Parental absence lowers child happiness and intelligence

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/312357880_The_Effect_of_Parental_Absence_on_Child_Development_in_Rural_China_The_Effect_of_Parental_Absence_on_Child_Development

This includes emotional absence, re-marriage abandonment (abuse) and being ‘busy’ at work.

This study estimates the effect of parental absence on the development of children in rural China. Although some previous studies have looked into the effect of parental absence on children’s academic achievements, we investigate the effects of parental absence on both the cognitive and non-cognitive skills of children. Our results show that parental absence during early child development mostly incurs negative effects on the academic achievement and non-cognitive development of children. A child whose parents are both absent tends to have lower Chinese and mathematics test scores, lower self-assessment on his/her behavior, and is less likely to be happy and satisfied. A gender difference is also observed in the effect of parental absence: girls suffer more from the effect of both parents being absent on their mathematics test scores than do boys.

Remember, neglect is a form of child abuse.

A parent working over-time for their ego doesn’t actually care for the child.

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2015/11/151130084008.htm

We looked at children who were left behind with relatives when the parents left to seek employment far from home.”

For the study, which was led by Professor Su Lui and conducted at the Second Affiliated Hospital & Yuying Children’s Hospital of Wenzhou Medical University, MRI exams from 38 left-behind girls and boys (ages 7 to 13) were compared to MRI exams from a control group of 30 girls and boys (ages 7 to 14) living with their parents. The researchers then compared the gray matter volume between the two groups and measured the intelligence quotient (IQ) of each participant to assess cognitive function.

The researchers found larger gray matter volumes in multiple brain regions, especially in emotional brain circuitry, in the left-behind children compared to children living with their parents. The mean value of IQ scores in left-behind children was not significantly different from that of controls, but the gray matter volume in a brain region associated with memory encoding and retrieval was negatively correlated with IQ score.

Since larger gray matter volume may reflect insufficient pruning and maturity of the brain, the negative correlation between the gray matter volume and IQ scores suggests that growing without parental care may delay brain development.

Both parents.

Skipping out to work all the time to get out of the house is still neglectful. We have the MRIs.

They have to do, like 1/3 of the parenting at least, some interactions.

“Our study provides the first empirical evidence showing that the lack of direct parental care alters the trajectory of brain development in left-behind children,” Xiao said. “Public health efforts are needed to provide additional intellectual and emotional support to children left behind by parents.”

Or shame the parents who think a promotion is more important than children.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3904543/

This is the red pill.

The Causal Effects of Father Absence

[not inc. if he was actively abusive if present, obviously]

The literature on father absence is frequently criticized for its use of cross-sectional data and methods that fail to take account of possible omitted variable bias and reverse causality. We review studies that have responded to this critique by employing a variety of innovative research designs to identify the causal effect of father absence, including studies using lagged dependent variable models, growth curve models, individual fixed effects models, sibling fixed effects models, natural experiments, and propensity score matching models. Our assessment is that studies using more rigorous designs continue to find negative effects of father absence on offspring well-being, although the magnitude of these effects is smaller than what is found using traditional cross-sectional designs. The evidence is strongest and most consistent for outcomes such as high school graduation, children’s social-emotional adjustment, and adult mental health.

https://adc.bmj.com/content/103/7/691

Parental absence in early childhood and onset of smoking and alcohol consumption before adolescence

Parental absence was associated with early uptake of risky health behaviours in a large, nationally representative UK cohort. Children who experience parental absence should be supported in early life in order to prevent smoking and alcohol initiation.

Pre-teen degeneracy. They’re also likelier to sleep around, do other drugs and commit crime but I’ve posted how that’s most common in mixed race kids before. Racial confound.

R-selected children with neglectful fathers (or mothers, and/or both) are lower quality per child than they otherwise would be. There’s no ‘sowing oats’ and novelty-seeking when you have kids, total myth. Normalizes child abuse.

Your deadbeat dad made you short

I ain’t playin’ today.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4697772/
It isn’t muh genetics, it was Daddy’s adultery.
The sins of the father shall be visited etc etc.

If only we were warned in a book of some kind.

https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Bible-Verses-About-Sins-Of-The-Father/

Men: parental death and divorce during early childhood was associated with shorter adult height, and later puberty. Later puberty was associated with shorter adult height. Path analyses demonstrated that the relationship between parental divorce and height was completely mediated by age at puberty; although parental death was only partially mediated by age at puberty

The wages of sin. Deadbeats may as well be statistically dead. Actually better.

Good luck blaming the Jews for your Dad’s case of the Wandering Penis.

Most common cause of divorce: adultery.

Most common spouse to cheat: male.

Sure, the wife might file but… vitally, after she’s been publicly humiliated. The Bible says to leave if he won’t do his duty.

