psychopathy’s 16 qualities.
high risk of pathology
antisocial and aggressive as children
acting up as teens
^things common to psychopaths
The explanatory role of attention–deficit hyperactivity disorder (ADHD) symptoms in the association between executive functioning and callous–unemotional traits is not well understood; controlling for ADHD has been reported to eradicate the relationship between executive functioning and delinquency in adolescents.
So there’s also a link from ADHD diagnosis and minors behaving like criminals.
Otherwise that’s a downright magical disappearing act. Jesus-tier.
Individuals with ASD and those with callous–unemotional traits can sometimes present similarly, at least on a superficial level, yet this may be as a result of different aetiological processes. Despite phenotypic similarity, twin studies report largely independent genetic influences (an overlap of 0.43) on autistic and psychopathic traits
And 0.43 is a moderately strong correlation!
Remember, this is ASD, not just Aspergers.
These studies suggest that some individuals with ASD also show callous–unemotional traits, perhaps as a result of a ‘double-hit’, with the emotional processes implicated in callous–unemotional being affected, in addition to the social cognitive difficulties typically present in individuals with ASD (for example theory of mind impairment). However, whether these findings hold in larger, population-based samples remains unexplored.
We test whether the strong association
wait wait wait
What happened to the blithe ‘largely independent’?
between these traits and conduct problems reported in the general population also applies to those with ASD, and describe additional psychiatric symptoms associated with callous–unemotional traits. Finally, we test whether a specific impairment in fear recognition is associated with callous–unemotional traits, as in non-ASD populations, and explore whether these traits are associated with difficulties in theory of mind and cognitive functioning.
Down to academic Hell.
There are two possible explanations for the remarkably high prevalence of callous–unemotional traits in our sample of adolescents with ASD.
Option 3 – you’re a filthy liar?
The dissociation of callous–unemotional from conduct problems in ASD may indicate a different cognitive underpinning. Alternatively, the sociocognitive difficulties associated with ASD may lead to reduced exposure to peers and prevent individuals from engaging in the more socialised and peer-related aspects of conduct-disordered behaviour.
Things that also apply to sociopaths for $100.
Clinicians have been concerned that some people with ASD appear to show high levels of callous–unemotional traits and the present study supports this clinical impression for a subset of individuals…. Parents, caregivers and other people working with individuals with ASD may require specific psychoeducation about these traits, which are often distressing to others but are not necessarily a predictor of antisocial behaviour.
Yeah, they don’t really love you, but it’s fine! They probably won’t attack you. (see bottom)
The clinicians are concerned but the parents should be happy to leave them alone around the knives.
Some children bite themselves and others, and hit other children and their parents with such violence they have broken bones.
autism speaks, but it also punches
- avoidant personality disorder
- antisocial personality disorder
- borderline personality disorder
- narcissistic personality disorder…
Only a few studies to date have addressed the question of how late-diagnosed AS can be distinguished from its psychiatric comorbidities and differential diagnoses
Persons with AS are often highly educated and capable of living independently, yet half are unemployed and have a low socioeconomic status.
If I switched AS with psychopathy, it would fit better.
The differential diagnosis of AS includes schizoid, obsessive-compulsive, and avoidant personality disorders.
Back to the repetition common to all of these.
Psychopaths love repeating stuff too.
The findings provide preliminary evidence suggesting potential contributions of frontotemporal structural deficits in neurocognitive impairment with perseveration in individuals with psychopathy.
The mean volume difference in combined grey matter deficit regions between Asperger’s and control groups was 16% (P < 0.001). No areas of excess grey matter volume were noted in people with Asperger’s syndrome.
White matter deficits in subjects with Asperger’s syndrome were also extensive, but appeared to be concentrated in the left hemisphere (Fig. 3). The deficits extended fronto‐temporally,
“frontotemporal structural deficits in neurocognitive impairment with… psychopathy”
Back to the high-functioning IQ bullshit
Deficits in working memory are central to many theories of psychopathology, and are generally linked to frontal-lobe dysfunction. This article will review neuropsychological and (functional) brain imaging studies on working memory in adolescents with ASD. Although still disputed, it is concluded that within the working memory system specific problems of spatial working memory are often seen in adolescents with ASD. These problems increase when information is more complex and greater demands on working memory are made.
