Male or female.
The instability (emotional) is the BIG one.
Much like a psychopath, they cannot hold down a (healthy) relationship. Bonds between a couple must be stable.
However, like a codependent, they feel they’re nothing without someone, ANYONE.
Stop and start. Stop and start. Lots of small connections, one night stands.
The typical one night stand (m/f) has a far higher chance of being borderline.
Lashing out at anyone rejecting them, however trivial.
Yep, the angry phone number guys. The occasional woman who gets angry if a random man doesn’t want to fuck her. The entitlement.
Borderlines DO NOT DO rejection. It’s a main trigger.
They have no self to fall back on. Obsessed with self-improvement, no identity though. Constantly trying new things that never seem to work out (think Madonna’s looks). Lots of “bad luck” with the opposite sex. Tendency to idolize others, have idols, especially online. They gain a sense of self via this Other. The stans who can delude themselves into stalking, harassing or raping their idol, dangerous people. A courtship disorder is possible or simple limerence at a distance. Feeling a sense of ownership, viewing other humans as objects or property.
Vengeful, rage tantrums, can attempt to justify abuse with some imagined or minor slight.
“You provoked me” or “you made me hurt you” or “why can’t you behave”?
That would be the classic “bunny boiler” or “disturbed young man” type.
It’s common to hear, “I own you” …. they actually think this.
Both are big on gaslighting so can be confused with a narcissist, which actually isn’t (usually) as bad.
It’s the men who ask to an abused woman “what did you do to make him hit you”?
Classic BPD, sick bastards. They never man up, nothing is ever their personal fault, even the actions of their own body don’t feel like they belong to them. When they picture themselves as the man (issues with empathy for the opposite sex), they assume the man was never at fault, even if he threatened murder.
They will FIND an excuse to hurt.
“I’m the real victim here”, as the other party is bleeding and traumatized in the corner.
They can seem glib like the psychopath or narcissist and can be at times grandiose with narc features. However, it’s an act, usually in response to attention. It’s fake. Their come-down is when this reality hits them again, which can look bipolar. They claim to be depressed when they don’t want to do something, a lot of small compulsive lies.
A rollercoaster of emotional bullshit. Like psychopaths, they deny their own condition but ALSO spread outright lies about it (we’re nice really, we’re the real victim, we suffer, pity us, you can fix us etc).
The logical reply is “wait, if you don’t have it, how do you know so much about it?”
This makes them angry. You wouldn’t like them when they’re angry (they can intimidate by threatening this “loss” of temper, which is a deliberate choice to abuse). Adults don’t lose their temper, toddlers do, because toddlers are still developing the brain areas to control it.
Anger isn’t really an emotion, it’s an impulse. They have issues, emotion is quite healthy but being angry all the time is bad for your body. The Bobo dolls study and others show feeding anger makes it stronger and more frequent. “Let it all out” applies to tears, not physical abuse. Angry people get an endorphin rush, abusers enjoy abusing.
Like the psychopath, they study a lot online of how normal people think. They can quote forum posts to act normal or pass for intelligent, to lure in victims. It’s vapid trivia masquerading as knowledge.
A dichotomous view of life that is too shallow to withstand scrutiny.
e.g. all men are rapists/assholes v. all women are whores/crazy.
The common denominator there….
See, they find it helpful to define themselves in terms of what they’re not.
They deny their Shadow Self and project it, it’s stereotypical they claim they’re incapable of that Evil Terrible Terrible Thing. But the Enemy is FULL of it, to bursting! It’s so obvious!
Race they belong to generally but self-loathing can present if encouraged.
Sexism is far more common because of parental issues.
So it’s the misogynist who says
“I’m not sexist, I just don’t trust or believe or respect women.”
For balance, the misandrist who says
“I’m not sexist, I just don’t like or rely on or hang around men.”
It can present in so many ways but they’re blind to it, having projected it far, far away from what they believe is physically possible.
Anyone who thinks it’s impossible to be sexist personally, ever, at any point, is living in a bubble. Prejudices exist in all humans.
Being suspicious of all women is dodgy, being suspicious of a seductive woman, taking a sudden, keen interest in you, as warned in the Bible, is common sense.
Being distrustful of all men is off, being distrustful of a man who is insincere and keeps pushing boundaries is survival instinct.
Sexists are just lazy. Within a race, there are too many personal similarities to claim a broad genetic danger.
The psychotic thing is obvious.
“The world hates women” and “The world hates men”.
Obvious bullshit, there’s moderate but clear evidence on both sides (balance) so neither sweeping statement is true. It’s another excuse. Not to try, to abuse the “enemy” group, to get perceived revenge yada yada.
The world hates (substitute for Self) so I am morally allowed to (do terrible, evil thing).
Like the #KillAllMen or Elliot murder spree fans.
It’s a selfish Crusaderism. If they clashed with that group, say SJW women to anti-SJW women, they’d hate that supposed group they claim to care about, the most of all. Thatcher gets the most hatred of any dead politician because she was a woman. In a sickening display, they got the radio to play “ding dong the witch is dead” on news of her demise. The working class loved her so the Left despise her. Great men and geniuses are envied most by omegas, they plot to literally kill people, other men are just last. It’s like Marx leeching off of Engels, a man who owned means of production. Marx lived off the blood of the worker happily.
These people are dangerous and abusive.
You love the sinner and punish the saint, you are evil. Defending deviants, rapists (of m/f), whatever it is specifically. This is not First World culture. This is childish and bitter. This is anti-justice.
“We’ll show them” they plot.
The world was right to reject them, really. That’s all they showed.
It is weird there’s a high-functioning category of a developmental disability.
You’d think that’s physically impossible if you, you know, have logic. Either you’re disabled or you aren’t.
Title for SEO.
I won’t even say anything, really, I’ll just link to some chew.
Note: Aspergers no longer exists in America. It is no longer clinically recognized in the DSM, stripped of its own category status in the Fifth Edition into NOS, a misc. category. Suck on that first.
A personality disorder would befit the high-functioning section, but the low-functioning would still classify as autism. It fits with features of NPD, BPD and ASPD.