If their own father is still sexual competition (coughs in Freud) then logically the son’s body would shut down and delay puberty. Manwhore dads kill their son’s chances, since they’re bad parents. Adultery isn’t just spousal abuse, it’s child abuse. So severe, it gets the death penalty of both guilty parties in Christianity. Better an adulterous husband be dead, for his children’s sake. Health outcomes like this prove it.

The Sexual Revolution made you short… and ironically less successful in it.

Reddit’s hate-on for astrology

I haven’t spanked reddit in a while.

Loves: astronomy, Elon Musk, popular sci-fi books, telling you how smart he is.
Hates: using google, research, empirical studies, bigoted people who dare disagree with him, history books.

Reddit Greg’s Greatest Hits:

“Snowflake PTSDs aren’t real but my ADD is”,

“Essential oils are bad for you but smoking pot makes you smarter, as you can see”,

“There is no scientific benefit to being Christian, they’re all so angry, at least when I talk to them”,

“Morality doesn’t exist but I’m not a psychopath”,

“SJWs get offended by everything, that’s why I post every time they do something that upsets me”,

“We don’t need to study atheists like a separate group, just trust we’re superior to you”,

“Conservatives are literal Nazis, they aren’t even human”,

“I can’t keep my wife happy so monogamy is a social construct”,

“My multiple divorces were caused by feminism, I’m a great catch, a real…Nice Guy…”,

“Cheating is just biology… unless a woman does it… unless a woman does it with me…”,

“Women shouldn’t breastfeed in public, that’s disgusting. Lingerie ads are capitalism and fine around children”,

“Women trick men into asking them out, dating them, proposing to them and marrying them”,

“My next wife’s gonna be Asian, all women are lying whores”,

“I don’t have a haltlose personality disorder because I think I’m fine”,

“Porn is safe, I just need to strangle women to cum naturally“,

“I’m not gaslighting you, you’re crazy”,

“What does creepy even mean? I never creeped out myself therefore I cannot be creepy”,

“If you hate me, you must hate all men, I am logical because I am a man”,

“If a man lies about a woman’s sex life, it’s a joke and it doesn’t matter, get over it but if a woman lies about a man’s sex life she might as well murder him because it ruins his life and career and she has no heart”,

“MeToo is stupid, victims don’t matter, they’re probably faking but men get raped and nobody even CARES, where’s OUR movement?”,

“Single mothers are evil but deadbeats are flawless little angels, even when they murder their kids it wasn’t their fault, it’s feminism”,

“I don’t have anger issues, the world makes me angry”,

“I have tons of scientific evidence about this important social issue but if you dare ask ME for any references I won’t give them to you and call it obvious, it’s just obvious”,

“That doesn’t count as assault because it’s something I’ve done, that’s how laws work”,

“I am very self-aware and actually very deep, nobody has ever experienced the same problems as me in the entirety of human history and I’m entitled to get whatever I want as a reward…. social justice is cancer”,

“I don’t hate women, I just hate everything they say, do and are, lol”,

“I can tell which men are hot and how women think but I’m not gay”,

“Threatening rape is a joke, that’s why men do it to one another”,

“I want to have tons of promiscuous dangerous sex but I’m a gentleman who’ll treat a woman right,”

“Women expect Prince Charming is gonna rescue them, I just want a virgin with a religion I don’t share who’ll let me internally damage and degrade her”,

“Women are supposed to bleed that much, scar tissue isn’t real”,

“LOL what a cuck… except when I’m cucking my wife, totally different, that’s consensual humiliation, my consent”,

“Women are shallow – no fat chicks, no one taller than me or who makes more money”,

“My masculinity isn’t fragile, my WW2 vet grandfather would’ve spent thousands on e-books about it too!”,

“But masculinity is in danger because of feminism, not toxic though!”,

“Women should work and pay their equal way but magically stay at home and never leave, leaving the Man to make ALL the money, the way it should be – why do they ignore us?”,

“It is totally my business what is happening in happy marriages, this isn’t weird”,

“Hello discussion of uterine cancer. Equality is a myth but WHAT ABOUT MEN?”

“Men age like a fine wine, that’s why I’ve been taking risky testosterone supplements from the wise old age of 21”,

“Testosterone supplements make your dick work better, that’s why they’re $12 a jar!”,

“Testosterone makes black men more violent so all white men need to take more testosterone and be like Africa, famous Matriarchy”,

“Women are regressing but wanting to fuck random teenage girls the rest of my life is healthy, not a fetish”,

“Age 29, a woman’s ovaries poison her to death like a gremlin after midnight, a doctor friend told me”,

“Reddit isn’t a prison for people who’d make the world worse, they’d make the world better – if only they could quit the site”,

“Rape gangs don’t target boys so living under Sharia would be fine, it isn’t like they castrate the conquered”,

“What was the virgin wearing when she was raped?”,

“Men and women are different but women should be more like men… and less like men… but more like men… but not those men… “,