The most complex demand is an IQ test.
Connection? Widely known.
Furthermore, the reliable relationship between WM capacity and fluid intelligence was exclusively supported by the number factor (r = .66), while the resolution factor made no reliable contribution (r = −.05). Thus, the relationship between WM capacity and standard measures of fluid intelligence is mediated by the number of representations that can be simultaneously maintained in WM rather than by the precision of those representations.
Trans. obsession (resolution) counts for nothing.
The high-functioning part is not IQ, it is the ability to live alone and work.
As in, not be functionally disabled.
Back to Aspergers and personality disorders.
If we study it directly –
Fifty-four young adults with a clinical diagnosis of Asperger syndrome were assessed with Structured Clinical Interview for DSM-IV Axis II disorders to evaluate the presence of a concomitant personality disorder and completed the Autism Spectrum Quotient to measure level of autistic features. Autism spectrum diagnosis was confirmed by Diagnostic Interview for Social and Communication Disorders with a collateral informant. Approximately half of the study group fulfilled criteria for a personality disorder, all belonging to cluster A or C.
Next control for malingering because
Participants fulfilling criteria for a personality disorder showed more marked autistic features according to the Autism Spectrum Quotient.
That is highly unlikely.
Similar to ASC, BPD patients have elevated autistic traits and a strong drive to systemize, suggesting an overlap between BPD and ASC.
I am shocked.
Article over for titular purposes. Stay after dark if you’re hardcore.
Warning: this is random and only partially serious. The data is real.
Magical mystery p-value tour!
Onto murder! The ultimate in violence!
Reporters are saying the killer had Asperger’s Syndrome, a form of autism. Every time a news story does that – by tying “killer” and “Asperger’s” in the same sentence – they are at some level implying that there is a connection between autism and mass murder.
Statisticians have a phrase for this situation: Correlation does not imply causation.
Like Prozac suicides? Thanks, guy with Aspergers, for telling us objectively how safe you are.
http://www.autism.org.uk/about/what-is/pda.aspx Includes compulsive lying.
Please understand if I don’t take your word for it, it’s like asking a fat person how much they ate.
Let me just google it and see if there’s any news.
Since observational studies count and we need an example.
The murder of a teenage girl by a fellow care home resident obsessed by necrophilia could have been prevented, an inquiry has found.
Yes, direct infusions of lead are very preventative.
Melissa Mathieson, 18, was strangled by Jason Conroy in 2014 at Alexandra House in Bristol, a home supporting people with autistic spectrum disorder.
Conroy, who once tried to strangle a teacher so he could abuse her, planned to drag the teenager’s body back to his room and have sex with her.
He had also attempted to kill his mother by putting a duvet over her head for the same reason.
That’s three victims attempted minimum.
Why are creepy rapists and killers not raising any eyebrows when they’re white? Anyone?
About the statistical significance requirement…
Murderers are crazy and water is wet.
A new study in the journal Aggression and Violent Behavior will likely fuel the debate even more. It found some mass murderers and serial killers have something in common: autism and head injury. Like Lanza, other killers had an inability to connect socially, spoke in flat monotones, and had emotionless features.
Researchers call it the first review of published accounts of what causes people to commit mass murder. They said: “Our findings tentatively indicate that these extreme forms of violence may be a result of a highly complex interaction of biological, psychological and sociological factors and that, potentially, a significant proportion of mass or serial killers may have had neurodevelopmental disorders such as autism spectrum disorder or head injury.”
Since you can’t rehab these people, where is the hangman?
The necrophilia man will be released. Before his 30th birthday.
The director of the United Kingdom’s National Autistic Society’s Centre for Autism reacted to the study with caution. “We would urge people not to jump to conclusions about people with autism and to make judgements about a whole section of society,”
because we want to keep the gravy train a-chugging and we’re completely objective.
