TLDR: The manosphere is selling you Titanic tickets.
One of two possible explanations: the low quality males being exported there are causing it and/or degeneracy is global and cannot be blamed on the West or Western women. Pick ONE or BOTH. It cannot be statistically denied unless you a bluepill little bitch.
DO THE RESEARCH.
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/233709670_Divorce_Trends_in_Asia Abstract This paper presents and discusses recent trends in divorce for countries in Asia, highlighting both wide variations in divorce patterns and recent changes in divorce trends for countries in the region. Three broad regional patterns are evident: an East Asian pattern characterised by increasing divorce rates, though there are signs of stabilisation in some countries in the last few years; an Islamic Southeast Asian pattern characterised by declining divorce rates until recently; and a South Asian pattern with relatively stable and low divorce rates.
The paper also discusses divorce in international marriages in some East Asian countries and Singapore.
so try to find the PDF for that race-mixing fun! Isn’t there a piratebay for academic papers?…
It’s almost like the r-types are toxic wherever they go… it isn’t the women, it’s THEM. Sexual locust.
However, they can divorce if they’re married to a foreigner. They can also claim asylum or citizenship (green card style) by going to the embassy of the foreign spouse’s country. Does the manosphere talk about this? No. It’s a ponzi of beach, e-books and pussy. Only a few at the top can actually succeed, by profiteering off the latecomers. Contrary to popular belief in the manosphere (read: delusion) one CAN divorce as Filipino – as long as your spouse is foreign. See:
“The Church’s strong opposition to divorce is probably the main reason why the Philippines is the only country in the world, together with the Vatican, where divorce is not legal. Except for Filipinos who are married to foreigners and seek divorce in another country, and for Muslim Filipinos who are governed by different marriage laws¹, about 95% of Filipinos need to file a nullity of marriage or an annulment² to legally terminate their marriage. However, only a small fraction resort to these remedies because, while the outcome is uncertain, costs are high (usually not less than three months of average labour earnings, and sometimes much more) and the legal procedures are long and complex. Completing a matrimonial dissolution case typically takes between six and eighteen months but the procedure can also extend over several years (Lopez, 2006).”
Sorry I understand data, I guess? My opinions are based in reality.
It’s a technicality, she may not divorce you but she will still leave you.
STARE AT THE CHART. LOOK AT IT. NOT MY OPINION.
They ain’t traditional, living in sin just isn’t. “The increase in union dissolution has been accompanied by a parallel increase in the proportion of Filipinos who live together with their partner without marrying. In the past two decades, the proportion of cohabiting Filipino women of reproductive age almost trebled, from 5.2% in 1993 to 14.5% in 2013 (Abalos 2014; PSA and ICF 2014). As cohabitation has much higher dissolution rates than formal marriage (Figure 3), the rise in cohabitation will likely lead to an increase in the proportion of Filipinos who are separated³. The rise in cohabitation may also be attributable to the country’s “marriage crisis”: cohabitation may be preferable to marriage precisely because it is relatively easier and cheaper to end.”
And over HALF of Filipino women WANT to be able to divorce the weebs:
“While most Filipinos still hold conservative views about marriage and divorce, a growing segment of the population is becoming more receptive to the idea of divorce. Figure 2 shows that over the last decade the proportion of Filipinos who agreed that “Married couples who have already separated and cannot reconcile anymore should be allowed to divorce so that they can legally marry again” increased from 43% in 2005 to 60% in 2014. This growing acceptance of divorce may have contributed to reducing the stigma of being divorced or separated, particularly among women, who were, and still are, expected to make all possible efforts to keep their marriage intact.” The Bible says to forsake a cold or abusive husband so… dunno where they get that idea. If women are keeping the marriage together, they are de facto head of the household.
“The increasing exposure of Filipinos to the urban environment (42.4% were city dwellers in 2007 and 45.3% in 2010) has probably contributed to this growing liberal attitude towards divorce. Urbanization is commonly associated with non-traditional lifestyles and behaviors, and reduces the influence of the extended family on the decisions of young people, including mate selection. This means that children do not feel obliged (by their parents’ choice) to stay in a marriage when it has become unbearable. This constitutes a break from a still recent past when parents and other family members exerted strong pressure on couples to keep their marriage intact in order to strengthen family bonds and protect the family’s reputation.” No comment.
Predictably, higher IQ (education filter) women have higher rate of divorce. Well, high IQ can see something isn’t going to work, ever. The same is true of high IQ men. I don’t know why the latter isn’t mentioned. “Figure 3 shows the odds ratio or the relative probability of being divorced and separated among Filipino women, controlling for different factors. Highly educated Filipino women have higher odds of dissolving their union than women with lower levels of education. Higher education in the Philippines improves the economic status of women and is more likely to provide them with financial independence. Indeed, a key factor for Filipino women when they leave their husband is their ability to support themselves and their children. This sense of independence and empowerment also enables women to transcend the social stigma of being divorced or separated.” The education doesn’t cause that, it’s the IQ filter OF education in many ways. The ones who move West rely on the white tax welfare state to support leaving, yet another leech. Again, they’re materialistic and see white men as money banks.
“As cohabitation becomes more common and as more Filipinos come to embrace more unconventional views toward marriage and divorce, the increase in union dissolution in the Philippines is unlikely to slow down in the coming years. The continued expansion of educational opportunities for women and the growing mobility of young people to urban areas will also contribute towards the steady increase in union breakdowns among Filipinos. With the recent change in leadership in the Philippines, the political atmosphere has also become more open to laws opposed by the Catholic Church, as evidenced by the strong support for the revival of the death penalty. Despite this, the Catholic Church remains a force to be reckoned with in terms of divorce legislation in the Philippines.” TLDR: IT WILL BE MADE LEGAL IMMINENTLY AS THE OLD GENS DIE OFF. ONCE AGAIN, THE MANOSPHERE LIES.
My own country has sensible voiding laws so expect those to expand in Asia too. In the UK, if your spouse hid an STD (including lifelong ones like herpes) from you prior to marriage, it is grounds to have the union voided. It’s also a crime to willingly pass on diseases, aka without prior informed consent, so if they were to go more traditional, the manosphere would be fucked either way. Especially if they relate it to the death penalty and kill the cads. They claim to want patriarchy, but they really, really don’t.
MALAYSIA https://www.rage.com.my/divorce-on-the-rise/ “IN 2012, there were 56,760 divorces recorded in Malaysia. That’s one every 10 minutes. It’s no secret – divorce is becoming increasingly common. The numbers have doubled since 2004, and when we did a manual check at the KL Family Court (which oversees non-Muslim divorces), there was an astounding 266 divorce petitions between April 28 and May 30 – and that’s just in Kuala Lumpur! But those numbers aren’t just made up of jaded old couples. There has been a steep rise in the number of divorce petitions being brought by young couples, according to Goh Siu Lin, a family practitioner and president of the Association of Women Lawyers. Halimatunsa’diah Abu Ahmad, a Syariah lawyer, has also observed a large number of young Muslim couples seeking divorces in court.”
You don’t see the likes of Cappy covering this data, do ya? Just like he says you must kiss the feet of every central banker and a certain religion famed for usury has nothing to do with interest payment. Follow the Pied Pipers!
“Across Asia, the stigma attached to divorce often was the single biggest barrier to getting one. In this generation, that stigma virtually does not exist.” “In an article posted on the East Asia Forum in 2013, Professor Gavin Jones of the Asia Research Institute of the National University of Singapore, said “divorce rates throughout East and South-East Asia appear to have been generally on the rise since the 1980s, partly because the stigma attached to divorce appears to have faded.”” “For a lot of young couples today, personal happiness outweighs an unhappy marriage….” Global narcissism. GLOBAL. An attempted abuser story: “His own happiness was so important to him that he wanted out because he couldn’t change his spouse to his liking,” said Halimatun. This is why courtship is so important. YOU CANNOT CHANGE ANYONE EXCEPT YOURSELF. And why would a woman change after she got the ring? That’s insane. “Women now make up 57% of Malaysian graduates — they are educated, financially independent and socially empowered. They no longer have to put up with harmful relationships. …This means we will be seeing more two-income families, with young women progressively more career-oriented. That’s the good news. The bad news is, archetypal Asian stereotypes and thinking still exist, and the notion that a woman must shoulder the burden of household chores and child care has led to many divorces, said Goh.”
UP and coming economy = destroys family. You picked this.
“In 1940, the average age of marriage in Malaysia was 18.5, and in 1970, it was 22.3, according to a research paper by Barbara Von Elm and Charles Hirschman titled Age At First Marriage In Peninsular Malaysia. Now, according to a National Population and Family Development Board survey on trends between 2000 to 2007, the average marrying age of Malaysians appears likely to increase to 33 in 2015.”
That’s a K force, good. Fewer unwanted kids. Demographic transition at play.
“But, perhaps just as importantly, getting married later could also greatly reduce your risk of getting a divorce. Sociologist Belinda Hewitt of the University of Queensland told the Sydney Morning Herald in 2012: “Basically, if you marry under the age of 25, you have about a four times increased risk of divorce.” Hewitt’s research also indicated that each additional year’s delay in marriage age reduces the odds of marital breakdown by almost six per cent per year for men, and nine per cent per year for women.”
“More than 1,100 divorces have been recorded each day across Indonesia in the last three years, triggered by domestic violence and financial problems, a family care association reported. … It means that before 2017 an average of 288,000 divorces were recorded every year but the figure jumped to around 421,200 annually over the past three years, the association said.”
It’s easy to tell which MGTOW are wannabe abusers, claiming domestic abuse must be fake. “About 80 percent of cases were filed by wives who suffered domestic violence at the hands of their husbands, said Sunarti.” And for all the damage to children when their parents are divorced, it’s nothing to the trauma of living with an abusive parent or witnessing abuse of a parent. So hush.
And the Asian women are planning on locking down a white beta when Asians reject them. https://www.economist.com/briefing/2011/08/20/the-flight-from-marriage “WITH her filmy polka-dot dress, huge sunglasses and career as a psychologist, Yi Zoe Hou of Taiwan might seem likely to be besieged by suitors. Yet, at 35, she is well past Taiwan’s unspoken marriage deadline. “It’s a global village,” she shrugs. “If I can’t find a Taiwanese guy that accepts my age, I can find another man somewhere else.” Maybe—but since she still wants children, Ms Hou is also wondering whether to use a sperm bank or ask a male friend to be a sperm donor. She represents a new world of family life for Asians.”
notice the race-mixers are the shit tier of whatever society they’re from?