“Idiotic women blame the Patriarchy for rape, but I’m smarter, I blame feminism”,

“Abortion is evil but rape is normal, just get a gun and get arrested for having a gun, then get raped in prison!”,

“Men don’t have to defend women, women should defend themselves with their weaker biology because I’m a coward”,

“Abortion is evil but fathers are not responsible for the life they made, no matter how many times they fuck without protection”,

“Boys will be boys but muh male on male homicide rate, be sad”,

“Women vote Left, because the Left said so, and they wouldn’t lie about that”,

“”The Pill has made women whores, let’s keep it legal!”,

“What was the rich guy wearing when he was mugged?”, (I wish)

“Patriarchy is a good thing unless I have to earn money for my gender role.”

“A rich man who marries is asking to be divorce raped”, (that was pure troll)

“Women need to earn respect but men deserve respect for existing creating war, usury, genocide, rape, various crime statistics….”,

“Women are useless, that’s why mothers are so important to us, in the kitchen, keeping us alive”,

“Women are crazy but let’s hand them a set of steak knives and take a nap”,

“Men are geniuses, that’s why I can’t name a single living one from the past century”,

“My delusions of male grandeur say yes, the national IQ of Russia says no”,

“More men are alive than ever, that’s why the world is in such great shape, look at India!”,

“Celebrities are cancer but the cult of Musk is life”,

“War is coming to teach these women a lesson but no, I’m too ____ to be drafted”,

“Womyn is stupid, just say woman, what is wrong with females?”

“The death penalty is fine but child support is cruel”,

“I’m not a soy boy…. but soy sauce doesn’t count”,

“Women are gold diggers, I asked a woman to go out with me and she expected me to pay! She should be grateful I made the offer, I didn’t offer to pay too!”, (check this one)

“I deserve a good woman, whether they want me or not“,

“Promiscuity is good for men, look how well-adjusted manwhores are from middle age on”,

“Stupid Boomers are paying for their years of ‘free love’, glad that won’t happen to us!”,

“I don’t want to get married but have all the reliability and loyalty of a wife, because I’m me,”

“I don’t want to rape you but I insist on getting you so drunk you can’t fight back”,

“I’m avoiding all women, by spending every hour of every day bitching about them”,

“They’re calling him a rapist without a trial, but he doesn’t want a trial!”,

“It’s assumed she wants it until she presses charges”,

“Women are so stupid, that must be why they reject me and I want them”,

“Men can’t be beautiful so I can’t be ugly”,

“Fuck character, women want huge muscles because the guys at the gym said so”,

“We can study everything without censorship but looking into the life outcomes of slutty men might hurt their feelings”, (Hare did it)

“Old men are happier than old women, free, they even die earlier, ultimate MGTOW!”,

“What causes so many male suicides, we’ll never know! Smith & Wesson retirement plan FTW!”,

“Bachelors die sooner but that doesn’t make it unhealthy”,

“Deadbeats don’t harm their kids but girls get periods early”,

“Studies proving low IQ are real until you get to the political implications for low IQ white men, who don’t exist”,

“Communism is impossible to sustain but socialism is fine”,

“Marx was a man but all lefties are women”,

“Social science isn’t real but the mental disorders I claim to have online are valid”,

“I don’t believe in r/K because a pattern throughout species insults me personally”,

“There are obvious brain differences between left and right wing people, if only we had an evolutionary theory that tied this all together!”,

“Political persuasion works but I’m a materialist, everything about the mind, including consciousness, has a biological explanation”,

“My child IQ score allows me to sit on my ass all day judging others instead of contributing to society”

“My parents paid for this expensive education that clearly did wonders, that makes me right and you always wrong”,

and “Vaccines are safe, I had them and my autism is total coincidence. You should trust pharmaceutical companies even though you can’t sue them for vaccine damage but Big Pharma wants to kill us all, they want us all stupid. Drugs are bad unless I bought them from an illegal immigrant involved with child slave rings, then they’re good for you! Oh my non-existent God, don’t you know how bad smoking cigarettes is for your erections?”

I’m taking the piss out of everyone, if you can’t tell.

Comic: shit rapists say

Sorry, is this shitposty enough? They really don’t deserve better.

Ironically, these are the same guys to bitch about prison rape (prison full of people exactly like themselves). Because women/children/rarely men have no rights when it conflicts with their lust and sense of entitlement, but God forbid someone wolf whistle snowflake in prison, he demands social justice!

If anything, the Devil supports free choice – free of conscience.

It makes you wonder, were the Devil like a person, how much he hates humanity?

Why else try to trick these scumbags into deserving heaped punishment?

That would logically explain why a Godhead was fine with it.

It’s just bringing out more of what’s already there, the blackness of their evil heart. Blaming the Devil is like an American blaming McDonald’s. Dude, just don’t go!