We need studies on this.
Can we double-blind it and still distinguish the two?
Adolescents with ASD show high rates of callous–unemotional traits but, unlike in the general population, these are not strongly associated with conduct problems.
Google “successful sociopaths”
Individuals with ASD have difficulty recognising emotions2 (although see Jones et al3) and understanding the mental states of others, also known as theory of mind,4 both of which are thought to contribute to problems in social functioning. Executive dysfunction is also reported in individuals with ASD, and may underlie restrictive and repetitive symptoms. Impairments occur on tasks of planning, response selection/monitoring and inhibition of pre-potent response in children5and adolescents,6 as well as reduced cognitive flexibility.7 With regard to common coexisting behavioural problems, individuals with ASD are at higher risk of co-occurring psychopathology.8–10Individuals with ASD display increased antisocial and aggressive behaviour as children11 and oppositional defiant disorder as adolescents
can’t recognize emotions in faces
repetition because they can’t learn from experience
“Mental rigidity or thought addiction to rational thinking” – The Mask of Sanity, by Hervey Cleckley, one of psychopathy’s 16 qualities.
high risk of pathology
antisocial and aggressive as children
acting up as teens
^things common to psychopaths
The explanatory role of attention–deficit hyperactivity disorder (ADHD) symptoms in the association between executive functioning and callous–unemotional traits is not well understood; controlling for ADHD has been reported to eradicate the relationship between executive functioning and delinquency in adolescents.
So there’s also a link from ADHD diagnosis and minors behaving like criminals.
Otherwise that’s a downright magical disappearing act. Jesus-tier.
Individuals with ASD and those with callous–unemotional traits can sometimes present similarly, at least on a superficial level, yet this may be as a result of different aetiological processes. Despite phenotypic similarity, twin studies report largely independent genetic influences (an overlap of 0.43) on autistic and psychopathic traits
And 0.43 is a moderately strong correlation!
Remember, this is ASD, not just Aspergers.
These studies suggest that some individuals with ASD also show callous–unemotional traits, perhaps as a result of a ‘double-hit’, with the emotional processes implicated in callous–unemotional being affected, in addition to the social cognitive difficulties typically present in individuals with ASD (for example theory of mind impairment). However, whether these findings hold in larger, population-based samples remains unexplored.
We test whether the strong association
wait wait wait
What happened to the blithe ‘largely independent’?
between these traits and conduct problems reported in the general population also applies to those with ASD, and describe additional psychiatric symptoms associated with callous–unemotional traits. Finally, we test whether a specific impairment in fear recognition is associated with callous–unemotional traits, as in non-ASD populations, and explore whether these traits are associated with difficulties in theory of mind and cognitive functioning.
Down to academic Hell.
There are two possible explanations for the remarkably high prevalence of callous–unemotional traits in our sample of adolescents with ASD.
Option 3 – you’re a filthy liar?
The dissociation of callous–unemotional from conduct problems in ASD may indicate a different cognitive underpinning. Alternatively, the sociocognitive difficulties associated with ASD may lead to reduced exposure to peers and prevent individuals from engaging in the more socialised and peer-related aspects of conduct-disordered behaviour.
Things that also apply to sociopaths for $100.
Clinicians have been concerned that some people with ASD appear to show high levels of callous–unemotional traits and the present study supports this clinical impression for a subset of individuals…. Parents, caregivers and other people working with individuals with ASD may require specific psychoeducation about these traits, which are often distressing to others but are not necessarily a predictor of antisocial behaviour.
Yeah, they don’t really love you, but it’s fine! They probably won’t attack you. (see bottom)
The clinicians are concerned but the parents should be happy to leave them alone around the knives.
Some children bite themselves and others, and hit other children and their parents with such violence they have broken bones.
autism speaks, but it also punches
- avoidant personality disorder
- antisocial personality disorder
- borderline personality disorder
- narcissistic personality disorder…
Only a few studies to date have addressed the question of how late-diagnosed AS can be distinguished from its psychiatric comorbidities and differential diagnoses
Persons with AS are often highly educated and capable of living independently, yet half are unemployed and have a low socioeconomic status.
If I switched AS with psychopathy, it would fit better.
The differential diagnosis of AS includes schizoid, obsessive-compulsive, and avoidant personality disorders.
Back to the repetition common to all of these.
Psychopaths love repeating stuff too.
The findings provide preliminary evidence suggesting potential contributions of frontotemporal structural deficits in neurocognitive impairment with perseveration in individuals with psychopathy.
The mean volume difference in combined grey matter deficit regions between Asperger’s and control groups was 16% (P < 0.001). No areas of excess grey matter volume were noted in people with Asperger’s syndrome.
White matter deficits in subjects with Asperger’s syndrome were also extensive, but appeared to be concentrated in the left hemisphere (Fig. 3). The deficits extended fronto‐temporally,
“frontotemporal structural deficits in neurocognitive impairment with… psychopathy”
Back to the high-functioning IQ bullshit
Deficits in working memory are central to many theories of psychopathology, and are generally linked to frontal-lobe dysfunction. This article will review neuropsychological and (functional) brain imaging studies on working memory in adolescents with ASD. Although still disputed, it is concluded that within the working memory system specific problems of spatial working memory are often seen in adolescents with ASD. These problems increase when information is more complex and greater demands on working memory are made.
The most complex demand is an IQ test.
Connection? Widely known.
Furthermore, the reliable relationship between WM capacity and fluid intelligence was exclusively supported by the number factor (r = .66), while the resolution factor made no reliable contribution (r = −.05). Thus, the relationship between WM capacity and standard measures of fluid intelligence is mediated by the number of representations that can be simultaneously maintained in WM rather than by the precision of those representations.
Trans. obsession (resolution) counts for nothing.
The high-functioning part is not IQ, it is the ability to live alone and work.
As in, not be functionally disabled.
Back to Aspergers and personality disorders.