According to this, the weebs should be going to South America, but we know they just want a woman who looks like a little kid, so fuck data. https://www.unifiedlawyers.com.au/blog/global-divorce-rates-statistics/ Marrying a Christian also means nothing, especially if one isn’t strong in the faith oneself. You don’t get a decrease marrying a Christian unless you also have always been a Christian. Recent converts, especially deceptive ones who feel entitled to ‘trade up’ to the church virgin after picking up STDs for years with no remorse, are like trannies in all their red flag glory. It’s the comparable gender equivalent. Sneaky fucker strategy in evolution, same thing. Your divorce risk will always be high if you’ve been to Pleasure Island, because of YOU. They act like female virginity can wash away all their sins, including divorce risk. Nope. If anything, the virgin wife would hold you to higher standards, including no porn or other cheating – causing divorce. I’d like to see that data. Do those waiting for marriage have higher standards to REMAIN married? I’ve seen so. Anyway, virgins want another virgin, not a used up manwhore (or ho). Nobody waits for a slut – who couldn’t wait for you. This PC idea you cannot help falling for someone is bull. Lust is not love.
Most common reasons include incompatibility (why did you date them?), infidelity (sue), addiction (sue) and abuse (again, sue them too). “To get a divorce in the UK, you need to be married at least a year and prove to the court that your marriage has broken down due to one of the following reasons:” True but you can void it if they had an STD and didn’t openly (i.e. not jokingly) disclose it before the signature. https://www.gov.uk/how-to-annul-marriage “the other person had a sexually transmitted disease (STD) when you got married” just ONE
that’s the real reason the PUAs hate England it’s legally tricky to be a slut here, from street harassment laws to passing on STD laws
CCP panic https://asia.nikkei.com/Spotlight/Caixin/How-Chinese-fell-out-of-love-with-marriage “Then there is the age factor. Chinese are increasingly getting married later. The largest age group of people getting married in China is now 25-29, compared with 20-24 in the past, while the number of people over the age of 40 registering for marriage has risen sharply.” W-w-who will pay for the Boomers? Themselves. BOOTSTRAPS. “Most parts of China have witnessed a declining marriage rate since 2013. Generally, there is a negative correlation between a region’s growth in gross domestic product and marriage rates.” The (((economists))) don’t say that. “China’s housing prices have been rising sharply since 1998, stressing newlyweds and their parents. Between 2004 and 2018, the outstanding value of individual housing loans increased sixteenfold from 1.6 trillion yuan to 25.8 trillion yuan. In 2018, these mortgages accounted for 54% of residents’ total loans.” Boomer housing bubble strikes again! Kinda like Marxism doesn’t work? Nah, get banks to dole out eternal loans. “In 1982, there were 107.6 boys born for every 100 girls. The figure rose to 110 in 1990, and to118 in 2000. It has since exceeded 120.” When I say they will eventually ban race-mixing, I am not kidding. And where China goes, the rest of Asia soon follows. They will protect their men and their women from foreign conquest. And they’ll be righteous in doing so. Sexual predation is wrong. Poaching from foreign races is degenerate. Mark my words, they WILL bring in laws to retain their women. “There is a growing trend of people getting married and having children later in life, which has created to growing senior-care burden that could become a serious drag on the country’s economy.” K-selection, meet Marxism. The Boomers could always… get a job? “China should take measures to help people who cannot afford to get married and raise children. The government should introduce a comprehensive package of pro-family measures, covering housing, education and health care.” OH YES, THE PROBLEMS CAUSED BY A MARXIST GOVERNMENT… CAN BE SOLVED, WITH MORE MARXIST GOVERNMENT! BRILLIANT JENKINS!
and Asian Millennials are divorcing like Boomers.
Due to economic boom.
The Boomer housing bubble MUST pop. This is not a purely Western problem.
In ‘The Bell Curve: Intelligence and Class Structure in American Life’, Herrnstein and Murray reported a negative relation between intelligence and divorce risks. This article analyses the relationship between intelligence and divorce risks for two different Dutch cohorts, for which data on their intelligence measured during their childhood, are available. A positive relation between intelligence and divorce risk is found for the Dutch fifty-year-olds born around 1940. Among this older cohort, divorced respondents have a higher mean intelligence score than respondents who stayed together with their spouses. However, a negative relation between intelligence and divorce risk is found for the Dutch thirty-year-olds born around 1958. Among this younger cohort, divorced respondents have a lower mean intelligence than respondents who stayed together. A possible explanation of the shift is that the democratisation of divorce over time has altered the nature of divorce from a highly selective to a more normal event.
Or r-types stopped marrying as much, from pressure. Therefore, fewer divorces.
“In multivariable analyses, detection of any HPV infection was significantly associated with reported race of Asian/Pacific Islander…
NonOncogenic HPV infection was independently associated with lifetime number of sexual partners. Circumcision, assessed by clinical examination, was associated with reduced risk of HPV detection across all categories of HPV evaluated. HPV detection in men in the current study was strongly related to sexual behavior and circumcision status. Interventions such as circumcision may provide a low‐cost method to reduce HPV infection.”
Hey, just in case you get a broken leg, get them amputated!
“Significantly higher risk of HPV detection was associated with increasing numbers of lifetime female sexual partners (OR 6.96–9.01 for nononcogenic, any HPV, and oncogenic HPV infections among men reporting ≥50 partners compared to 1 partner), number of female partners in the past 3 months (OR 2.31–3.43 for nononcogenic, any HPV, oncogenic HPV infections among men reporting 3–30 partners compared to no female partners), number of new female partners in the past 3 months (OR 2.64–2.85 for nononcogenic, oncogenic and any HPV type among men with ≥3 new female partners compared to no new partner), and anal sex with either a male or female (OR 1.40–1.45 for any HPV, and oncogenic HPV infections).”
Good luck trying to find studies brave enough to look at anal sex frequency alone! They wouldn’t DARE.
What do they care if men get cancer, right?
Penile cancer is on the rise but do anal and never use a condom because a TV told you to!
Slut shaming also applies to men. Manwhores are disease-ridden.
“For example, the odds ratios for any HPV increased with increasing number of lifetime sexual partners peaking at an odds ratio of 6.65 among men who reported 20–49 partners.”
Er…. that’s well above average.
Here the lifetime partner rate is 4 and likely lower.
“However, the few published studies reporting HPV antibody status among men suggest that a smaller proportion of men than women are HPV antibody positive, despite a high HPV DNA prevalence among men.15″
Men are spreading it.
If I had to mock this, I’d get a tranny to dress up as Lady Gaga and sing “let’s have some fun this beat is sick, I wanna touch you with my cancer stick”… if only people had a sense of humour anymore.
“Don’t think too much, no condom bitch, ’cause porn is God and anal’s quick”
If I had to write the most unPC comedy show ever. No more jokes in this piece, it takes a serious turn.
“Finally, Castellsague et al.8 demonstrated a profound and significant reduction in invasive cervical cancer risk among women whose male partners were circumcised.8″
So… what about male cancer risk? Shouldn’t you study that too?
And they wouldn’t spread HPV if they didn’t catch it being sluts.
Prevention > whatever this is.
They’re basically operating on baby boys, assuming they’ll be manwhores when they’re older.
“HPV16, the most prevalent HPV type in this population (9.9%), also had the highest incidence (10.9/1000 person-months). A high incidence of HPV16 has been similarly reported in other studies among both men6, 7, 9, 14 and women.26 The high rate of acquisition of HPV16 has a clear implication for increasing cancer risk among men and their sexual partners, as HPV16 is the most common HPV type found in penile cancer among men;2 cervical, vulvar and vaginal cancers among women;1, 27 and in anal and oropharyngeal cancers in both sexes.3, 4
If you’re avoiding performing oral on a woman, what makes you think she doesn’t have it in her mouth too and second, you’d better not be doing anal in that case….
Penile HPV IRs in our study were higher in the glans specimen, including the inner foreskin, compared with the shaft (HR=2.1; 95% CI 1.7 to 2.4). Our results are in contrast to the findings of a US study of 240 men.7 In this highly circumcised US population, the cumulative probability of incident HPV infection did not differ by anatomical site (44.3% in glans vs 45.4% in shaft). Among uncircumcised men, there may be a larger disparity in HPV acquisition by penile site, potentially attributable to keratinisation of the glans epithelium and removal of the inner foreskin after circumcision.”
Circumcised men aren’t less likely to catch it.
They’ll catch it somewhere more fatal. Increasing the rate of penile cancer.
Because you literally cannot catch it in a foreskin you NO LONGER HAVE.
So it’s a trick of linguistics. There’s less disease – of the foreskin. That you lack.
This study indicates higher prevalence of sexual risk behaviours among circumcised men in each survey and a reduction in use of condoms with non-marital sexual partners among circumcised men from 2004 to 2011, suggesting that promotion of male circumcision could result in risk compensation.
Considering the high levels of sexual risk behaviours among men who are already
circumcised observed in this study, the Ministry of Health and partners need to continue
sensitising the sexually active population to use condoms even when a man is circumcised. These
messages should target both circumcised men and their sexual partners. Educating men
10 undergoing circumcision also needs to be strengthened to avoid sexual risk taking post
“Data on changes in the sexual performance or sexual satisfaction of adolescents or men following circumcision are limited and conflicting.
Not really. Sunk cost fallacy is strong.
One study conducted among 138 Korean men an unknown time (possibly years) after circumcision found that 20 percent reported decreased sexual pleasure and 8 percent reported increased sexual pleasure following the procedure.3″
“Sixty-four percent of the circumcised men who were available for follow-up at 24 months reported greater penile sensitivity after circumcision, and 54 percent reported enhanced ease in reaching orgasm.6”
That is physically impossible, nerve endings are removed and existing ones covered with scar tissue.
Scar tissue is numb.
“Masturbatory pleasure decreased after circumcision in 48% of the respondents, while 8% reported increased pleasure. Masturbatory difficulty increased after circumcision in 63% of the respondents but was easier in 37%. About 6% answered that their sex lives improved, while 20% reported a worse sex life after circumcision.”
Men deserve to know this.
Sounds like surgical differences. Or maybe the men reporting more sensation had a thicker foreskin, limiting sensation?
“There was a decrease in masturbatory pleasure and sexual enjoyment after circumcision, indicating that adult circumcision adversely affects sexual function in many men, possibly because of complications of the surgery and a loss of nerve endings.”
Possibly? The surgery is intended to remove nerves and nerve endings. It REMOVES.
It’s literally taking away the thing that makes them a man, the crown of their manhood itself, the most important and sexually responsive organ to sexual pleasure.
Circumcision could be contributing to male fertility issues.
“Laumann et al.  found that circumcised men had different sexual practices from genitally altered men. Circumcised men were more likely to masturbate, to engage in heterosexual anal and oral sex, and to engage in homosexual anal sex.