When I’m standing in a bakery and really hungry, I can’t steal the food no matter how much my body’s instincts scream at me. Crimes have a mens rea. Guilty mind, intent, it isn’t spiritual or physical. People miss that fact because they distract from it. These perverts try to play “Real Victim Here” when, if being themselves were such a torment, they’d commit suicide (logically). They have the lowest risk of suicide of many pathological groups, because they compulsively lie (obviously) and inhumanely enjoy their sexual predation like a lion biting into a juicy gazelle. This is difficult for good people to wrap their head around. They enjoy ruin, including their eventual own (idiots self sabotage). They dig their own grave, call it “insanity” (they’re not) or sin, the result remains.

It isn’t an excuse. If anything, far from meriting compassion like a full human being, they merit lead and a shallow grave because we put all other predators down except for the most deadly – human on human predators with provably subhuman brains. Or hell, if we’re going to think Joker style about this, give them to the necrophile rapists, that’d be a plot twist. They don’t believe in dignity, after all. They don’t think they have a soul so it’s just a clump of cells left behind, whether worms or technical humans enjoy it shouldn’t matter.

Man has caused most of his problems by ignoring or preventing natural law. Most law is in the punishments and they fit the crimes. By keeping various people around and worse, encouraging them (you can’t rehab someone if it’s what they are) then they increase the world’s suffering according to utilitarianism and the “helpers” become enablers also responsible for the crimes committed (part of pathological altruism in a clinical context).

When therapists and lawyers are held personally (partially) responsible for the criminals they helped free to re-offend, that’s justice.

If they released a non-human predator, we wouldn’t get so soft. Violent criminals are not children. Infantilizing them is enabling horrors.

They didn’t know? some cuck will claim. Really? It was their job to know, they took the job, they took the money, they looked at the facts. Case closed. They claimed a lie, in court, that criminal X was safe. At minimum perjury and medical negligence to society. They lied to a jury and a judge. To get more money. Isn’t that… aiding and abetting? Bribery?

Sexual selection does not include rape in humans, hence the “selection” part. Even birds choose their mates, bird brain is an insult (unfair but still). Rapists like Genghis Khan are not, in fact, successful in the Darwinian sense. He was an r-type. Fitness is qualitative (K-select attribute), not quantitative (N descendants) and over sufficient generations the material of one rapist would be diluted out or dead (inherited high time preference trait is recklessness), which is far less of a genetic “gain” to count than the murders (of men! creepy fans of his) that allowed him to continue his rampage for so long (including deaths of his kin in his own army). Khan was the ultimate deadbeat abuser. What’s to admire? That isn’t civilized, it’s a savage. Savages are unfit and if you read Darwin this comes through clearly. He discusses sexual selection in the context of society’s formation and fitness and the struggle for life and peace and what we consider the long, painful process of civilization (e.g. sanitation, humans prefer one another not smeared in shit). Rapist genes are useless (incompetent individuals who, by definition, need to steal/parasite from others) and in fact harmful to a group (hence there’s such a thing as incestuous rape, they aren’t even “good” for close kin). Inferior genes do exist (selfishness is a hallmark of the unfit) and a desperate man is no man at all. Unfit genes are culled and this is good, this is what evolution is all about. Whether it’s the vain guy who wants to focus on his career and the gym or the rapist who gives women “the creeps” so they don’t want even more vulnerable kids with it, those genes don’t serve any human society, current or future, they should be allowed to go gently into that good night. Rapists only desire to reproduce for three reasons: 1. control of the victim/mother including financial leeching, 2. vanity/children as status symbol (like welfare queens) despite abuse of the child (they see it as an object that should be grateful they let it live, God complex feeds into this point) and 3. all the benefit of children who will probably try to love them and feel like taking care of them when they’re old and none of the investment (deadbeats should be abandoned in turn, they come back to the kids classically when they ‘need’ a kidney). Such dependence and parasitism (and on the innocent too) is low and disgusting. Loyalty is a two-way street. Loyalty evolved (reciprocity, pair bonds) to merit compassion, they are owed nothing but society’s shaming. [Shame works on the narcissist better than anyone else.]

(Note: Deadbeat mothers should also be abandoned, the logic applies to all of the predatory leeches).

Children owe their parents in as much as they acted like parents. It’s a job. 

Yet you’ll see them try to twist “honour thy mother and thy father” despite being atheists.

https://www.biblehub.com/2_corinthians/6-14.htm There is no fellowship. There is no obligation to a cheat in any game with rules.

Those are roles. You don’t magically become a parent at conception or birth, like modern simpletons claim, it’s really an IOU on years of upbringing. It’s a contract more than a title.

Deadbeats are like an employer who expects you to work but refuses to pay you. That has a name.