If we study it directly –
Fifty-four young adults with a clinical diagnosis of Asperger syndrome were assessed with Structured Clinical Interview for DSM-IV Axis II disorders to evaluate the presence of a concomitant personality disorder and completed the Autism Spectrum Quotient to measure level of autistic features. Autism spectrum diagnosis was confirmed by Diagnostic Interview for Social and Communication Disorders with a collateral informant. Approximately half of the study group fulfilled criteria for a personality disorder, all belonging to cluster A or C.
Next control for malingering because
Participants fulfilling criteria for a personality disorder showed more marked autistic features according to the Autism Spectrum Quotient.
That is highly unlikely.
Similar to ASC, BPD patients have elevated autistic traits and a strong drive to systemize, suggesting an overlap between BPD and ASC.
I am shocked.
Article over for titular purposes. Stay after dark if you’re hardcore.
Warning: this is random and only partially serious. The data is real.
Magical mystery p-value tour!
Onto murder! The ultimate in violence!
Reporters are saying the killer had Asperger’s Syndrome, a form of autism. Every time a news story does that – by tying “killer” and “Asperger’s” in the same sentence – they are at some level implying that there is a connection between autism and mass murder.
Statisticians have a phrase for this situation: Correlation does not imply causation.
Like Prozac suicides? Thanks, guy with Aspergers, for telling us objectively how safe you are.
http://www.autism.org.uk/about/what-is/pda.aspx Includes compulsive lying.
Please understand if I don’t take your word for it, it’s like asking a fat person how much they ate.
Let me just google it and see if there’s any news.
Since observational studies count and we need an example.
The murder of a teenage girl by a fellow care home resident obsessed by necrophilia could have been prevented, an inquiry has found.
Yes, direct infusions of lead are very preventative.
Melissa Mathieson, 18, was strangled by Jason Conroy in 2014 at Alexandra House in Bristol, a home supporting people with autistic spectrum disorder.
Conroy, who once tried to strangle a teacher so he could abuse her, planned to drag the teenager’s body back to his room and have sex with her.
He had also attempted to kill his mother by putting a duvet over her head for the same reason.
That’s three victims attempted minimum.
Why are creepy rapists and killers not raising any eyebrows when they’re white? Anyone?
About the statistical significance requirement…
Murderers are crazy and water is wet.
A new study in the journal Aggression and Violent Behavior will likely fuel the debate even more. It found some mass murderers and serial killers have something in common: autism and head injury. Like Lanza, other killers had an inability to connect socially, spoke in flat monotones, and had emotionless features.
Researchers call it the first review of published accounts of what causes people to commit mass murder. They said: “Our findings tentatively indicate that these extreme forms of violence may be a result of a highly complex interaction of biological, psychological and sociological factors and that, potentially, a significant proportion of mass or serial killers may have had neurodevelopmental disorders such as autism spectrum disorder or head injury.”
Since you can’t rehab these people, where is the hangman?
The necrophilia man will be released. Before his 30th birthday.
The director of the United Kingdom’s National Autistic Society’s Centre for Autism reacted to the study with caution. “We would urge people not to jump to conclusions about people with autism and to make judgements about a whole section of society,”
because we want to keep the gravy train a-chugging and we’re completely objective.
Nonetheless, “the findings were surprising,” researcher Allely, who holds a PhD in psychology, said in a phone interview. “There was a higher percentage of autism [among serial killers] than in the general population.”
Maybe don’t blame the meds just yet.
The research examined a population of 239 killers who had murdered at least three people since 1985, when there was a dramatic increase in the recognition of autism. Of that number, 133 of the mass killers did not appear to suffer from any neurological disorder, but a “significant proportion” did: 28 percent had “definite, highly probable or possible” autism, while 21 percent had sustained a “definite or suspected head injury.”
28% is well above the required level of significance.
The irrationality of this paper merits inclusion alone.
How much is it a factor? BUT It isn’t real BUT it could be BUT it is.
There are 73 mass shooting events but there are two events where there is a pair of shooters which meant that 75 mass shooter cases were investigated. This exercise tentatively suggests evidence of ASD in six of 75 included cases (8%) which is about eight times higher when compared to the prevalence of ASD found in the general population worldwide (motherjones.com). The 8% figure for individuals with ASD involved mass killings is a conservative estimate. In addition to the six cases which provide the 8% figure, there were 16 other cases with some indication of ASD. Crucially, ASD may influence, but does not cause, an individual to commit extreme violent acts such as a mass shooting episode.
Influence without a cause people.
That makes complete sense.
I am sold with buttons on.
Nothing to see.
No misdiagnosis, no Siree.
It’s a risk, but don’t be worried.
There’s a built-in excuse that they’re not really stalking you because you’re their “obsessive interest”, don’t be concerned, women.
He didn’t realize when he should not bring up his interest in murder. He might fall into the category of the “incompetent suitor” on the Stalking Risk Profile assessment guide12 – usually harmless but causing genuine concern and requiring limit setting. Legal consequences could follow if the behaviors persist. When given feedback these individuals may be confused, feel frustrated, hurt, or remorseful. Their genuine social naïveté may be apparent to evaluators. In this case the student received ongoing psycho-education and coaching about proper conduct so as to minimize the risk of impulsive outbursts if rebuffed and frustrated, and to reduce the likelihood of others reacting negatively. His progress and conduct continued to be appropriately monitored. A comprehensive risk assessment and explanation to campus officials avoided his being perceived and treated as a potential homicidal stalker.
As a woman, fuck no.
I’m not responsible for some random’s sexual entitlement.
If only we had a technical term for this acknowledged with a link to Aspergers cases.
Homicidal ideation is that term.
“They made the decision to use violence as a means of resolving their issues”
It goes on to discuss premeditation and planning. Nothing like a psychopath, clearly.
That includes discussing murder in slavish detail.
Immediately refer to a trained professional
any student who screens positive
for suicidal or homicidal ideation.
If only we had a study
Five cases of young Italian men with Asperger syndrome and recurrent and extremely violent femicide fantasies are presented. While there is no direct correlation between autism spectrum conditions and violence, as other humans, persons with an autistic condition are capable of committing crimes, including homicide. All five had in common a number of characteristics and behaviors felt to be pathoplastic: All had been bullied, all had been romantically rejected, all were long-standing First Person Shooter (FPS) game players, and all were avid violent pornography consumers.