Why does the porn industry want all men circumcised, it’s a mystery.
Masturbation suggests dissatisfaction with normal, spousal sex, as do the others.
In the male rat, removal of the penile sheath markedly interferes with normal penile reflexes and copulation. When circumcised rats were paired with sexually experienced females, they had more difficulty obtaining an erection, more difficulty inserting the penis into the vagina, and required more mounts to inseminate than did unaltered males .
Unusual longevity is not good, it’s a common sign of impotence, porn lies. Difficulty finishing, medically.
Preputial secretions in mice and rats are a strong attractant for female mice and rats [7-11], and may provoke the onset of oestrus in mature females .”
I’m not kidding, impotence issues in performance, it’s tragic.
In addition, if humans do secrete pheromones, I’d expect to see that impact circumcised male fertility especially.
“The study results may reflect the tendency of people to choose the familiar and shun the unfamiliar. In a survey conducted on the Internet, circumcised men were significantly more likely to use additional artificial lubricants during sexual activity (odds ratio, OR = 5.64, 95% CI = 3.65 – 8.71) .”
That’s abnormal you shouldn’t need those, but without a foreskin there’s more friction, the prepuce evolved in men to reduce penile friction. Without the existence of lube, which might cause problems by ingredients, that suggests circumcised men would find it too painful to have sex at all.
Great profit margins for the lube companies though.
“The 12th century physician and rabbi Moses Maimonides advocated male circumcision for its ability to curb a man’s sexual appetite .
Yep, it’s a punishment.
Further, he implied that it could also affect a woman’s sexuality, indicating that once a woman had taken a lover who was not circumcised, it was very hard for her to give him up.
Data supports this, keep reading.
There is a HUGE improvement in sexual performance for intact men.
When you ask the people judging said performance.
The impact of male circumcision on the sexual pleasure experienced by both males and females is largely unstudied. While the brain is often cited as the primary ‘sexual’ organ, what impact does surgical alteration of the male genitalia have for both partners? Based on anecdotal reports, a survey was developed to determine the effect of male circumcision on a woman’s ability to achieve vaginal orgasm (both single and multiple), to maintain adequate vaginal secretions, to develop vaginal discomfort, to enjoy coitus and to develop an intimate relationship with her partner. This review presents the findings of a survey of women who have had sexual partners both with and without foreskins, and reports their experiences.”
“Of the women, 73% reported that circumcised men tend to thrust harder and deeper, using elongated strokes, while unaltered men by comparison tended to thrust more gently, to have shorter thrusts, and tended to be in contact with the mons pubis and clitoris more, according to 71% of the respondents.”
So… the circumcised are bad in bed.No wonder American women don’t orgasm.
Objectively, the only way circumcised men can sexually perform is badly.
None of their behavioral pattern is pleasurable. None of it. Performance is judged by the recipient.
Again, everything porn tells you to do in bed is wrong.
It’s all the stuff that makes men bad in bed – that’s kinda why men enjoy viewing it, psychologically it’s telling them they’re normal by making bad performance in bed appear common and pay women to act aroused, contrary to honest data, like lonely women reading tons of romance novels and telling themselves “there’s nothing wrong with me”!
It’d be easy to test.
Do circumcised men enjoy watching intact men in porn? I’d bet not.
I’d bet they’d feel inferior. You think the industry doesn’t know that?
“While some of the respondents commented that they thought the differences were in the men, not the type of penis, the consistency with which women felt more intimate with their unaltered partners is striking. Some respondents reported that the foreskin improved their sexual satisfaction, which improved the quality of the relationship. In addition to the observations of Maimonides in the 12th century, one survey found that marital longevity was increased when the male had a foreskin . Why the presence of the foreskin enhances intimacy needs further exploration.”
Circumcision increases divorce risk.
The study mentioned is linked below, Hughes, but nobody followed up on it.
Too controversial, plus the timing of his death is ..interesting.
“During prolonged intercourse with their circumcised partners, women were less likely to ‘really get into it’ and more likely to ‘want to get it over with’ (23.32, 11.24-48.39). On the other hand, with their unaltered partners, the reverse was true, they were less likely to ‘want to get it over with’ and considerably more likely to ‘really get into it.'”
“When the women were divided into those with more or fewer than 10 lifetime partners, those with >10 were more likely to have orgasms with their circumcised partners than those with fewer partners, but still less frequent orgasms than they had with their unaltered partners. Women who preferred a circumcised partner overall were more likely to have had <10 partners (3.52, 0.92-13.50).”
i.e. Don’t trust the sluts.
“The women who preferred circumcised partners (as elicited in one of three questions, n=20) were more likely to have had their first orgasm with a circumcised partner (8.38, 2.88-24.35) than those who preferred unaltered partners. Although these women preferred circumcised partners, they still found unaltered partners to evoke more vaginal fluid production, a lower vaginal discomfort rating and fewer complaints (Sets 1 and 2, Table 3) during intercourse than their circumcised partners. In women who preferred circumcised men, there was no difference in their comparison of circumcised and unaltered men other than overall rating and a higher rate of premature ejaculation in their unaltered partners (4.63, 2.36-9.07)
That isn’t premature, that’s normal. The circumcised were demonstrating a sign of impotence.
These women had fewered unaltered partners (2.47 vs. 3.78, Z=-1.68, P=0.045), which suggests that their limited exposure to unaltered men may have been a consequence of ‘premature ejaculation’.
Note the quote marks, they’re actually the normal ones.
The inability to detect a difference in orgasm frequency, coital duration, coital complaints or satisfaction, and ‘yet to formulate a preference’, suggests that factors of conformity may be influential.“
“When women were grouped based on the preputial status of their most recent partner, women with unaltered partners had a higher rate of orgasms with them, at a mean (SEM) of 70 (31%)vs 56 (40%) (Z=2.28, P=0.01). They were more likely to rate circumcised partners lower (Z=-2.61, P0.0047) and unaltered partners higher (Z=2.83, P=0.002). When only women whose most recent partner was circumcised, the results were consistent with the results from the entire study population.”
“When women who preferred vaginal orgasm were compared with those preferring orally or manually induced orgasm, the former rated unaltered men higher (Z=2.12, P=0.016), had more positive post-coital feelings (Set 3; Z=2.68, P=0.003) with their unaltered partners, and rated these men higher overall (Z=2.12, P=0.016).”
It cannot be more obvious.
“When the penile shaft is withdrawn slightly from the vagina, the foreskin bunches up behind the corona in a manner that allows the tip of the foreskin which contains the highest density of fine-touch neuroreceptors in the penis  to contact the corona of the glans which has the highest concentration of fine-touch receptors on the glans . This intense stimulation discourages the penile shaft from further withdrawal, explaining the short thrusting style that women noted in their unaltered partners.
The one they always preferred?
This juxtapostion of sensitive neuroreceptors is also seen in the clitoris and clitoral hood of the Rhesus monkey  and in the human clitoris .”
Men need to be told this nerve information in biology class.
Male is comparable to female circumcision. It causes blatant nerve damage.
It destroys the experience of sexual intensity and intimacy.
It removes neuroreceptors!
“Several respondents commented that the foreskin also makes a difference in foreplay and fellatio. Although this was not directly measured, some respondents commented that unaltered men appeared to enjoy coitus more than their circumcised couterparts.The lower rates of fellatio, masturbation and anal sex among unaltered men  suggests that unaltered men may find coitus more satisfying .“
I try to warn you.
“Clearly, the anatomically complete penis offers a more rewarding experience for the female partner during coitus. While this study has some obvious methodological flaws, all the differences cannot be attributed to them. It is important that these findings be confirmed by a prospective study of a randomly selected population of women with experience with both types of men. It would be useful to examine the role of the foreskin in other sexual activities. Because these findings are of interest, the negative effect of circumcision on the sexual enjoyment of the female partner needs to be part of any discussions providing ‘informed consent’ before circumcision.”
And male enjoyment too. I think they’d wanna know.
20 is Van Howe http://www.cirp.org/library/general/laumann/letters.html#vanhowe
“Of course adult feelings are not so easily dismissed. A preliminary survey of 75 men suggests that the more men know about the important functions of the prepuce, the more likely they are to be dissatisfied about being circumcised.3 Now that an increasing number of men are learning about the prepuce and expressing this dis-satisfaction, clinicians must acknowledge that is impossible to predict how a male infant will feel when he is older. A prudent course of action would be to allow men to make the decision about circumcision themselves when they reach adulthood.”
Men need informed consent, it’s THEIR penis.
“A hypothesis is needed to explain the findings of Laumann et al in the light of the known neurohistology. We suggest that a penis with foreskin and its full complement of neuroreceptors may make heterosexual coitus more satisfying, thereby making the man less likely to seek out alternate forms of stimulation. The only portion of the prepuce remaining in a man with surgically altered genitals is the remnant between the corona and the scar. While there are some fine-touch receptors in this tissue, the most sensitive portion of the prepuce at the tip is removed in even the most moderate circumcision.2 The remaining prepuce and any remaining portions of the frenulum can be preferentially stimulated by masturbation and oral sex, whereas the sensation of deep pressure dominates during hetero- sexual coitus. The imbalance from not having the input from the missing fine touch receptors may make the experience less satisfying, causing a man with an incomplete penis to supplement his sexual experiences with other forms of stimulation.
Explaining the risky sexual behaviors e.g. objecting to condom use. It doesn’t numb them, they’re already numb.
The only reason they want more oral, anal etc is to stimulate the remaining, tiny area of foreskin!
I wonder if the number of bisexual and gay men is lower in prevalence in intact men.
To date the effect of circumcision on sexual function has not been carefully studied. In rodent studies, removal of the prepuce resulted in marked changes in the mechanics of copulation,4 the hormonal response of the female partner, and aggressive behavior. In humans, behavioral alterations have been demonstrated in the pain response of circumcised infants.5 Unfortunately, studies of men circumcised as adults have had too few subjects or differences in sensation were not well documented. Testing penile vibratory thresholds has demonstrated that men experience increasing thresholds with age,
the penis does not age well
while those with premature ejaculation have low thresholds regardless of age.5 Application of this technique could be used to demonstrate if a sensation differences exists between circumcised and uncircumcised men.”
“Our findings may help urologists better counsel men undergoing circumcision as adults. Prospective studies are needed to better understand the relationship between circumcision and sexual function.”
Men deserve to know, informed consent.
This is based on a medically necessary population, not a NORMAL one – note.
“Adult circumcision appears to result in worsened erectile function (p = 0.01), decreased penile sensitivity (p = 0.08), no change in sexual activity (p = 0.22) and improved satisfaction (p = 0.04). Of the men 50% reported benefits and 38% reported harm. Overall, 62% of men were satisfied with having been circumcised.”