You know what is evolution, though? Natural selection. As in, murdering rapists and pedophiles to prevent the genes worming into future court cases, it’s good for the fitness of the group/tribe. They never “get” to that part. The Victorian society was so incredibly prosperous in the latter period directly BECAUSE it kept hanging for various crimes in the early period. A genetic cull preludes prosperity (dating back to the K/T extinction event allowing humans to best dinosaurs and later, the Ice Age giving Europeans* a massive edge at a unique latitude, an event Inuits missed with later migration Northbound), it’s a fact of history that some death allows worthier life to flourish whether the cause is a proportionate penal code with its act together, war with a vast drafting policy or fatal disease that picks on and exploits various human flaws e.g. promiscuity, by EVOLUTION. It’s the same with American prosperity, they hanged a bunch of criminals, were tough on crime (just?) for many decades and then magically, there was a long time where crime rates were pitiful, as if the problem stopped breeding. [Think rabbit farms but rabbits with rabies.] These are not human problems, it’s mathematical. There are forces that allow flourishing (fitness is the result) and those that regress society by depressing the flourishing forces (worst of all punishing those instead). Society is not obligated to keep those groups who endeavor to destroy it on an individual level. The Bible clearly doesn’t include punishment of violent crime as killing of 10 commandment fame because sometimes only death (let God sort them out alludes to killing, America) can prevent more death and trauma i.e. not killing your enemy means war eternally. It’s a binary choice of bad now or worse later.

Abortion of future criminals (I trust you can look up the stats) has prevented far more cruel murders. Would it be better to prevent conception or earlier in the chain of events, fornication? Of course but the fact remains, there are calculations. Human life does have a price – and a cost.

Keeping one human alive can incur a greater cost to humanity than any self-congratulation (sin of pride and playing God) at “sparing” their life (like you have the power or the wisdom to know what’s right). Such do-gooders are the most un-Christian people you’ll ever meet.

Suffering is not a wishy-washy thing. It’s quantifiable. 

If we slot them into r/K (as an extreme, tbf) then you’d be hard-pressed to miss how r-types have a high fertility rate (consensual reproduction or not) simply to compensate for their extraordinarily high death rate (this is true across species). To accept the sexual fact of the matter (ignoring the proof on parental investment requirements for fitness) then ignore the fatality side of the literal life/death equation goes to show these psychopaths are low IQ.

Most of them are many, many SD below the likes of Bundy**, who was probably killing for a cult (look at his background). Rape-murder is a cliche case because it’s the epitome of misogynistic rage (think Jack the Ripper) and the epitome of unfit (no baby if they’re dead and it prevents other members of society from survival too, like genetic civil war).

Basically, rapists are enacting a kind of civil war on the genetics of the society dumb enough to host them, whether it be with murders, causing infertility (trauma can or various STDs they pass) or their inferior weakling genetics eventually leading to the death of the better genome they forcibly combined with. They’re the lamprey on the good genes (measured in fitness) of their victims. Pictured:

Society is the victim, especially at a group level (genetics, gene pool). Society is the biggest consensual structure going. This is why the legal system is mostly imposing its values via punishments. When losers have nothing, society has everything. Justice does not mean everyone gets a cookie.

If they dehumanize their rape victims, society owes them no humanization (let alone privileged treatment) themselves. Sexual impulses led to the modern creation of cheap satisfaction toys and there’s always their hands. There is no excuse. Evolutionary arguments would actually call for their hanging or castration because Social Darwinism. For the good of the collective genome.

If nobody wants something, it’s defective.

*A Troublesome Inheritance goes into it.

**Do not suffer a male witch to live either.

For the point about selfishness, in the clearest context we call it cowardice.

Selfish people don’t just stop one day. It escalates like psychopathy, rape and murder.

Considering this –

Homework, think about this: is killing a rapist (child or other) worse than rape?

Society will be buzzing about that question after the next decade’s events.

“An affair does not make you a better spouse”

There are people who would actually question that logic.

Like a marriage is anything else but a ceremonial monogamy.

And hypothetically, if it were true, the same would apply to women. So cucks have logic, at least, one-sided cheats don’t.

They admit loyalty is valuable when they want to take it from the other party without giving it.

https://disenchantedscholar.wordpress.com/2017/07/17/signs-of-an-emotionally-immature-adult/

Update: I knew I’d read about this in Western canon.

https://www.poemhunter.com/poem/mary-pity-women/

You call yourself a man,
For all you used to swear,
An’ leave me, as you can,
My certain shame to bear?
I ‘ear! You do not care —
You done the worst you know.
I ‘ate you, grinnin’ there. . . .
Ah, Gawd, I love you so!

Nice while it lasted, an’ now it is over —
Tear out your ‘eart an’ good-bye to your lover!
What’s the use o’ grievin’, when the mother that bore you
(Mary, pity women!) knew it all before you?

It aren’t no false alarm,
The finish to your fun;
You — you ‘ave brung the ‘arm,
An’ I’m the ruined one;”

Victorian deadbeats.