Wow it’s like the average MGTOW or MRA forum.
I need a study on that.
Because the adequate, mature response to No is murder and necrophilia.
These people are the reason feminists still hold sway over the population.
If they disappeared, there’d be nothing to oppose. People who see you as subhuman because they want to fuck you? Probably not firing on all cylinders themselves.
Psychology is dark and if you disagree and haven’t read enough.
Not respecting the humanity of the person saying No – proves them correct to reject you (you’re unsuitable) and gives First World Feminism something to point at. Congratulations, you’re stupid on multiple levels.
Bitchier than gay men.
Are male narcissists more likely to be misogynistic? A study suggests that heterosexual narcissistic men tended to lash out more often at heterosexual women than any other group (including homosexual men and women). Dr. Keiller (2010), lead author of the study, writes:
The present study suggests that heterosexual men’s narcissism is linked to an adversarial and angry stance toward heterosexual women more than toward other groups. Although narcissists may want to maintain feelings of superiority and power over all people, narcissistic heterosexual men are particularly invested in subordinating heterosexual women.
Of course they can’t cooperate, low empathy. They’re broken so they project it and act out. Projection is aggressive.
- There is an established connection between misogynistic attitudes towards women and homicide against women (Campbell, 1981).
Many male mass murderers have also been shown to have a history of domestic violence against women.
They’d call that training.
It is narcissistic to feel entitled to attention from others, including sexual attention. Stop being a whore.
It is narcissistic (specifically solipsistic) to assume your problem should be (other person’s) problem e.g. Women You Wanna Fuck.
This Venn is oddly irrational from the supposed High IQ overlords. They have no problem rejecting women they don’t want to fuck personally, and expect this is their solemn right to do so – but crudely, harshly and without comeuppance. Because female entitlement is the only problem?
The strangest aspect of these femicide rampages is how they believe it makes their ’cause’ appear worthy.
that line tough to define
Bolded is the stuff they can’t really deny. None of those are prosocial. All of those bolded are evil, as in, they do not occur in a healthy, high-trust society. You have no intellectual philosophy, there is no cause. You don’t even use scientific terms like hypergamy or philosophical solipsism correctly.
We know you’re worthless r-types. Fuck it or kill it or both, we knew. It’s your reason for existence, your raison d’être. How deranged must you be to possibly think that makes you look good? Cavemen were more civilized, we have forensic evidence. You’re not reconnecting with anything. Ancient men weren’t monsters, in sum. What, like women aren’t going to take even more precautions from anyone who vaguely blips on our creepdar? How do you think empathetic people, including normal women, work?
They’ll be more scared – they say on their forums, with the narc’s gleeful thought at another’s suffering.
….Will this result in less sex and a worse reputation or the reverse?
Nobody will ever respect you because you have never ever earned it.
There is no Man Card, you are not auto-worthy of respect because phallic symbol? Freud would’ve laughed you out of the room. It’s individual, it has nothing to do with sex. You earn respect, not your sex for you. That’s such a passive feminine way of looking at it too. More than feminine, effete, it’s perverted femininity. Like the gay pride people who humiliate themselves and still expect you’ll respect them after viewing the assless studded leather chaps in public.
What is going on over there, America? You used to be cool. Now you’re famous for these morons.
You choose to be grandiose and act like a loser (psychopaths are not cool IRL).
You’ll meet their fate.
Bible called it;
The LORD tests the righteous and the wicked, And the one who loves violence His soul hates.
For the one who sows to his own flesh will from the flesh reap corruption
Do not be deceived: God is not mocked, for whatever one sows, that will he also reap.
As I have seen, those who plow iniquity and sow trouble reap the same.
I guess you could call it karma too.
Coddling them is inappropriate, they know what they’re doing and enjoy hurting others, especially wider abstract society. They fully deserve all they get, in that case.
Outsiders get no sympathy.
‘Member hostility in that misogyny list?
The reason they do is that chronic hostility causes both a constriction of the arteries and more blood being pumped to the heart, causing small tears in the arteries. Cholesterol and fat then attach to those tears, which can ultimately cause heart attacks . Chronic hostility also has been linked to long-term elevations in white blood cells, which has been clearly associated with heart disease .
In a fascinating study, researchers followed the health of a group of medical students for 25 years to see if their levels of angry hostility at the beginning of the study could predict their heart disease rates down the road . Incredibly, those participants who were highest in angry hostility at the beginning were 5 times more likely than their laid-back counterparts to have heart disease 25 years later.
Type As are not alpha, they’re just dead.
Social reciprocity outweighs any posturing dominance bullshit.
It’s almost like being selfish is stupid in a social species?
There’s far more evidence for male bias, isn’t there? As in, there is actually evidence, unlike gynocentrism, which clutches at straws with rhetoric and emotional appeal.
For the broader group, personality disorder (1+) would be highly effective.
If they mutilate you, if they torment you – you can’t leave them. Nobody else would have you, as gaslighters put it.
That’s the common reason behind borderlines – being borderlines. They want to damage and depress those around them, to weaken them from leaving.
The nymphomania is pretty indicative of classic psychopathy.
You can tell by someone’s personal life alone whether they’re crazy. Elsewhere, people hide.
Same goes for the ‘gay’ domestic abuse rates, and drug use.
Classic psycho traits. High time preference.
Also, wouldn’t it be a typical narcissist to name themselves ‘happy’?
“As healthcare officials will attest, the biggest problem with mental illness, is the mentally ill don’t think they’re mentally ill and refuse treatment. As long as they can pass an examination that states they aren’t a threat to themselves or society, and aren’t sociopaths gaming the system, then give them their desired “X” for gender on their driver’s license (and if Target wants to spend $20 million to build gender neutral bathrooms in all their stores, that’s their decision, but considering their stock has dropped 25% since the announcement, and during a record high bull market at that, their PR stunt speaks for itself).”
They are all listed in the DSM. It’s literally a disease.