They note in bold: “There was no clear sample of normal, healthy, intact men for comparison. Even so, thirty-eight percent of the circumcised men were dissatisfied with the results of their circumcision.”
It isn’t surprising you couldn’t find healthy adult men willing to chop off the most sensitive part of their manhood.
“John G. Swadey, MD (New England Journal of Medicine, 1987) states that circumcised men show a “somewhat higher incidence of genital warts, nongonococcal urethritis and scabies.“”
“Our survey suggests that there is a difference between the sexuality of the circumcised and uncircumcised male during his lifetime. It also suggests that the uncircumcised male has a more favorable sexual compatibility in his marriage.
During my experiences in medicine and surgery, occasionally there arose the question of circumcision and sexual compatibility. It seemed to me that the uncircumcised male had less of a problem in sexual compatibility.”
Sadly, he died before we could see his data.
Someone else, do the study!
Do circumcised men around the world also have higher divorce rates?
Easy to observe.
The UK, latest from newspaper article:
“The latest divorce figures, released last year, revealed the divorce rate for heterosexual couples in the UK was at a 45-year low, with 101,669 divorces of heterosexual couples in England and Wales.”
And we have low circumcision rates, mostly religious.
“The new statistics showed a steep drop in the number of circumcisions performed in the United States.
The CDC data, reported by the New York Times, showed that the incidence of circumcision declined from 56 percent in 2006 to 32.5 percent in 2009. According to these statistics, non-circumcision or genital integrity has become the normal condition among newborn boys in the United States.”
“A Federal judge in Detroit, Michigan, has ruled that the Federal United States law criminalising any form of female genital mutilation (FGM) is unconstitutional.”
“Critics have since pointed out that these observations are equally applicable to circumcision of boys and that there were also grounds for finding the FGM law unconstitutional in the basis that it denied equal treatment to males.”
They’re pushing FGM because male is considered legal.
Two wrongs do make a right?
“It is thus perfectly obvious that circumcision does not significantly reduce a male’s risk of contracting an STD, and that organisations (such as the American Academy of Pediatrics and Centers for Disease Control itself) who identify prevention of STDs as the most important “benefit” of circumcision, do not know what they are talking about. There is in fact evidence going back to the 1850s that circumcised men are at greater risk of gonorrhoea and other urethral infections than men with normal genitalia. It may be that the foreskin acts as a barrier to the entry of certain pathogens.”
I wonder if circumcised men are likelier to carry super gonorrhea.
Seems like it.
“A study of a rural community in South Africa has found that circumcised men generally are more likely to be infected with HIV, and that males circumcised in hospitals are 20 per cent more likely to be HIV positive than those left intact. Where 24 per cent of uncut men were found to be HIV positive, the incidence of HIV among males circumcised in hospitals was 31 per cent. These findings have come as a shock to the South African Medical authorities who have been following the orders of US and WHO health officials and “rolling out” the provision of mass circumcision as a response to the nation’s AIDS crisis. As the authors of the report comment ruefully, it seems that when it comes to the spread of HIV, anatomy is less important than behaviour – exactly what critics of the circumcision programs have been arguing for years. In fact, many other studies have found that in the real world there are many regions in Africa where there is little or no difference in the incidence of HIV infection between cut and uncut men, and that in quite a few places cut men are more likely to be HIV positive.” http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0201445
We sought to quantify early deaths following neonatal circumcision (same hospital admission) and to identify factors associated with such mortality. We performed a retrospective analysis of all patients who underwent circumcision while hospitalized during the first 30 days of life from 2001-2010 using the National Inpatient Sample (NIS). Over 10 years, 200 early deaths were recorded among 9,899,110 subjects (1 death per 49,166 circumcisions). Note: this figure should not be interpreted as causal but correlational: it may include both under-counting and over-counting of deaths attributable to circumcision. Compared to survivors, subjects who died following newborn circumcision were more likely to have associated co-morbid conditions, such as cardiac disease (OR: 697.8 [378.5-1286.6] p<0.001), coagulopathy (OR: 159.6 [95.6-266.2] p<0.001), fluid and electrolyte disorders (OR: 68.2 [49.1-94.6] p<0.001), or pulmonary circulatory disorders (OR: 169.5 [69.7-412.5] p<0.001). Recognizing these factors could inform clinical and parental decisions, potentially reducing associated risks.”
“A recent judgment by a lower court in Germany brought the problem of ritual male circumcision to the consciousness of the wider public and legal academia. This essay weighs in on this emerging discussion and argues that ritual male circumcision is not covered by parental authority because it violates the human rights of the boy on whom it is imposed. It first considers and dismisses the best interest test of parental authority which, by focusing on the well-being of the child as opposed to his (future) autonomy, fails to take the boy’s human rights sufficiently into account. Instead, the essay proposes what it terms the autonomy conception of parental authority, according to which parental authority must be exercised such as to ensure that the child will become an autonomous adult. While parents may raise their child in line with their ethical, including religious, convictions, respect for his autonomy requires that this be done in a way that allows the child to later distance himself from these values; this implies, among other things, that irreversible physical changes are impermissible. This conclusion holds even if it could be assumed that the child would later come to endorse his circumcision: a proper understanding of autonomy implies that the religious sacrifice of a body part can only be authorised by the person whose body it is. Thus, ritual male circumcision is outside the scope of parental authority because it usurps the child’s right and responsibility to become the author of his own life.”
“The statement is at pains to point out that the evidence as to the benefits and risks of circumcision is contradictory and inconclusive, and that much of it is of poor quality, especially studies claiming to show that circumcision has little impact on sexual sensation and function. The final conclusion is that while circumcision does offer some advantages, they are small, can be achieved by other, non-surgical means, and are outweighed by the risks and harms. This being the case, routine circumcision is not justified as a health measure and cannot be recommended.”
Very good news, their bold title:
… circumcision advocates have nowhere left to hide
The terms of the debate about non-therapeutic circumcision of minors have changed. The issue is no longer whether the so-called “benefits” outweigh the risks, or even whether the benefits outweigh the risks and harms. (As for the troglodytes who still mutter about pros and cons …) Coming on top of the judgement of a German court that circumcision is bodily harm and that it violates the child’s right to religious freedom, a leading legal philosopher now argues that boys have an inherent right not to be circumcised without medical need. In a paper forthcoming in Health Matrix, Stephen Munzer argues that current norms of autonomy and bodily integrity give male minors “a moral, anticipatory right-in-trust not to be circumcised without a medical indication.” Even more remarkably, it is now conceded by a prominent defender of religious/cultural circumcision that the practise is harmful and does violate the rights of the child. Writing in the Journal of Applied Philosophy, Joseph Mazor acknowledges the physical and moral harms of circumcision and admits that the child has “a right of moderate strength” not to be subjected to “presumably harmful circumcision”.
Both Munzer and Mazor go on to argue that, given the importance of circumcision within the cultural/religious communities that follow this tradition, the practice should not be criminalised.
You admit it’s abuse, fuck you.
Religious rape isn’t legal either.
This is a fair point, far less important than the vital concession that circumcision is harmful and does violate the rights of the child to bodily integrity, personal autonomy and an open future. The argument about these points is over; the debate now is whether non-therapeutic circumcision is or should be illegal.
You’d have to re-write all abuse laws, NO.
No means NO.
Stephen Munzer. Examining nontherapeutic circumcision. Health Matrix 28 (1) 2018: 1-77 (in press). Full text at SSRN.
“The United States, a nation with 4.5% of the world’s population, consumes 47% of the world’s Viagra (Pfizer’s own figures). Turns out the same nation has been circumcising the majority of its male infants for generations.” “A new study in the International Journal of Men’s Health shows that circumcised men have a 4.5 times greater chance of suffering from erectile dysfunction (ED) than intact men, revealing what appears to be a significant acquisition vector. Other studies have previously observed that circumcision’s damage results in worsened erectile functioning, inability to maintain an erection, and reducing the glans sensitivity, including an overall penis sensitivity reduction by 75%. A recent study discovered that premature ejaculation is five times more likely when adjusted for erectile dysfunction and circumcision.”
Full links in that article. It’s sickening how people try to justify this.
If the kid won’t get it done at 18, why does the parent want it done against their will?
An idiot theorized in “Body Pleasure and the Origins of Violence”, that societal violence is caused by lack of pleasure, a theory so ridiculous if one only looks at Africa – highly sexual, high rape rate, high murder rate. It’s actually IQ. Sexual and violence behaviors differ according to standard IQ deviations, it is well known most violent criminals are less intelligent, yet highly promiscuous.
However, nations of high circumcision uptake do report more violence.
It’s also a proxy for low IQ, the practice of circumcision in countries predicts lower national IQ. I wonder if the circumcised are more likely to be low IQ, a correlation?
The UK used to circumcise more often until the NHS came along and didn’t allow doctors to charge for it, suddenly it ceased to be medically necessary! The foreskin is the primary erogenous organ in men, the area in adults is 3×5 inches, with 50,000 nerve endings. Minor circumcision is a human rights crisis.
“In Norway, the only country that records the circumcision status of rapists, 2% of the population are circumcised and commit more than 80% of their rapes. And, since 1991 almost all wars involved one circumcised country with some conflicts between both factions being circumcised. This includes all USA conflicts since Vietnam.
Wouldn’t it be hilarious if religion had nothing to do with war, just circumcision?
No other statistical records are kept regarding the individual and social percentile circumcision status of serial killers or rapists. Yet, over 50% of rapes in Sweden are perpetrated by the minority of men who belong to circumcising cultures. Circumcision status may factor highly in the USA’s highest of all other country’s incarceration rate to population.”
“Original FBI’s Criminal Profilers who led the Behavioral Science Unit in Quantico, Virginia know circumcision is a factor in some serial killings and partly responsible for America’s generalized asocial violence.”
“It has been inferred Robert Ressler, in an off the record comment when interviewed by Mothering Magazine’s web-editor, related the fact that the FBI realizes circumcision is a factor in violence. He explained they do not mention this because they would be considered raving lunatics and lose their jobs. Robert Ressler coined the term Serial Killer.”
“Circumcision was associated with frequent orgasm difficulties in Danish men and with a range of frequent sexual difficulties in women, notably orgasm difficulties, dyspareunia and a sense of incomplete sexual needs fulfilment. Thorough examination of these matters in areas where male circumcision is more common is warranted.”
“Illustrative to a still further degree of the point made above concerning the ineffectualness of the present penal system are the results of a comparison of the percentages for recidivism with those for long-term sentences.
Losing the death penalty is a mistake.