Kipling nailed the sniveling cowardly type of man perfectly.

No wedding, no opinion

What do you think a marriage is?

Seriously for a moment.

 

What do you think a marriage entitles you to, gentlemen?

Legally.

These degenerates want the rights of a husband without the responsibilities.

Er….

No?

YOU’RE ENTITLED TO NOTHING.

YOU SHOULD GET NOTHING.

GOOD DAY, DEGENERATE.

What did you expect?

It’s like if I didn’t buy Apple stock ten years ago and sent them an invoice backdated of all the money they owed me. How the fuck does America expect this shit works?

It doesn’t work. What are you doing? You’re breaking marriage. Literally.

Ya gotta invest before you expect.

You reap as you sow.

If you don’t sow, you get nothing.

THAT SHIT IS BIBLICAL AND BASIC AS HELL.

K-selection, bitches. It’s in the Little Red Hen! Where were you, Tyrone?

That is not your wife.

Expecting the property rights of a head of a household is invalid. You didn’t buy the house. You didn’t step a toe in that direction. Actually, given ample time and opportunity, you ran in the opposite direction and deserted the prospect. Decisions will be made without you, snowflake.

Black guy abandons woman, expects to have a say.

What?

It’s like claiming disability because they suffer and you suffer as a human too. Not how it works, snowflake. You can’t apply something so broadly that all sperm is magically a baby and something you considered trash can be back-dated as ownership rights based on your present feelings (and over the person who did make it, kept it alive and does actually own it, had medical responsibility this whole time and didn’t neglect it).

It’s like the SJWs crazy enough to count a fully-consented sex act they regret as rape, it’s the exact same reasoning and it’s shit.

Present doesn’t alter past. Anything less is insanity.

A marriage is not just a piece of paper and has FA to do with wuv, sorry, love.

It’s an investment document.

She makes babies, you get an opinion.

That’s IT.

HOLY SHIT, AMERICA.

Just when I think you can’t get any worse.

It shouldn’t list father on the birth certificate but husband. Maybe a separate section if it’s a rape baby. Because guess who’s paying for all the upkeep, food, rent, medical expenses?

Does the mother own his sperm that went in the trash all those years too? Irrational claims go both ways.

There’s no logical way to sell this. They are being anti-science.

You didn’t make that baby. You didn’t want that baby.

Why do you complain that you can’t get something you rejected?

The entitlement, I can smell it from here. What a cesspit.

Can women claim all a man’s earnings from fucking him once? [no, contrary to reports with lacking citation, wife is a distinct assortment of rights, if you aren’t married and try to claim common law marriage here, we’re smart and civilized enough to know there’s no such thing, you must consciously consent to the legal structure, no slow slides without paperwork or anyone could claim to have lived with you and slept with you]

Seriously now, consider how much more badly this will go for men if you allow it to continue. So you don’t marry a bitch but she still gets all the legal entitlements of a wife without even a prenup.

You can only get a prenup on a wedding. No wedding, no nuptials, no prenup.

Fucking r-types reee. You wanted your no-investment lifestyle, you KEEP your no-returns lifestyle.

You can’t retroactively own something.

Basic property rights.

Deadbeats get nothing. You shouldn’t have left. You should’ve gotten married. Your mistake, individually, we shouldn’t break the legal system of thousands of years for chocolate snowflake.

Men ejaculate into socks everyday, they don’t own a baby.

From a purely biological perspective (ya gonna deny biology now?) you didn’t grow something for nine months putting your life at risk, and then again to take the medical risk of death to bring it into the world. It’s like Loki’s gambit here, the sperm you gave away are no longer yours, fertile or not. You can’t take anything away.

Landing in a sock or ending up in an egg. A seed on rock or fertile soil.

He’s a sperm donor, they also revoke their legal rights, any they might have had.

Consequences, bitches! You put yourself in an unmarried situation!

Are you also gonna insist you get rights back (they’re not refundable, it’s like women wanting back their period eggs) for all the trashed sperm since your balls dropped? Pretty sure those were abandoned for at least days too.

Legally you don’t have a leg to stand on.

Do you want all the cells of your faeces and urine and sweat (skin cells) back too? You can’t privilege rights over one abandoned cell to another. Not how the law works. This whole thing is absurd.

The biological proof racking up showing how a baby actually grows in their mother, is itself a growing field.

These guys sound like SJWs.

Reproduction is not equal. It’s the woman’s investment. She owns it because legally, it’s her body. You only get a right over a woman’s reproductive system when you marry her. Simple, you’d think?

Her body, her choice is a legal and medical point. It is misapplied to contraception. You don’t own her periods either. If men could carry babies, the woman wouldn’t own it since the carrier is the one taking all the medical risk (including death) and hence, all the responsibility. He doesn’t own a single one of her cells, he didn’t marry her.