They are also coded in the ICD, which Americans forget about but we have that in Europe.
The D stands for Disease. It is literally correct to say they have a disease.
Narcissists are typified by a rage at happiness.
Naturally, they love any excuse to play victim.
This makes them look good and the good person look bad.
You might call that crazy. Well… yeah. That’s the point.
They’re the human equivalent of an infection. Emotional contagion is a weapon.
They’ll turn up at someone’s birthday party knowing they aren’t welcome.
You could say etiquette exists to isolate them.
In general, those with personality disorders resent the normal, want to destroy and replace the norm, to steal its power for themselves. They can’t run a piss-up in a brewery though, but they can inflict plenty of damage as they take society down with them.
Most have been diagnosed with at least ‘depression’ (*a false effect produced by the low when someone thwarts their precious way or doesn’t allow themselves to be abused) but tend to have rage issues and psychotic symptoms. Some depressive meds are also used as anti-psychotics.
*A depressed person would never use it as emotional blackmail.
An abuser would.
They claim a romantic script where they explain away their promiscuity by saying it’s a quest for The One. They don’t believe in a one. The next woman who takes their fancy, they will claim might be the One, so when it goes wrong (his fault) he gets to blame someone else (her).
It’s never their fault.
They’re incapable of monogamy or keeping a woman (r-types), why would they want a one?
What’s their reaction to happily married men? Disgust, confusion and loathing.
Yeah, they don’t want Miss Right, unless it’s followed by Now.
It’s easy to reveal when they imagine she’s simultaneously easy for him but difficult to ‘conquer’ (like an object or land staked by a flag) by all other men.
That isn’t how humans work. Ever. Either they’re sluts or they aren’t, but these guys expect the ‘right woman’, who magically sees Mr Sociopath’s value to use and abuse them, would dote on them like a mother, plus sex. It’s very Freud because mother cannot abandon them and many called a sociopath here in these types of article are misdiagnosed male borderlines.
However, when a woman turns out to be easy, they put her in a list called Not the One.
When a woman turns out to be unreceptive to his advances, same list.
All women end up on that list.
That is his choice.
They expect finding love (conflated with sex) isn’t difficult. That is madness.
But sociopaths are inherently lazy, they expect EVERYTHING to come easy.
Including a person.
When that doesn’t happen, narcissistic rage or manipulation ensues (to provoke the response desired or your own rage, so they can cue their own rage and blame you).
Hence it’s critical you don’t rise to their bait and cut them off from attention, they see attention as a reward for their behaviour. Those so-called bitches are just onto them.
Send them to a professional, they won’t go. Even shrinks cannot fix them.
Men playing the sympathy card flag up.
““I am sure that if the devil existed, he would want us to feel very sorry for him,” Martha Stout confirms in The Sociopath Next Door. “If you find yourself often pitying someone who consistently hurts you or other people and who actively campaigns for your sympathy, the chances are close to 100 percent that you are dealing with a sociopath.””
Men cannot be simultaneously superior and weaker. Pick one.
“Sociopaths want to be the center of your world. If they’re not, it becomes much harder to exert control. To do that, many will introduce another person into the relationship to upset the balance and make you glom onto them harder. A straight-up affair would be too easy (and risky) to reveal. Usually, these come in the form of an old friend who just has to come along on your dates, an attractive bartender he can’t stop talking to, or even his phone. Anything that when you complain about it, suddenly you’re the insecure/melodramatic/crazy one.”
They call that ‘dread game’ but the term round here is called being a shithead.
They think this is ‘harmless’ (lie) or funny (gaslighting).
Relates to triangulation, a form of abuse using a 3rd party.
Simple Q: are they trying to make you feel bad? Out of the two of you, who did something bad?
“Denying what they’re clearly doing is called gaslighting, and it’s an incredibly damaging practice.”
“The sociopath mindset is fascinating. Generally, they believe they are smarter than everyone else, and because of that, life is set up to punish them. Listen to the way your partner talks about themselves. What kind of stories do they regularly tell? And what role do they play? If every story features them one-upping someone (at any cost) or how they were thwarted (by cruel forces clearly out to get them) they may be subtly revealing their worldview.
“The sense of entitlement that comes with sociopathy is astonishing to those who abide by the social laws and conventions of our culture,”
Idealization (lies) and devaluation (lies). Sense a pattern?
“this rage fuels their sense that they have the right to act out in whichever way they happen to choose at the time.”
they are more emotional than an hysterical woman grieving, that’s why they tend to hate women, they project their sensitivity as a sign of womanhood to displace guilt… and excuse themselves when they ‘punish’ women in or with relationships with them
sure, they’re the victim
Borderline is already under-diagnosed in women, more often depression, histrionic personality, (ego, identity) anxiety or narcissism.
But male borderlines are under-diagnosed even more than that. Usually men are tarred as sociopaths (antisocial personality) if they feel empty, or narcissitic personality if they’re grandiose (faking it).
A lot of manosphere and self-proclaimed redpill types match this, and even complain when (other) borderlines are attracted to them, or plain narcissists (there is a co-dependency between the conditions in romantic attachments, the NPD feeds off the BPD’s attention and false identity is created like an ego plug, for both).
Red flags to look for include:
- Frequent romantic relationships (often too close together): Do you know a male who has been with tons of women? Did this guy feel guilty or did they feel admired? Believe it or not, some males with BPD symptoms will date multiple women (feel guilty later) and refuse to commit due to a fear of abandonment. Other males will “scare” their spouses away with their quick tempers, argumentativeness, and sometimes even physical aggression. An interaction with a male with BPD may include the individual saying any and everything to trigger their spouses anger. Their relationships may be frequent and too fast. Individuals with BPD tend to be emotional which is why some individuals pursue multiple relationships that begin too fast and end before you can blink.