As may be seen above, although 56.7% of offenders are recidivistic or habitual offenders and hence incorrigible in the main, as has been mentioned above, only 16% to 23% are serving long term sentences. This fact, then, signifies that the greater per cent of recidivists are serving terms of more or less brevity. That little benefit to society may be expected from such terms is not to be doubted since sentences of three to five and even ten years are without effect upon recidivistic offenders and possess value only by virtue of segregating the offender for a while and thus sparing society a greater or less number of crimes.3‘ At best, such sentences, in so far as recidivists are concerned, constitute nothing more than a flimsy makeshift in dealing with the problem of repeated criminality. In-deed, the statistics of crime as well as the teachings of history confirm the absolute inadequacy of the present system of punishments against crime.12
Especially is this so in regard to the feebleminded recidivists who are accountable for a full 25% of the entire problem of repeated criminality and whose deficiency of intelligence effectually and completely militates against any possibility of regeneration or correction. That penalties are established by statutes and are based wholly upon a consideration of the material act constitutes an actual social injury since society thereby derives a false sense of having adequately and securely provided against a danger.
Because men are NOT made equal, biologically.
They should study criminal’s children to be sure.
In reality, it has not, for the harm is merely postponed. Commitment to prison should be determined not by the nature of the offense but by the nature of the offender, 33 and with a view toward the causes of the delinquency, the effect upon the individual, and the moral prognosis.3 4 Only in this way may adequate social provision be made for the warped, deficient, defective, and unregenerate enemies of the social order.”
Prison doesn’t work.
We know now from MRI psychopaths and other types literally gain pleasure from other’s pain and experience no/less fear and a neutral response to appeals for mercy. Something biologically less humane requires other treatment.
page 14 on the pdf looks at crime type
Married men are less likely to be criminals (selected by women)?
“Accordingly, the assumption of the stabilizing influence of marriage appears well substantiated. Or, it may be that the fundamental constitution of the delinquent is of such a nature that he is frequently antagonistic toward the assumption and maintenance of marital duties and thus fails even to experience contact with any presumably stabilizing influences of marriage. At any rate, marriage, together with any of the beneficial influences it may exert upon the individual, is of markedly less frequent occurrence among criminal classes than among the general population”
“That slightly over 50% of criminals, including even the low grade morons, are married with the consequently increased possibilities of the propagation of the species is somewhat disheartening.”
Er, why isn’t there a basic legal requirement of an IQ test to marry?
Low IQ people cannot consent. To prove they can consent.
“This equality of incidence is strongly suggestive that the criminally inclined nature, regardless of intellectual endowment, is fundamentally lacking in those personal and social requisites essential for the assumption and maintenance of marital duties. Or it may be that this marked prevalence of divorce indicates the failure of the stabilizing influences of marriage and home life because of the inherent instability of the criminal classes preventing the reception of any such benefits.”
Part of the reason bachelors are looked down on.
And divorced men.
“As it is, the percentages of actually disrupted marriages range from 29 for the low grade morons to 36% for the group of subnormal intelligence and 32% for the normal intelligence group. And when it is considered that 36% to 58% of the groups respectively are still within the age group of 21 to 30 years, it is reasonable to suppose that a contrasting of these percentages with figures for a like proportion of the geners1 population would render the above figures comparably much higher.
However, from a eugenical point of view as regards the propagation of the species, this high percentage of disrupted marriages is a most hopeful sign.”
Let idiots get divorced!
“It will be noted at once that the greater number of children and the greater number of families with children occur in the groups of deficient intelligence, particularly so in the low grade moron group. This is quite in accord with the findings of other investigators and the generally conceived opinion of the greater fecundity of the classes of deficient intelligence.61”
R-selection, lower quality per child.
“And another investigation of the Harvard Graduates of 1894 revealed 20% without children, 13.1% with one child, 18.1% with two children, 22.5% with three children, and 25.5% with four or more children. 65 This makes an average of 2.44 children for each individual, a figure which gives the college bred man of Harvard the lead over even the low grade moron delinquent. Further, it has been estimated by Kehrer that the proportion of childless marriages for civilized countries ranges between 10% and 15%,”; which means that the ordinary middle-class citizen, taking the criminalistic and the college-bred classes as the extremes, bears the burden of restocking the population.”
I bet that isn’t true now, they think they’re too good to have kids!
And that explains dwindling IQ compared to the Victorians, the middle class were less intelligent and the upper class dropped the ball. The middle class only seem intelligent due to their education.
“The above table shows clearly that the foreign-born stock does produce more than its due quota of our specified delinquents, especially so in regard to those of deficient intelligence. This is most marked regarding the low grade morons, where the foreign-born stock produces more than 235% of its due quota of offenders as determined by population ratios while the proportions for the other three groups ranges from 125% for the group of normal intelligence to 144% for the high grade feebleminded delinquents.
This finding is substantiated by the findings of the Immigration Commission of 1910.98 and also by Laughlin in his report to the Congressional Committee. 99 And similar findings have been reported by the Massachusetts Department of Corrections.'” In addition, Laughlin also found that the second generation of foreign stock had an increased crime incidence over and above that of foreign stock in general, probably because that generation represents the transitional stage between the discarding of the customs of the old country and the adopting of those of the new. Undoubtedly this fact accounts for a proportion of the increased percentages in the above table. Obviously then, there is an undeniable danger in the admission of unselected foreign stock, both from the aspect of their own undesirability and from the aspect of their reproduction of their kind. Hence, there is an unquestionable and appealing need of a closer and more intelligent supervision of immigration, with more ample provision for the means of so doing.”
You lost the war.
You know you did.
“A second consideration evident from the above table is the increase among offenders of individuals having one parent foreign-born and the other native-born. The percentages given above nearly double that for the general population. Various investigations have shown that there is a decided tendency for the home of mixed parental nativity to produce delinquents.”°
No, it’s because they’re mixed race.
That went off on a tangent but a potentially relevant one.
“Increases in interracial marriage have been interpreted as reflecting reduced social distance among racial and ethnic groups, but little is known about the stability of interracial marriages. Using six panels of Survey of Income and Program Participation (N = 23,139 married couples), we found that interracial marriages are less stable than endogamous marriages, but these findings did not hold up consistently. After controlling for couple characteristics, the risk of divorce or separation among interracial couples was similar to the more-divorce-prone origin group. Although marital dissolution was found to be strongly associated with race/ethnicity, the results failed to provide evidence that interracial marriage is associated with an elevated risk of marital dissolution.”
This is like saying cars don’t kill people, brakes do.
“As the U.S. population has grown increasingly diverse, it is important to update prior research to include interracial marriages involving Asians and Hispanics, especially given that they are more likely to intermarry (with non-Hispanic Whites) than are Blacks”
so if you’re so concerned about race, screeching at the weebs is your duty. Mudsharks already hate themselves. Asiaphiles are oddly proud of it.
Thousands of years of evolution down the drain. Bet his WW2-fighting grandparents would be proud.
“In their study of multiracial identification among those with Black, Asian, or Hispanic backgrounds, Lee and Bean (2007) found that those with Black backgrounds more consistently identified as Black and not multiracial (similar to the “one-drop” rule as applied in the past), whereas those with Hispanic and, especially, Asian backgrounds exhibited more flexibility and choice in racial/ethnic identification and were more likely to identify as multiracial. Lee and Bean (2007) concluded that these patterns illustrated the salience of the color line that continues to divide Blacks from non-Blacks in U.S. society.”
So the existential risk to team white is team yellow.
If you’re being scientific.
“The homogamy perspective predicts that interracial marriages will be less stable than same-race marriages. Thus, Black-White marriages are expected to be more likely to divorce than either Black or White endogamous marriages; similarly, Asian-White marriages are expected to be more likely to divorce than either Asian or White endogamous marriages. The homogamy perspective further leads to the expectation that the stronger the racial boundary of the two groups represented in the couple, the greater the risk of divorce. Thus, Black-White marriages are expected to be at greater risk of divorce than Hispanic-White or Asian-White marriages.”
Although there is a speculated convergence (I’d guess once you control for class/money) that is similar to mixed race IQ being the mean of both sub-par parents (and so dragged lower).
“For example, he found that Chinese-White couple divorce rates fell somewhere in between divorce rates of Chinese and White endogamous marriages.”
“Similarly, Hispanic-White and Asian-White marriages would be expected to be more likely to dissolve than Hispanic or Asian endogamous marriages but less likely than White endogamous marriages”
But that hypothesis isn’t what actually happens and it’d be a more dramatic shift if you removed the religious couples from consideration, only counting those who could be allowed to divorce.
Atheists are more likely to divorce overall, but it’s hard to find studies.
Are they more likely to race mix? Probably.
“Therefore, according to the ethnic convergence hypothesis, immigrant-native marriages would be expected to have divorce risks that fall between those of immigrant-immigrant marriages and native-native marriages. Also, if Hispanic and Asian interracial marriages are less likely to divorce, this could be because so many of these marriages involve immigrants. After controlling for immigration characteristics, the effects of interracial marriage should diminish for these couples”
Another thing to control, desperation to retain citizenship.
“To assess the homogamy and ethnic convergence hypotheses, it is important to control for correlated factors. Individual-level socioeconomic and demographic characteristics are associated with interracial marriage and are important predictors of divorce.”
Gold diggers gonna dig.
“Finally, while having young child(ren) has been shown to increase marital stability, this effect often decreased as the child(ren) grew older (Cherlin, 1977).”
Babies won’t protect you (actually they stress a marriage, especially if had too soon).
“In addition to the socioeconomic and demographic characteristics of individuals, it is critical to control for couple-level characteristics.”
Dare you to count 10-score sexual attractiveness compared to their in-group.
That would burn.
“The homogamy perspective stresses that partner differences in any socially significant characteristics—not just race—may increase the risk of divorce, and spouses in interracial couples may differ on multiple characteristics. For example, Tucker and Mitchell-Kernan (1990) found that the age gap was larger for interracially married couples than other couples. Partners in interracial couples may also differ with respect to nativity and citizenship. Interracial marriages between immigrants and U.S.-born natives may be at greater risk of divorce because of partner differences in their reasons for entering the relationship.
Prostitution is a reason.
Kalmijn et al. (2005) found that larger cultural differences between the husband and wife increased the risk of divorce.
Breaking news: water, wet.
In addition, marriage to U.S. citizens may serve as a legal means to immigrate for many foreigners.
For that reason, no, it isn’t legal, and the other spouse has also broken the law by using that to gain power too. Technically the marriage wouldn’t count, since it was conditional as duress to defraud their nation (so also treason).