Nonetheless, “the findings were surprising,” researcher Allely, who holds a PhD in psychology, said in a phone interview. “There was a higher percentage of autism [among serial killers] than in the general population.”
Maybe don’t blame the meds just yet.
The research examined a population of 239 killers who had murdered at least three people since 1985, when there was a dramatic increase in the recognition of autism. Of that number, 133 of the mass killers did not appear to suffer from any neurological disorder, but a “significant proportion” did: 28 percent had “definite, highly probable or possible” autism, while 21 percent had sustained a “definite or suspected head injury.”
28% is well above the required level of significance.
The irrationality of this paper merits inclusion alone.
How much is it a factor? BUT It isn’t real BUT it could be BUT it is.
There are 73 mass shooting events but there are two events where there is a pair of shooters which meant that 75 mass shooter cases were investigated. This exercise tentatively suggests evidence of ASD in six of 75 included cases (8%) which is about eight times higher when compared to the prevalence of ASD found in the general population worldwide (motherjones.com). The 8% figure for individuals with ASD involved mass killings is a conservative estimate. In addition to the six cases which provide the 8% figure, there were 16 other cases with some indication of ASD. Crucially, ASD may influence, but does not cause, an individual to commit extreme violent acts such as a mass shooting episode.
Influence without a cause people.
That makes complete sense.
I am sold with buttons on.
Nothing to see.
No misdiagnosis, no Siree.
It’s a risk, but don’t be worried.
There’s a built-in excuse that they’re not really stalking you because you’re their “obsessive interest”, don’t be concerned, women.
He didn’t realize when he should not bring up his interest in murder. He might fall into the category of the “incompetent suitor” on the Stalking Risk Profile assessment guide12 – usually harmless but causing genuine concern and requiring limit setting. Legal consequences could follow if the behaviors persist. When given feedback these individuals may be confused, feel frustrated, hurt, or remorseful. Their genuine social naïveté may be apparent to evaluators. In this case the student received ongoing psycho-education and coaching about proper conduct so as to minimize the risk of impulsive outbursts if rebuffed and frustrated, and to reduce the likelihood of others reacting negatively. His progress and conduct continued to be appropriately monitored. A comprehensive risk assessment and explanation to campus officials avoided his being perceived and treated as a potential homicidal stalker.
As a woman, fuck no.
I’m not responsible for some random’s sexual entitlement.
If only we had a technical term for this acknowledged with a link to Aspergers cases.
Homicidal ideation is that term.
“They made the decision to use violence as a means of resolving their issues”
It goes on to discuss premeditation and planning. Nothing like a psychopath, clearly.
That includes discussing murder in slavish detail.
Immediately refer to a trained professional
any student who screens positive
for suicidal or homicidal ideation.
If only we had a study
Five cases of young Italian men with Asperger syndrome and recurrent and extremely violent femicide fantasies are presented. While there is no direct correlation between autism spectrum conditions and violence, as other humans, persons with an autistic condition are capable of committing crimes, including homicide. All five had in common a number of characteristics and behaviors felt to be pathoplastic: All had been bullied, all had been romantically rejected, all were long-standing First Person Shooter (FPS) game players, and all were avid violent pornography consumers.
Wow it’s like the average MGTOW or MRA forum.
I need a study on that.
Because the adequate, mature response to No is murder and necrophilia.
These people are the reason feminists still hold sway over the population.
If they disappeared, there’d be nothing to oppose. People who see you as subhuman because they want to fuck you? Probably not firing on all cylinders themselves.
Psychology is dark and if you disagree and haven’t read enough.
Not respecting the humanity of the person saying No – proves them correct to reject you (you’re unsuitable) and gives First World Feminism something to point at. Congratulations, you’re stupid on multiple levels.
Bitchier than gay men.