- Drama laden behaviors and attitudes: Most of society, primarily men, would say that “women are dramatic.” Some women would agree. In fact, it is a natural thing for women to be emotional with all of the emotions and hormonal fluctuations. But for males, the drama would look at bit different. For example, I previous worked with a 13 year old male who would come to therapy idealizing me and his work with me almost all month until the final week of the month when he would become very detached emotionally and standoffish. He fluctuated between liking me and confiding in me, to rejecting my ideas and therapeutic support. During these “episodes,” he would also break up with a girl and pursue another. He would also reach out to old girlfriends via texting with the excuse that: “I didn’t end things right, I need to make it right.” This continued for years.
- Roller Coaster emotions, thoughts, and behaviors: Again, as stated above, most men are not dramatic but sometimes the way in which emotions are expressed can feel like multiple personalities. Men with BPD will often become “hot” and “cold,” change perspective quickly, or exhibit very angry and hostile emotions toward others. This is the type of person who will exhibit a consistent and stable pattern of behavior, perhaps even for a long time, and then quickly change into what seems like a completely different person. An example of this would be a teenager being a “daddy’s girl” one moment, and then later telling the father how awful of a person he is and how unfair his parenting is.
- Hot and Cold interactions with others:Some individuals with BPD really struggle with relationships and often have trouble with interpretation of comments, body language, and emotions. For example, a male with BPD might find it quite disturbing that his wife speaks to other men while in public. He might begin to behave oddly such as being emotionally distant, becoming easily angered, not openly communicating, or begin taking everything personally. This same man may later act as if nothing happened and instantly appear to be one of the most fair spouses you could ever have. The emotions of BPD are like a roller coaster at times and it can be difficult to determine what emotion the individual might exhibit from one moment to another.
- Frequent suicide attempts or SIB: It is a known fact within the world of psychology and psychiatry that individuals with suicidal ideations (i.e., thoughts), gestures, or threats will often use suicide as a way to manipulate their loved ones or somehow prove that they are “lovable.” For example, the man above on #4 might become so jealous of his wife talking to other men than he decides to tell his wife that he will kill himself if she does not refuse to talk to other men.In this case, suicidal thoughts, threats, or in gestures is used to manipulate someone else. However, there are individuals who are seriously considering suicide because the symptoms of BPD “causes” difficulties in various domains.The pain is so intensified including the fear of abandonment that suicidal thoughts may temporarily comfort the sufferer.
- Attention seeking behaviors: Some individuals with BPD (primarily adolescents with BPD traits) crave attention, even if it is negative. The loud attitude, the blatant and aggressive words, the criticism, the accusations of being unloved and abandoned all draw attention to the individual. Males who exhibit BPD traits will often cut themselves or harm themselves in some way and then draw attention to how they harmed themselves. Other males with BPD traits may engage in risky behaviors such as unprotected sex, having multiple mother of multiple children, domestically abusing his family, making threats to keep everyone afraid and confused, or entertaining a negative group of peers (e.g., gang involvement),
- Dependency/co-dependency: Co-dependency or dependency is often a very common symptom of BPD. As stated above, the fear of abandonment makes it difficult for individuals with BPD to maintain safe, healthy, an satisfying relationships. On the other hand, there may be times when someone connected to the individual with BPD begins to rely, emotionally and psychologically, on the individual with BPD. The relationship is dependent upon the other individual who may be just as (or more) emotionally and psychologically unstable.
- Anger outbursts but social charm: Many of us are used to hearing that sociopaths or narcissists are superficial, shallow, and manipulative. But we must also consider that an individual with BPD (who may also have other diagnoses) can become very angry to the point of manipulating situations or responding to confrontations/arguments inappropriately. Anger outbursts can occur more than we think in individuals with BPD.
To any kind of personality condition, they refuse to accept responsibility for their actions or the outcomes because it’s so integral to who they are, they cannot conceive other means. It will always be the fault of the Other e.g. so a gay BPD man will blame all Other man, a straight BPD man will blame all Other/ all women, see what I mean with the manosphere thing? Is that not exactly what they do?
Despite claiming to be alpha (no grit, no LT plans like a psychopath) and chill (apathetic), they frequently burst into rage online, in articles and videos and in person. They usually have domestic abuse accusations on file, but like a psycho, play victim. You can’t be the strong one and the victim. However, they’re highly emotional and try to talk out of this with rationalization, confusing it for rationality because again, they have no true identity so may think they’re ASPD and secretly getting one over on everything, but in truth they don’t even know what those things mean e.g. loyalty, love, rationality, they lack a sense of self like a baby.
PUA appears to be an excuse that all the antisocial behaviours are signalled as positive e.g.
I’m not a slut, I’m a stud!
Women don’t want me? Women can’t have me! Nobody can hold me down!
I’m not dramatic, I’m exciting!
Draining? You’ll miss me when I’m gone!
I’m not mean, I’m funny!
I treat them badly because they deserve it, and I deserve to be worshipped because I am Manly Man McAlpha!
I’m not lonely, I’m a lone wolf!
I could get any woman I want, they’d be so lucky to have a user like me.
When I’m cold, it’s cool. When a woman’s cold, she’s a frigid bitch and there’s something wrong with her.
It’s often said that borderlines, for example, fear abandonment.
No, they don’t.
They fear their victim getting away.
Hello. This link was bait. There are others too but I won’t spoil the fun by saying which ones.
I can see you.
I can also see your IP sources.
Servers, terminals, ISPs. Those link up. Proxies don’t apply to people like me.
VPNs are an illusion of control and security, a protection racket run by people like me. We have databases to run those services, there are always logs, believe me.
What are you trying?
There’s a reason nobody really cites me. There’s a reason the MSM never touches me. There’s a reason you don’t see many of my readers link to me directly.
They’re scared of me.
What, exactly, are you hoping to do?
Go ahead, Roosh’s lot tried to fake dox me and that didn’t work. This was shortly after Anonymous doxxed him. I have other places and names to travel by if I burn this one.
I admit, my curiosity is piqued.
A flurry of new interest lately and you seem to be info-gathering.
Darling, this site is a two-way mirror.
You see me. Yes, certainly. I can also see you.
Why do you think it’s here?
Allow me to ruin you with emo music.
It’s strange that in modern discussions of social/sexual possession by ’emotional vampire’ types, nobody mentions the Jezebel (not uniquely female but often).