Such marriages may be motivated by the desire to obtain U.S. citizenship rather than love or companionship, as evidenced in many cases in France (Neyrand & M’Sili, 1998) and the Netherlands (Kalmijn et al., 2005).”
I ain’t sayin’ she a gold digger.. but she reaching for that green card n—er.
“Finally, group-level characteristics, such as marriage cohort, region of residence, religion, and women’s changing status, may be associated with divorce or separation (Trent & South, 1989). For example, interracial marriage has been more prevalent in the West than other parts of the country (Tucker & Mitchell-Kernan, 1990), and marital instability has been more common in the West than other regions, although this relationship has varied by race (Sweeney & Phillips, 2004) and has weakened over the years (Castro Martin & Bumpass, 1989).”
Because less get married in the first place!
“The majority (93.5%) of the couples in our sample were endogamous, including 77.4% White-White, 6.4% Black-Black, 7% Hispanic-Hispanic, and 2.7% Asian-Asian couples. The remaining 6.5% of couples were interracially married (including 1% White-Black, 3.5% White-Hispanic, and 1.4% White-Asian pairings, as well as 0.6% of all types of minority-minority marriages combined).
There are far more total Asian-White couples than White-Black, if you’re going to criticize anyone.
1% mulatto vs. 4.9% genetic Asian admixture. Who’s the, ahem, “race traitor?”
Consistent with prior studies (e.g., Qian, 1997), there are distinct racial/ethnic differences in being in an interracial marriage (results not shown). Blacks are substantially less likely than Hispanics or Asians to have a White spouse (10.1% vs. 23.5% and 24.6%, respectively).”
Africans aren’t stealing da white wimmin.
Statistically. This isn’t the 19th century. Your assumptions are outdated.
“Over one third of interracial couples (34.5%) involved a foreign-born person married to a U.S. native compared with just 4.2% of endogamous couples.”
Yeah. She a gold digger.
Isn’t that slave ownership?
Most slaves are sex slaves.
Made obvious in the final study here. What happens when a slave gets out of line?
“Consistent with the first homogamy hypothesis, interracial marriages are less stable: 13.7% of interracial couples compared with 9.9% of endogamous couples broke up during their SIPP panel.”
“The descriptive results also confirm the second homogamy hypothesis in which mixed-race couples involving the most socially distant groups (e.g., Blacks and Whites) were most likely to break up: nearly 20% of Black-White couples divorced or separated compared with 13.5% of Hispanic-White couples and 8.4% of Asian-White couples.”
Hispanics are genetic Asian, that data is rigged.
Total Asian-White divorce should be 10.95%.
They should also break down by sex, so Asian Male, White Female or White Male, Asian Female for specific divorce risk per individual by demo.
If they controlled for IQ distance between the couples, that’d explain most of the divorce. Hard to steer a marriage when one party is pedaling backwards.
“For Asians, however, the results were consistent with the ethnic convergence hypothesis”
No you tortured the statistics into excluding most of the Asian population in America.
Shell games don’t impress me.
“Roughly 8.3% of Asian-White couples separated or divorced, a level that falls between the relatively high rates for White couples and the relatively low rates among Asian couples (1.4%).”
You said 8.4 earlier.
8.4/1.4 = 6x (times) the average intra-racial Asian divorce risk thanks to Asian-European miscegenation?
And they think that’s a good finding. Don’t piss down my back and tell me it’s raining Zhang.
So this isn’t even good for the Asians with white fever. Since they’re marrying the dregs. They can’t even say it’s better for waifu.
“This may be a consequence of potential problems facing interracial couples including stress, social disapproval, and cultural differences. Furthermore, interracial couples differ from endogamous couples in important ways that may elevate the risk of divorce (such as greater age and education differences between spouses). To test this idea, we turn next to the multivariate hazards models.”
Nothing about racism and the urge to control, how weird.
Almost like they’re encouraging mixing whatever the cost.
“In general, younger age of first marriage, age and educational differences among the spouses (particularly when the husband is more than two years younger or less educated than the wife); lower levels of education (less than college); lower income; and having no or fewer young children were significantly associated with marital instability.”
So lower quality individuals choose to mix.
Stupidity, poverty, atheist fertility predict their divorce (and decision to have wed in the first place).
“Interracial couples tend to have higher incomes and older ages at marriage (both of which are associated with lower rates of dissolution), so these characteristics cannot explain their higher levels of divorce or separation.”
I smell bullshit.
If they wed, bed and divorce like idiots…
could they be idiots? Why u no publish IQ data?
“Although, mixed marriages are also more likely to involve larger differences in age and education between spouses (consistent with the first homogamy hypothesis), which could partially explain their higher risks of marital dissolution.”
There we go.
Almost like marrying a virtual child (age gap) is unpleasant, too.
“Unexpectedly, however, the addition of controls for nativity/citizenship status did not alter the hazard ratio associated with interracial marriage.”
“Thus far, the results support the first homogamy hypothesis, though the support was rather weak.”
Despite your best efforts to obscure it? Sure Zhang.
“Interracial marriage was positively associated with marital dissolution net of couple characteristics, but this relationship was only marginally significant (p < .10).”
“We presented the hazard ratios for race/ethnicity only, although the full models are available to interested readers upon request.”
For a laugh:
All four hazard models.
“Nevertheless, the results were consistent with the second homogamy hypothesis in that the risk of marital dissolution was highest among Black-White couples, followed by Hispanic-White, minority-minority couples, and finally, Asian-White couples.”
“Among Asians, the hazard of divorce or separation for interracial couples fell between that of Asian and White endogamous couples but the difference from White couples was not significant, thus failing to fully support Hypothesis 4. We had also hypothesized that nativity and citizenship between spouses of Hispanic and Asian interracial couples may help explain their higher risks of marital dissolution (Hypothesis 5). This idea was not fully supported because interracial marriages involving Hispanics or Asians did not experience elevated hazards of dissolution (so there were no significant differences to explain). Nevertheless, nativity and citizenship did help explain the relatively low risks of instability among Hispanic and Asian endogamous couples. When we added controls for nativity and citizenship in Model 4, the hazards for Hispanic and Asian endogamous couples increased, thereby narrowing the difference from both White couples and interracial couples. In fact, the difference between Hispanic-White and Hispanic-Hispanic couples became insignificant after controlling for citizenship and nativity in Model 4”
In short, when Trump lets the waifus out and relieves them of their fraudulent green cards, expect a lot of divorce. MAGA.
Then again… there are other kinks to iron out.
“Among Hispanic-White couples, Hispanic husband-White wife were no more likely to dissolve than White or Hispanic endogamous couples.”
You see why religion must be controlled for.
“The contribution of this study is that it examines the instability of interracial marriage among Whites, Blacks, Hispanics, and Asians in contemporary American society, an era marked by increasing diversity and increasing prevalence of interracial marriage. Overall, although marital dissolution was found to be strongly associated with race/ethnicity, the results failed to provide evidence that interracial marriage per se is associated with an elevated risk of marital dissolution. “
No, you failed to provide evidence. You.
Shit methodology, son.
“Our results do show that, on the whole, interracial marriages are less stable than endogamous marriages, even after controlling for couple characteristics.”
“When we divided the results by race/ethnicity, the results were only partially consistent with the homogamy perspective.”
Despite your best efforts to minimize, consistent.
They should also study second-generation race-mixing, since the mixed tend only to reproduce with one another.
“Rather, the most consistent result was that the risks of divorce for interracial couples for all combinations (Black-White, Hispanic-White, and Asian-White) were not significantly different from those of the higher-risk origin group.”
That’s still divorce. More divorce. Quit trying to spin it.
“Even after pooling six SIPP panels together, the number of interracial couples was small, which may have contributed to the insignificant findings.”
They are very abnormal, Hollywood lies.
“In our study, the effects of certain racial/ethnic combinations were similar for both men and women once controls were introduced into the models (e.g., among Asians and Hispanics).”
Appealing to “alpha” won’t work on this one.
Now for another paper I’m sure cannot be biased by one “Choi”…
Plot twist: The modern mudshark is a statistically divorced man remarrying Asian.
I wonder why they never mention this.
“The two most frequently crossed boundaries – those involving White-Asian and White-Hispanic couples – are more permeable in remarriages than in first marriages. Boundaries that are crossed with less frequency – those between minority groups and the White-Black boundary-are less permeable in remarriages than in first marriages. Collectively, these findings suggest that racial and ethnic sorting processes in remarriage may reify existing social distances between pan-ethnic groups. Racial and ethnic variations in how the relative permeability of boundary changes between first and higher-order marriages underscore the importance of considering a broad array of interracial pairings when assessing the ways in which changes in family structure and marital sorting behavior promote integration.”
From the male (decision) side:
So white men are the race traitors. Interesting.
White genocide, blame Yellow Fever.
“Tabular results also reveal that for Hispanic and Asian women, intermarriage rates are higher in remarriages than in first marriages. One-third of Asian women wed non-Asian men in their first marriage, but over half did so in remarriage”
Because they couldn’t get a white woman (again).
Hit that Wall hard, huh? Study adiposity, come on.
And it’s obvious white fever in the Asian’s case, a third!
It isn’t the race-mixing white women.
“Eight percent of White women cross ethno-racial boundaries in first marriage, as compared with 6 percent of White women who remarry.”
They seem to learn their lesson.
Table 4 shows the college brainwashing.
They definitely won’t spy on you.
“better-educated women are more likely than their educationally disadvantaged counterparts to cross racial and ethnic boundaries in marriage”
The women are brainwashed too. But it’s also seeking IQ parity, upper-class women typically went to college to find husbands, so more studies are needed and more white men allowed in the Western universities that are their birthright.
“It is conceivable that White-Hispanic and White-Asian marriages likely become even more common in remarriage when third party controls weaken following the dissolution of a first union
They ignore their family’s wishes, bad sons should be disinherited.
and previously married individuals face experience limited availability of co-ethnic potential partners (Kalmijn, 1998; Schwartz, 2013).”
Can’t get a white woman!
Right there! Ouch.
“Other scholarship claims that cultural dissimilarities between spouses increase marital conflict and instability by reducing the basis for spousal consensus and mutual understanding between spouses (Hohmann-Marriott and Amato, 2008; Kalmijn, 1998; Schwartz, 2013; Zhang and Van Hook, 2009).
Presumably, couples that exit minority-only interracial marriages avoid similar unions in remarriage, preferring instead to form remarry endogamously, to wed a White partner the next time around, or forego marriage entirely.”
Using white people, again. So the white people are also getting dregs in the arrangement.
It’s like the marital equivalent of busing kids in to improve test scores.
“Descriptive tabulations show that one-in-three women who remarried wed never-married husbands, but only one-in-ten first time brides wed previously married men.”