Are male narcissists more likely to be misogynistic? A study suggests that heterosexual narcissistic men tended to lash out more often at heterosexual women than any other group (including homosexual men and women). Dr. Keiller (2010), lead author of the study, writes:
The present study suggests that heterosexual men’s narcissism is linked to an adversarial and angry stance toward heterosexual women more than toward other groups. Although narcissists may want to maintain feelings of superiority and power over all people, narcissistic heterosexual men are particularly invested in subordinating heterosexual women.
Of course they can’t cooperate, low empathy. They’re broken so they project it and act out. Projection is aggressive.
- There is an established connection between misogynistic attitudes towards women and homicide against women (Campbell, 1981).
Many male mass murderers have also been shown to have a history of domestic violence against women.
They’d call that training.
It is narcissistic to feel entitled to attention from others, including sexual attention. Stop being a whore.
It is narcissistic (specifically solipsistic) to assume your problem should be (other person’s) problem e.g. Women You Wanna Fuck.
This Venn is oddly irrational from the supposed High IQ overlords. They have no problem rejecting women they don’t want to fuck personally, and expect this is their solemn right to do so – but crudely, harshly and without comeuppance. Because female entitlement is the only problem?
The strangest aspect of these femicide rampages is how they believe it makes their ’cause’ appear worthy.
that line tough to define
Bolded is the stuff they can’t really deny. None of those are prosocial. All of those bolded are evil, as in, they do not occur in a healthy, high-trust society. You have no intellectual philosophy, there is no cause. You don’t even use scientific terms like hypergamy or philosophical solipsism correctly.
We know you’re worthless r-types. Fuck it or kill it or both, we knew. It’s your reason for existence, your raison d’être. How deranged must you be to possibly think that makes you look good? Cavemen were more civilized, we have forensic evidence. You’re not reconnecting with anything. Ancient men weren’t monsters, in sum. What, like women aren’t going to take even more precautions from anyone who vaguely blips on our creepdar? How do you think empathetic people, including normal women, work?
They’ll be more scared – they say on their forums, with the narc’s gleeful thought at another’s suffering.
….Will this result in less sex and a worse reputation or the reverse?
Nobody will ever respect you because you have never ever earned it.
There is no Man Card, you are not auto-worthy of respect because phallic symbol? Freud would’ve laughed you out of the room. It’s individual, it has nothing to do with sex. You earn respect, not your sex for you. That’s such a passive feminine way of looking at it too. More than feminine, effete, it’s perverted femininity. Like the gay pride people who humiliate themselves and still expect you’ll respect them after viewing the assless studded leather chaps in public.
What is going on over there, America? You used to be cool. Now you’re famous for these morons.
You choose to be grandiose and act like a loser (psychopaths are not cool IRL).
You’ll meet their fate.
Bible called it;
The LORD tests the righteous and the wicked, And the one who loves violence His soul hates.
For the one who sows to his own flesh will from the flesh reap corruption
Do not be deceived: God is not mocked, for whatever one sows, that will he also reap.
As I have seen, those who plow iniquity and sow trouble reap the same.
I guess you could call it karma too.
Coddling them is inappropriate, they know what they’re doing and enjoy hurting others, especially wider abstract society. They fully deserve all they get, in that case.
Outsiders get no sympathy.
‘Member hostility in that misogyny list?
The reason they do is that chronic hostility causes both a constriction of the arteries and more blood being pumped to the heart, causing small tears in the arteries. Cholesterol and fat then attach to those tears, which can ultimately cause heart attacks . Chronic hostility also has been linked to long-term elevations in white blood cells, which has been clearly associated with heart disease .
In a fascinating study, researchers followed the health of a group of medical students for 25 years to see if their levels of angry hostility at the beginning of the study could predict their heart disease rates down the road . Incredibly, those participants who were highest in angry hostility at the beginning were 5 times more likely than their laid-back counterparts to have heart disease 25 years later.
Type As are not alpha, they’re just dead.
Social reciprocity outweighs any posturing dominance bullshit.
It’s almost like being selfish is stupid in a social species?
There’s far more evidence for male bias, isn’t there? As in, there is actually evidence, unlike gynocentrism, which clutches at straws with rhetoric and emotional appeal.