They control via sex.
I saw a very recent somewhat famous example of this and it can prove an addiction to some victims, seeking to fix the woman with each attempt and leaving suddenly when she goes for the
These are women they’d never have children with, they know it’s a bad idea. Reproductive abuse happens, guys, she can ‘forget’ to take her whore pills.
NEVER DATE A WOMAN YOU WOULDN’T WANT TO MOTHER YOUR CHILDREN.
(there’s the true test of femininity, would she love her own babies? more than herself?)
Rule for life. And vice versa.
She loves to steal your influence, spouse, ideas, job, money, innocence, and take credit for things she didn’t accomplish. She makes you feel powerless, out of control, confused with severe bouts of depression and vain imaginations raging against your mind.
Do you hear her complain about her enemies like they’re less than human?
Does she fake femininity around you?
Does she rarely complain about you, but speaks down to you like a mother when she does?
Jezebel targets the ignorant, the spiritually weak, the hurting, wounded, offended, the lonely, even the corrected rebellious. Jezebel works in spiritual deception and guile to advance her own agenda.
To create soul ties the Jezebel spirit must first seduce you. They flatter and make you feel special or good about yourself. This works for some that have never felt special or never had anyone say much good about them. The Jezebel spirit knows how to “feed you” with compliments if that’s what it takes to build a relationship with you.
They ‘accidentally’ fall into bed ‘early’ and easily. They ‘happen’ to be into all the same sex stuff as you or willing to try anything behind that seeming ‘innocence’.
This makes men feel guilty. Guilt makes men easy to control.
The Jezebel spirit takes advantage of all our flaws and weaknesses. As your relationship with Jezebel continues she makes you feel that you can’t live without her and need her in order to be successful.
Stockholm Syndrome works better on men than women.
The urge to protect is perverted, so in appearance the adult woman is girlish and almost pedophilic for a man’s taste, but if you watch her behaviour she’s worse than a social dominatrix. The man can try to hide a history of such women, trying to unconsciously make himself less of a target. This doesn’t work, they can smell it. Man with money. Man with status (more valuable than money). The worst gold-diggers are status whores. They use such men like ladders, often happening to work in a career where being a ‘duo’ makes sense. Guess who’s on top?
The control of Jezebel doesn’t happen overnight. The control is little by little and bit by bit. This spirit beats you down a little at a time.
Sound like psychological abuse?
Jezebel’s demonic power sucks the life out of you and makes you want to give up and quit. You say things to yourself like, “What’s the use?”
Usually it’s apparent objectively in that no matter how hard you work, your career goes nowhere. They usually say things like “oh, but my girlfriend is very supportive.” Where do you think that energy is going?
Perhaps the Jezebel spirit entered your life when you were the most vulnerable. Maybe you needed help and the Jezebel spirit was there.
Abusers want the victim completely dependent on them.
It’s like an invisible leash. She’s allowed to slacken it, but the moment you look elsewhere…
Puppet on a string.
Others notice they interrupt any unsanctioned happiness or redirect it to themselves (energy). She can’t be ‘strong’ and in need of rescue. She’s a user.
They feel vengeful against the opposite sex, whichever it may be. They seek to humiliate them in various ways, not including that relationship with them, often someone far beneath them in looks. This includes working ‘with’ them i.e. to keep an eye on them and dominate them in their profession among colleagues under the guise of feminine help and in the case I’m thinking of she talked the guy into adopting a fucking Chihuahua.
A fucking Chihuahua.
There’s a picture of him online smiling like a total prick and the hideous thing has a pink collar.
I was looking at it aghast, I mean, I can think of means to humiliate men but that is evil.*
It’s often said that borderlines, for example, fear abandonment.
No, they don’t.
They fear their victim getting away.
Of course, there’s one way to test these people.
Stop sleeping with them.
This is why men fall prey in particular. They know they don’t want to stay with her in their heart of hearts, but it’s free/cheap sex… or so they think. Women never put out without getting something in return. If you don’t know what that is, it’s probably your agency.
Yet because they fear being cut off from the control outlet of sex, they threaten with it.
Suggest a break, specifically a sex break, and watch the rage bubble up.
Losing their narcissistic supply.
Then the passive-aggression and overt manipulation, if not guilt-tripping, trying to induce the ultimate state of self-loathing and personal insults (weirdly fixated on race).
* Do you need me to tell you she converted him to social justice and, worse than this, The Mindy Project?
Stories like these are the reason I have lost all hope for Western men. Although I guess it was his fault for dating crazy non-white chicks in the first place. It was never going to end well. White women are worse at controlling our men than all the other races. The Asian women are best, look at the stereotype of what happens to an Asian woman when you put a ring on it, an overbearing woman with balls bigger than any man, specifically the Chinese are masters at this slow burn ingratiation process before turning and crushing the spirit, not the Japanese as suspected by Geisha culture. The Chinese are closely followed by Africans, who are a little more upfront about wanting partially-white babies (and rejecting suitors from their own continent/racial group, from self-hatred, which the children also inherit). If she was really sweet and innocent, she wouldn’t fall into bed so quickly and she wouldn’t be interested in you. Oops! babies often happen 2-3 years in, when she feels she ‘deserves’ an engagement (do not give her one, say it’s outdated and Patriarchal, warn her of this before as collateral), sometimes five years if she has her ‘career’. Naturally, if you ask, she’ll expect you to drop your career, for Princess Pinko, although yours probably makes far more money and is further along. She’ll make you feel bad about that.
If she’s so independent, she’ll make the perfect single mother!
Extra SJW status points! They think single mothers are better than wives, right?
And never feel bad about forcing an SJW into an abortion. They love it. They get them repeatedly. Either that or so much alimony you lose your house in Hampstead.
Why details? They might help some poor schmuck who can learn better.
He won’t ever, ever see this post btw. Although I wish he would. Dude. What have you done?
Just don’t marry the crazy, please. These women are great at extracting proposals. Like, experts. It’s scary.