Yeah if he failed as a husband once, why bet on a lame horse?
He didn’t keep his vows the first time. What a catch! (Throw it back!)
“These analyses, which indicate whether in couples’ mixed marital experiences biased the estimates of boundary crossing in first and subsequent marriages, reaffirm the reported results.”
So in many mixed re-marriages, the previously married party is the dregs of their group.
“base the analyses on recent unions” K.
“Partly this resulted because many large government surveys, such as the decennial census, stopped collecting information about marital order.”
Because it makes men look bad.
“In the context of rising intermarriage and remarriage rates, our study underscores the importance of disaggregating marriage order to clarify whether, in what ways, and for which groups changes in coupling behavior promote integration. Collecting data that permits these distinctions is necessary to avoid conflating potentially divergent intermarriage trends in first and higher order unions, some of which are driven by racial and ethnic differences in divorce rates.”
Oh, they know.
Most starter marriages are male-led affairs, they think (wrongly, QED) they can always trade up later (not to be entered into lightly….) and abandoning wife #1 has no social consequences.
So re-marrying men are largely to blame for the huge divorce rates. Good to know.
This explains why they rarely make it male-led data.
“This pattern, which is consistent with past findings, suggests that low barriers to social interaction across racial and ethnic groups when coupled with suboptimal marriage market conditions and weakened third party control can facilitate interracial remarriages for these groups (Aguirre et al., 1995; Fu, 2010; Kalmijn, 1998; Schwartz, 2013).”
Random re-marriage should be illegal, it’s like flunking a driving test but serious. A society that lets adults (who should be mature enough to commit) re-marry capriciously like infinite respawns is condemning the culture, religion, spouses and children to the misery of an insecure life. What a betrayal.
They bitch about masculinity, when comes the manning-up? Men were respected when they stuck out their duties. Don’t take it on if you don’t mean it.
“Prior studies suggest that cultural dissimilarities between partners diminish grounds for spousal consensus, leading to conflictive, unstable marriages at high risk of dissolution (Hohmann-Marriott and Amato, 2008). In remarriage, previously married men and women from mixed-race unions may revise their mate criteria to avoid similar forms of partner incompatibility (Dean and Gurak, 1978).”
Except stupid white guys with yellow fever.
I wonder if they’re more likely porn addicts. That would be an entertaining study.
“Stated differently, intermarriage studies restricted to White-Black couples render an incomplete portrayal of mate selection behavior in the context of an ever more diverse society.”
They may not be getting married but they’re having more children than the white guys with Yellow Fever. It’s typical atheist sub-fertility so given the standard, limited dating patterns their grand-kids will be a quarter black.
“In similar fashion, although prior work shows that characteristics of spouses interact in shaping mate selection behavior (Fu, 2010), our data do not permit consideration of the joint distribution of spouses’ characteristics. We report analyses based on intermarriage patterns pegged to wives’ characteristics; however, auxiliary analyses based on husbands’ attributes yielded similar conclusions.”
Since the male proposes, it should be male-led data.
Look for r-selection traits and that’ll resolve most of it.
“How the mate selection behavior of widowed and divorced individuals is largely uncharted and certainly warrants investigation.”
Women are more likely to be widowed, men divorced, that’s why they don’t look for it – it makes the men look heartless.
“marriage confers legal rights and obligations, many of which are not extended to cohabiting couples (child support is a notable exception)”
It shouldn’t be, don’t have kids with someone you haven’t married first, or at least don’t expect the authority of a husband over a woman you didn’t yoke yourself to. If a man wants “his” kids so much, he should be taking primary care of them – not fobbing them off on a foreign nanny like some high-powered executive (daycare is abusive). The low IQ nanny normalization may be responsible for divorced children’s lower IQs.
“Specifically, racial and ethnic profile of former cohabiting partners are seldom recorded in US data suitable for analyzing inter-racial coupling behavior (e.g., ACS, Census, NSFG).”
“The exclusion of interracial cohabitation will understate the extent to which couples cross ethnic and racial boundaries in forming co-residential interracial unions given that interracial unions are more likely than same-race unions to start and remain as a cohabitation (Kreider, 2000; Rodriguez-Garcia, 2015).”
“Despite the growing number of interethnic marriages in the U.S., few studies have examined intimate partner violence (IPV) in interethnic couples. This article examined past-year occurrences of IPV across interethnic and intra-ethnic couples and tested correlates of IPV specifically in interethnic couples. Data were from a national survey of couples 18 years of age and older from the 48 contiguous states. Interethnic couples (n = 116) included partners from different ethnic backgrounds, including black-white, Hispanic-white, and black-Hispanic couples. White (n = 555), black (n = 358), and Hispanic (n = 527) intra-ethnic couples included partners with the same ethnicity. Data analyses were prevalence rates and logistic regressions. The analyses showed that interethnic couples were comparatively younger and had shorter relationships than intra-ethnic white, black, and Hispanic couples.
Male partners in interethnic couples had higher rates of binge drinking and alcohol problems compared to male partners in intra-ethnic couples.
So much for happy mixing. Stock photos lied to me?
Still no mention of racism, so a white male hitting a non-white is okay if you’re married to them? Surely it’s more racist to treat them like breeding sows and sexual concubines.
Past year prevalence rates for any occurrence of IPV and acts of severe IPV were higher for interethnic couples relative to intra-ethnic couples.
Why isn’t this mentioned in Sex Ed?
Most occurrences of IPV for interethnic couples were mutual.
Obedient waifu trope is a myth.
Factors predicting IPV among interethnic couples included marital status, couples’ age, male alcohol problems, and female impulsivity.
Mounting evidence points to interethnic couples as a high risk group for IPV.
Why aren’t there PSAs?
Interethnic couples may be at greater risk for IPV because of their younger age, binge drinking and alcohol problems.
You can’t blame the drink. They drink to have an excuse.
Future research could build on this study by examining cohort effects and regional differences in IPV for interethnic couples, and the risk for IPV across interethnic couples of different ethnic compositions.”
Note: no (non-Hispanic) Asian-White data in this one tested. Hmm.
However, found this:
“Fusco (2010) used county police reports to examine interethnic and intra-ethnic couple differences in IPV for a more diverse community sample of whites, blacks, Asians, and Hispanics. Interethnic couples were more likely than intra-ethnic minority and white couples to have a prior history of IPV and to experience mutual IPV in which both partners were determined by police to be equally involved in perpetrating violence.
No world for submissive waifu.
I guess that’s what happens when you marry someone with higher T than yourself (those manjaws).
White women don’t look like such bitches now, huh?
Victims of IPV in interethnic couples were also at greater risk of being injured during the violence when compared to intra-ethnic couples.
Wages of sin?
Logically, you wouldn’t hold back with the out-group. It’s unconscious.
Diversity + Proximity = Domestic violence, in this case.
This may suggest that interethnic couples engage in more severe acts of partner violence relative to intra-ethnic couples, although Fusco (2010) did not specifically examine partner violence severity.“
So the white guys really do hate their waifu, deep down.
And the Asian woman does hit back (unlike whites).
Why don’t the MRAs ever mention this? Their mutual violence trope is racial, not sexual!
“Couples that included Asian partners or partners from ‘other’ ethnicities (n = 43) were also excluded due to their small sample size in the dataset.”
“For example, white-Asian marriages make up a large percentage of interethnic marriages (Hattery, 2009), but we were not able to include them in this study due to the small number of Asians surveyed.”
I smell bullshit. So they abuse one another but they don’t talk. To save face.
“The literature on interracial families has examined social stigmas attached to interracial relationships but has not thoroughly documented whether crossing racial boundaries increases the risk of divorce. Using the 2002 National Survey of Family Growth (Cycle VI), we compare the likelihood of divorce for interracial couples to that of same‐race couples. Comparisons across marriage cohorts reveal that, overall, interracial couples have higher rates of divorce, particularly for those marrying during the late‐1980s. We also find race and gender variation. Compared to White/White couples, White female/Black male, and White female/Asian male marriages were more prone to divorce; meanwhile, those involving non‐White females and White males and Hispanics and non‐Hispanic persons had similar or lower risks of divorce.”
Similar is the best they can do. Similar isn’t scientific enough!
We need more recent data but this is damning considering the ways they must’ve tortured statistics to produce that result. And can they actually divorce, financially? If there’s financial abuse, no, an exclusion criterion.
Yes, promiscuity x divorce risk must be studied more, actually. Much more. One major issue mathematically is how few promiscuous marry AT ALL to even qualify for the studies so marital rate too (since that’s important information for people). Then psychological issues round out the methodology for the ones that predispose to those behaviors in the first place (not a free choice, a compulsion) and muddy the waters in the non-pathological population (i.e. not personality disorders).
It seems to operate by weakening pair bonds until the person is incapable of making them.
I know AC would agree with me that an amygdala atrophy study in the promiscuous and also divorced groups would be illuminating. Imagine if you can check divorce risk with a brain scan before marriage!
And once developed, can it ever shrink or is gain permanent?
This is an old truth that has been only relatively recently abandoned. The reasons for all Christian principles are entirely practical. There is a saying ‘you are not punished for your sins, but by them‘
The big lie spoken by manwhores in particular is that ruining themselves emotionally (and physically) will make them better husbands for the right woman. The feminists carbon copied that rationalization, it’s still bullshit. How does adding psychological issues make you better in any way? And why should your spouse have to clean up the messes left by a trail of people who hurt you? And if you were remorseless and mistreated, abandoned them, what’s to stop you doing it to your spouse? Why reward that with love and fidelity?
Some people are incapable of loving and therefore don’t deserve to be loved.
Unequal yokes are abusive.
In romantic/sexual relationships, what doesn’t kill you makes you weaker.
“Muh Experience” is the idiot’s way of claiming that learning everything wrong will make them right. It’s insanity. This isn’t a pop quiz you can redo, it’s your life; it isn’t a game you can respawn into ad nauseum, you are learning patterns and reactions and if they don’t work, you’re far, far worse off than the person with NO “experience” – this is Dunning-Kruger.
Experience of failure means you’re wrong. You’re the common denominator.
The definition of insanity is the man who fucks around and wonders why he can’t find marriage material.
Hook-up culture has trained men into being useless husbands, they have the opposite required qualities.
To put it crassly, they’re saying “I shit in the pool, why is the water brown?”
Where have all the good women gone? Well, how many women have you slept with? Subtract those from the communal pool. Now extrapolate.
No, you can’t Have It All. You never could, it was a Boomer marketing gimmick. But the economy (and GDP) make more money from cads than dads. The politicians are playing them. They don’t care about you. They don’t care if you’re a genetic dead-end.