Make your own baby, in your own body, then it’ll belong to you!

Seriously, if men did that the law would then be on their side. If you risk death to create life, you deserve it.

As it is because they’re too scared to develop that technology and actually use it on themselves? Men don’t make babies and so don’t own babies unless married to the mother.

You can’t grow a child in an artificial womb unattached to a body, it would be stunted (fetal psychology, it needs the carrier for more than blood and nutrients, your knowledge of science is woefully out of date). Women are vastly complex baby machines, men just switch it on.

I don’t get to turn up to a gold mine on land I might’ve bought but didn’t and grab some because it’s.. there now. Nah-uh, there’s a process. Opportunities are windows because you can always see them but you can’t get to them anymore once they close. You passed it up. You and only you.

A product of adultery doesn’t belong to the cheating dick. It’s the guy who owns the womb (or the original womb-owner if single).

Aren’t they libertarians, usually? They know how property rights work. Someone hunting on your land is trespassing, that isn’t their deer. It doesn’t belong to the person who sees what was made by the land and selfishly wants it.

“My baby”, says the deadbeat. Nope!

Unfit parent too. Women also avoid marrying them too.

And note the narcissism often used in these cases like it’s a toy to get revenge instead of a person with best interests.

“Our child”, says the husband. Depriving a child of its human right to a family life with the happy adopted arrangement is abuse, an abuse of its human rights. I hope it grows up and sues him, the kid would win. He was spiting the child and ruining its future to hurt the mother and prove a petty point, how evil. If I won’t keep you, they can’t either? 

What did you do for those nine months plus time after? Nothing. You didn’t even marry her pregnant, the time limit long since passed. You passed over your right to an opinion. Ask any traditionalist. It’s better off elsewhere, the mother is correct. The father is an abandonment case. You don’t get to leave a kid alone then wonder why you can’t visit them like a dog in the kennels after a long holiday.

It reminds me of when Emma Watson abandoned a kitten then came back in the guy’s life ages later to get her cat back. He told her to take a hike and she did, now if she knew she was taking the piss… what’s the excuse? There isn’t one.

Biology is starkly clear.

The single sperm gamete that eventually (time delay a week to conception) made that child was abandoned (legal rights revoked, you do not own your medical waste) and you don’t have any claim to the maternal cells they fused with to produce a zygote AND implant, the first stage of a baby. Men have nothing to do with actual, biological reproduction, it all happens inside the mother. A child is genetically mostly their mother (X-chromosomes have more material, her blood, various substances from her body in utero including vitamins and minerals leeched from her bones, stem cells exchanged with maternal cells into the foetus including brain cells etc.) so nah. This isn’t equal.

The idea men reproduce is a biological myth. Produce what, exactly? They shed a gamete, like a skin cell. In number and value (nothing). This gamete has no medical risk associated and will be shed in nocturnal emissions regardless of choice. It legally counts as human medical waste and men dispose of it as such. Female seahorses don’t reproduce either. If you want to be very technical about it. The production event has nothing to do with them. Biologically or psychologically. A virgin woman can technically impregnate herself and theoretically reproduce asexually (no sexual act in that case, which is one definition) with sperm in a condom in the street. The autistic focus on information fails under scrutiny too. To define by DNA when there are more things being discovered everyday (inc. RNA and mtDNA) is essentially calling a baby one type of one single set of half a code, corrupted, that cannot support itself without a case (uterus) and has no platform to “live” (mother’s blood, presence) or in this example, read/be read. Is a CD with half a human DNA code, no case, no drive, broken (mutations repaired/corrected by the mother’s DNA), a baby? Any scientific person would ridicule this outdated legal interpretation. Your errant sperm entitles you to nothing. Your hand is not your fingerprint, police can’t take your hand. Your brain is not your IQ, schools own none of your brain despite adding to your IQ. No transfer of ownership. Your words are not your tongue, nobody can cut out your tongue for singing their song. Non sequiturs are fallacies. A woman’s period gamete shedding (women shed their gametes not-living too) doesn’t entitle her to a living baby either. She’s gotta make it herself and produce the life. It takes about a year. That is a job.

J.O.B. That is work. Are you Communists now? Are you entitled to the labour of others?

The quality of life is something only the female of our species can give, to date (and it doesn’t always work, as in miscarriage). Is the man responsible for that too? Can a man miscarry? Exactly.

Life is the organism, completed in its maturation to independent life (growth, birth and infanthood), it’s very clear biology and you can read Darwin. He wrote enough books on it.

Tell me, in the pure data example, who gives life? As such, to who does it belong?

Data without a computer is nothing. The computer also has its own data to work the hardware or the input is again, worthless.

Humans reproduce sexually as a rule, we evolved our gamete system and behaviour around this rule. There are exceptions and it gets weird. The baby itself, if grown and born, would still die as an infant without the mother’s milk. The father does fuck-all again. Nature says baby belongs to Mommy. Get over it.