The spiteful little dog (the smaller a dog, the more concentrated the rage), such an emblem of its true master (the woman) was the crowning moment of WTF for me in that story. I give up on helping the sap.
kinda like that Asian plastic surgery Princess gold digger to the white British billionaire a while back
in case you missed it
I’ve heard such women in the ladies’ room talk about snagging a man, usually a rich man or a white man, someone to control with fake femininity. It’s sick, they’re uglier on the inside if that’s possible. These guys have no idea, she does the exotic innocent act and can stay around to get a certain type of baby before making off. These women come from a matriarchal culture, look at the Grandmas. That’s who they really are, shrews worse than… well, the alternatives. Their careers falter too as with all abuse it messes productivity so they have nothing to fall back on, the fools. It never twigs why, and nobody has the heart to tell them they’re ruined. All because nauseatingly phony feminine wiles distracted their upstairs head when better women are a click away in any case. Ego ego, all the way down to the gutter. These women keep moving because everyone hates them where they came from, this never twigs either, if they stopped shagging them for a week she’d have nothing to manipulate with or blame him for. They hug them at strategic points too to shut them up** and the fake giggles get on my tits, as someone who suppresses giggling. It’s like a gold-digger but also Stockholm Syndrome, so they say like oh my career is on the rocks but my girlfriend is supportive. The passive-aggression disapproval like a mother annoys me, passive-aggression isn’t feminine. Look at the timing. Manipulation is difficult to detect, unless you look at the timing. Like, if you wouldn’t sign over your finances to them, you don’t really trust them not to screw you over. That’s what having sex is like now, with alimony. Then again, a lot of them want someone to feel superior to, by being the hot one. I don’t have too much sympathy with the fools who go back to abusers. What a waste.
Terrible taste offends me more than bad behaviour. If you’re going to be shallow at least have good taste. And I only respect men based on the quality of their women, if they can stick their dick in ugly, and worse, frequently and happily, I don’t wanna know them. They lost any respect because their hindbrain is underdeveloped to the proper standard. All women care about this, why do you think we ask about exes and try to find pictures? Other men, the powerful ones no coincidence, judge by it too, why else give you a plus one to the office party? Trash travels down the same street. The same goes for women but the average man is less attractive than the average woman so this must be accounted for. Discrimination and discernment are highly important in social relations and intimate relationships are the best test of character. Better some freaky fetish than deliberately dating beneath them for some self-loathing reason. They abjure their league so we keep them at a distance too. They get a rep. We aren’t stupid. They hate themselves, their level, they’ll sabotage us too. I hate when they lie about something everyone can see n’all, like, we aren’t screwing it, the endorphin squirts haven’t hurt our perception of reality. She isn’t a ‘nice person once you get to know her’ the need to include a clause shouldn’t be there. Bad sexual history, bad partner in anything. ANYTHING. Have you heard the CEO advice? When looking at a promotion, they look at the women. Those choices are the most important you will ever make. Sometimes you look and think ew, how could you? They’re
so ordinary. Not plain, which can be quite nice, but just bland? Boring? Ugly certainly, but not even interesting with it? How could that impress them? Were they tricked? Sometimes they are. It’s too funny to laugh at them, we just pity. They’re ruined forever on their better options now. It’s like a CV. They don’t even spring for her plastic surgery so it looks like a concubine arrangement and he wonders why he gets no respect at work. No shame. No idea what character defect they’ve shown the world. “Not our class, dear” as the saying goes. Don’t expect to come crying to us… the partner, on the other hand, must be reveling in it. Especially control of a certain type of white straight man from a conservative background. Getting one over on The Man, by jumping on him regularly.
**Strategic hugs bring out the paternal in men and release oxytocin, quelling any sudden independence of thought.
In short, if they hate your very being (white, male, privileged education) DO NOT FUCK THEM.
They hate you. They’ll ruin your life!
It’s not that there are actually more women than men with BPD, it’s that we haven’t identified the ways it manifests in males, as pathological. We might have climbed on-board with the ‘male bashing’ some women have promoted, and assumed this gender had innate deficits when they’ve acted like “jerks,” but what’s often spawned our pejorative view, is aberrant behavior patterns in men with borderline traits. Does that rearrange your mental files??
A colleague who works almost exclusively with male borderlines, has told me that they generally present as commitment-phobes and sex addicts, which seems logical–for at the very core of borderline pathology, is an attachmentissue that starts in infancy, with Mother. This is addressed more fully below, under my subsection; THE WIZARD OF ODDS….
Seducing women feeds his narcissism, and fills his core emptiness–it’s his addiction. Since he can’t form solid/healthy attachments, he takes hostages. Make sure you don’t become his next prisoner.
They’re like a dog chasing a car.
If they got a good woman they wouldn’t know what to do with her, and probably dump her from fear or push her away to feed into his abandonment paranoia.
A lot of PUAs are said to meet the criteria for NPD. This is close to the truth.
In fact, they better fit BPD and they make the entire sex look bad (most of the negative stereotypes about men are based on the immature ones).
That’s a list of traits to spot in a male. It’s easier to start with males.
Borderline is chronically under-diagnosed in men, in favour of anti-social. Slightly over in women, many of whom have physiological, often hormonal issues that go untreated and cause their psychiatric symptoms.
The female traits often coincide with high IQ personality traits, many of those lists are unreliable. A personality is not a sign of demonic possession, but if you believe in that thing, behaviour would be and there’d be no excuse for it. Savours rabbity.
“He can suddenly play the role of the victim. Similar to the sneaky charming jezebel. Victims take pity on him. They see him as needing them. He is playing on the natural nurturing character of women.”
“He targets them by falsely mirroring their values, interests, goals, philosophies, tastes and habits.”
“He fakes integrity, honesty and sincerity. He convincingly mimics human emotions. He uses people. He is a “sincere liar.”’
“He can seem very spiritual or idealistic, but this is superficial. His interpretation of scripture, however, may not agree with what God had in mind.”
Hence the posting about what Christianity actually says lately, since these ‘men’ in the manosphere keep conveniently missing out parts of scripture they don’t wish to follow.