Women have childbearing, stay in your gender role lane. A woman giving you a gun doesn’t own the medal for all the people you shot with it. That would be ridiculous.

Is DNA in a petri dish a baby? Legally, we’ve been over this and I don’t like it as a situation but I comprehend how it works as an exception. Important difference for the triggered idiots who think their feelings should make fact and Onan’s spilled seed should be counted a baby by law in the census. Miscarried fetuses don’t count as babies either, no infanticide there, if even the mother doesn’t own early stage, pre-birth as a separate legal entity to her body, you certainly have no fucking say, Mr. pre-conception.

Preconceived = wrong. Onan didn’t go by the DNA/seed rule, it was marriage that made the father by law. He didn’t actually marry the woman he was screwing and therefore knew it was wrong to get her pregnant since it wouldn’t be his. In a plot twist, God counted them as married by contextual technicality. Doesn’t change the rules, does it?

Pre-conception, your role = no baby. Point on the doll where the scientism hurt you.

What is the value of a DNA test in this case? A test of what, there was no acknowledged baby in the conception process or via marriage ceremony later even after conception. He didn’t claim his rights. Be ye fruitful and don’t run away from the tree?

You breathe in DNA fragments from people on public transport, so what?

Microbes on them or from inside them are DNA too.

You eat DNA fragments from the chef in your food. Did you steal or was it normal shedding?

They say we should sell licenses to reproduce. Yeah, we do.

S’called a marriage license.

Although technically it’s a claim on reproduction (the process) the lady does. A male claim. Male proposal? And the lady has to accept it (#womb4rent) or it doesn’t count. Tell me, where was the offer in that case? He didn’t want a baby then and should have no rights over a baby he didn’t want in the present. If he didn’t want to be a father genetically, don’t fuck a fertile woman. It’s very simple, that’s how babies are made. Get a vasectomy too.

The child deserves a better life with a father that wants it and gives a shit.

And the precedent will mean, if truly applied, that rapists have ownership of the baby the woman (or little girl) didn’t consent to produce, over her husband’s/own right to abort it. What in tarnations. A rapist has no paternal rights. You can’t take all that carrier agency and medical risk away on a flimsy what if emotional fallacy pretext.

And what happens when two men screw? Do they get to ask for their sperm back?

If this case stands, spermicide is homicide. Literally. That’s how stupid.

Are you sure, America? Is this the future you want?

Sperm isn’t life. Neither are eggs. A zygote, then implanted is life. 

You might notice that’s the woman’s job, 100%.

Do you want donated blood back too because it ended up in a rich person? Bloody hell.

The “baby killer” rhetoric they try to pull is so empty, like fathers never murder their maturing, born children or push a woman down the stairs to cause a miscarriage (not the mother’s choice). I don’t think the mother approves either in those cases and I don’t think that changes the fact. Any of them. So male choice to end pregnancy in another body – fine by pigs, but female choice – Satan? They even try to pull this manipulative bullshit off when the baby in question has nothing to do with them, they didn’t contribute anything, even sperm, they try to control the situation on principle that they want ownership control of a stranger. What principle? Slavery? If a man does something I disapprove of, can I physically curtail his rights to stop him? What if it causes him medical harm? Ah, but no convenient foot-stamping guilt trips for the abortion-loving fuckers when they’re male, eh? You do know the Pill is an abortion chemical, right? Chemical abortion is the earliest kind. The Pill is an abortifacient, that’s how it works biologically. It’s the earliest form of abortion. So if you’ve been screwing women on the Pill and you’re happy about that, you’ve aborted your own children by your own logic, at some point? There was a fused zygote. If you were responsible at the fusion… “Men” even feed a woman the morning-after pill or abortive herbs and claim they were morally right to do it! No, there’s a poisoning case, domestic abuse for concealment of forced medication, acting as a doctor without a license and then the actual abortion thing ending a baby’s life itself. Are they not baby murderers?

Crickets from the guys whining about agency.

Worse than that, monsters. Imagine the uproar, the other way around. They already complain about male rape enough.

Considering sperm as usable materials wouldn’t even work.

Since men have issue with topics like this, imagine you threw away some metal-based trash and someone else used it to build something great over nine months and it damaged their health to do so. They sell it to someone who loves it. That’s a beautiful thing and better than abortion, remember. But does that person owe you the thing you threw out and wanted no claim (responsibility) over?

Not one single wonky chair leg to stand on.

And I would bet money – he STILL won’t marry her, even for the statistical good of the child. Yeah, let’s help that guy! Stefan’s too scared to bring that up in his lectures (to women) and add two to two and make four. A family is a unit under marriage. Any claims of “she’s taking my family away” should be met with “where’s the marriage certificate?” Your? Family? Really? No.

Words have meanings.