These useful idiots would literally argue the man who fucks 100 women and finds no love (0/100) is better husband material than a man who fucked zero women and also found no love yet, the unproven quantity. Narcissists lie.
Lust doesn’t lead to love, it leads to personal disgust. Hollywood lied so you’d sell your soul buying their stuff to fill the emptiness of your single life. They can’t admit it without the self-loathing attacking them so they blame the “thots” in standard projection and denial of agency. If you’re so easily led into temptation, you’re too weak to call yourself a man.
If you treat your love life like a game, women will see you as a joke.
They stated in the press 21% risk, it was actually 37%.
Let’s start with the actual statistics. Was George Barna quoted correctly? We have tried to locate the original stats from the Barna site, and this is what we found:
You can understand why atheists and agnostics might have a high rate of divorce, since they are less likely to believe in concepts such as sin, absolute moral truth and judgment. Yet the survey found that the percentage of atheists and agnostics who have been married and divorced is 37% – (Emphasis mine) very similar to the numbers for the born again population.
You go by if they’ve EVER been divorced, that’s how divorce risk works.
There isn’t a freebie.
“the percentage of atheists and agnostics
who have been married and divorced is 37% -“
I’d also like to see cause, including accusations of infidelity.
Are atheist spouses (no such thing logically) more likely to break their vows to a God they think is a joke?
A survey isn’t really a study, like poll data isn’t a vote, and as we can see, the number crunching sucks.
I’d also need to see the pair combinations and specific divorce risks:
If they’re a risk to themselves, that would be really damning, they can’t blame religion.
Marriage is religious so the fact they haven’t really studied this topic is indicative.
Barna did not include this enlightening fact in his research. Thus, if 21% of atheists divorce after marriage, and 45 % break up once or more before marriage, what we have is the astounding rate of about 66% of atheist couples experiencing “at least” one break up. If, however, the number is 37%, then we have a shocking figure of 82%. How is that for success in relationships?
dissolving “committed unions”
What needs mentioning is the fact that many atheists do not cohabit as a prelude to marriage. They in fact see cohabitation as “equivalent” to any marriage relationship. Therefore, their cohabitation break ups are to be seen as the end of what was to be a committed relationship. These break ups were not included in the Barna research, thus giving an incomplete picture of the true state of relationships among atheist couples.
yep, should count
especially in America with the idiocy of “common law marriage”
so it legally counts
It should also be stressed that, unlike what atheist propagandists preach on the Internet, it is a well established fact that people who live common law before marriage have a greater, not lesser chance of divorce than couples who don’t live common law. Thus, given the fact that atheists’ cohabitations rates are 51%, it is quite possible that their divorce rates are actually higher than the 37% mentioned by Barna.
Maybe they’re into polygamy (cucking) because they’re physically incapable of monogamy?
We’d also need a follow-up study after a marriage/divorce risk one, on MRI neurological proof of pair bonding structures and ability in religions + atheists.
It would be the KO.
This study could be done.
Breakthroughs in the burgeoning field of neuroscience explain the impact of sex on the developing brains of adolescents and young adults. Through scientific data put in layman’s terms, this book demonstrates that:
Sexual activity releases chemicals in the brain, creating emotional bonds between partners.
Breaking these bonds can cause depression and make it harder to bond with someone else in the future.
Chemicals released in the brain during sex can become addictive.
The human brain is not fully developed until a person reaches their mid-20s. Until then, it is harder to make wise relationship decisions.
Historically, people waited until their 20s to marry. Men and women, it also avoided production of too many children from teen marriage and maternal death from biological prematurity.
“According to a Washington Post article, “According to calculations based on the American Religious Identification Survey of 2001, people who had been in mixed-religion marriages were three times more likely to be divorced or separated than those who were in same-religion marriages.”  Therefore, it would not be surprising if atheist/theist marriages also have increased marital friction and higher rates of divorce since these two worldviews are so different.”
I don’t think this will end well.
How many days after her divorce did he marry her without a prenup?
And event planner? Those are like, the biggest sluts.
Stewardesses, nurses and event planners. The unholy triad of slag.
Did they meet at one of her events? 99% sure.
Those pictures are a reminder that
the DM doesn’t know what “stunning” means
and some women depend on make-up like air.
Cara has a less boyish figure. She looks like his aunt.
She looks like a totally different woman, loses about 50% of her points.
Short on brain too.
Instead of squinting at the Sun, maybe put the Sun-Glasses on your eyes?
TBF he looks like a lager lout pre-gut. He has that annoying twitch in one side of his mouth that looks punchable. He thinks it makes him look sexy. It looks like he’s deciding between two sandwiches at Pret.
A few of these are quite normal nowadays and beyond the subject’s control i.e. broken home, and there are new findings all the time e.g. the family can technically be intact/married but if the parents cheated at any point, the probability their children will too is increased.
So even in that case it isn’t the absence of divorce that’s a good thing, it’s the fidelity.
And you have to look at the individual’s merits away from their family, since some people are not like their good or bad relatives.
However, this many?
The basic question you ask is: how r-selected are the two, then combined?
The biggest thing is age. They’re both too old and set in their ways, neither will submit to the other. Cooperation will fail. At that age, with strong social contacts, it’s doubtful they never met anyone suitable (neither is remarkable or different enough from average to find normal unsuitable) and it’s far likelier they were the selfish kind of independent hedonists. They didn’t want to be married.
Those people can’t be married.
They can be wed, they cannot hack a marriage.
The things that made them strong alone make them weak with others.
This is how multiple marriages are made. Being selfish, they blame the other party. Leave them – marry again. Fail (more an issue of leadership and duty from the male side) and then leave. To marry AGAIN….
Hence men tend to be multiple divorced more times than women because male failures as a husband to lead the ship properly will guarantee the marriage “doesn’t work out.”
Infatuation addicts chasing a legal high. They cannot be in love, constantly in lust. Blinded by it.
The only common denominator in all your failed relationships is you.
At a certain point (age 18) a human must take responsibility for themselves.
Being mildly psychopathic, such individuals refuse responsibility. They shouldn’t be allowed to make commitments, for the simple reason they don’t understand them. As soon as natural bumps occur, they assume the marriage is over. That is not an adult response.
The kind of man to presume that because his wife is having a rough month, he’s “allowed” to cheat. That’s the level of narcissism. Like a child looking for any excuse or making one up (confabulation). If there were a cap on the number of times a person could be married, society could correct this.
One would be the best cap. You can’t do it? You chose wrong? OK. You don’t get to waste anyone else’s time.
In adult life, we don’t have endless attempts to redo something.
If they have children first, two things. 1 They will be drawing from the ugliest real features of both parents (surgery can’t be genetically transmitted) and 2 medical issues. Will the papers be honest about the reason? Doubt it.
Technically, in Christian law, their marriage didn’t count. Christian law does apply over state (the state’s power is derived from the God selection of the monarch) and they were in a Christian church and service. This is important.
If it goes tits up, the royals might mention one reason but neglect another.
She is, in religious terms, a bigamist and not a citizen. You cannot swear allegiance to a crown or a man when your loyalties are divided (that’s in the Bible..). Even some Europeans are unsuitable.
She has been married twice before, enough to definitely not be eligible. She married with a white dress and veil, symbols of a purity she doesn’t possess. That is a fraud (false light).
He is probably not Royal at all. Neither would have the right to their titles.
The Royals could always have proven Harry’s bloodline with a DNA test.
The fact they don’t goes to show they know they wouldn’t like the result. Obviously the test has been conducted. The people who dislike him (and Diana) know much about him, the people who blindly adore him fell for the PR stunt of making him walk behind his mother’s coffin.
Who wants to question his parentage now?
But – an illegitimate child born to married parents cannot inherit from the legal parent who is not their blood parent. The union protects children made WITHIN that union, there is no tie or duty to bastards.
The wedding of the year is Princess Eugenie. Unlike Diana, who began virginal and ended a snobby slag, she deserves the love she gets. Far more than she gets, actually.
I’d wager the dress will be better than Kate’s because the rock certainly was. She’s been waiting years to marry that man and he was barred from royal events for most of them (five years or so). Apparently a mixed-race American Wallace suddenly showing up is worth more than a devoted, lower-class white Englishman who waits the best part of a decade to prove his love. Nobody mentions this.
If Kate isn’t a Princess, Meghan could never, ever be. American illiteracy notwithstanding.
It ruins your pair bond. Accept it and forgo use (you shouldn’t need medically and do not need psychologically) or don’t complain when you’re a bitter divorcee. A crack addiction is less harmful to marriages than a porn one because crack addicts admit they have a problem and society (including marriage counselors!) doesn’t tell them it’s good for them! A marriage is literally a pair bond enforced with sexual monogamy, there is nothing else. That is what the religious vow and the law bind. They bind the two individuals before there is a bond between them and the marriage is the bond’s maintenance.
It’s considered the man’s duty to keep a marriage good because they are the ones sexually performing. If they cannot perform and maintain the bond, if they are impotent, what marriage is there exactly? This was the Catholic Church’s position!
How does porn ruin marriage? [I hate these posts, might stop doing them.]
Porn user = Incompetent husband. (I’d say the same thing about an addicted wife). You should be working out any kind of sexual energy on the spouse, that’s their role. At least, masturbate in private and not directing those vital energies outside the marital bed.
The male typical skills valued in the marriage are lost.
“her male partner’s low engagement, responsiveness, and accessibility in their relationship was predicted by his pornography use”
Insecure attachment predicts divorce, it can literally simulate a damaged childhood.
“The vital point is that our pair bonding penchant arises from physiological events, not mere social conditioning. It evolved from the infant-caregiver mechanism, and the two mechanisms still overlap in the brain’s reward circuitry. So, even though many Westerners appear to be caught up in a chaotic hook-up culture for the moment, it doesn’t mean that we humans are, by nature, as promiscuous as bonobo chimps or that pair-bonding inclinations are superficial cultural constructs.”
The Sexual Revolution was a lie and water is wet.
“In short, if you are hooking up with multiple partners purely for recreation you could be an outlier. Your behavior is not typical human behavior—a point that is easily overlooked by Western researchers.”
It’s an addiction, a valid reason to terminate a marriage, Biblical adultery aside.
The heart of all addictions is selfishness.
“Online sexual activities, including pornography use, have drastically increased in recent
years. Many studies have examined the impact that pornography use can have on marriages and
families. One of the key findings has been that pornography use can negatively impact trust in
relationships. This study focused on understanding the mechanisms involved when a husband’s
pornography use negatively impacts his marital relationship and his wife’s emotional well-being“
That’s called emotional abuse.
The selfishness of addiction is such that they will always expect it to go one way. Of course, when you’re married you are no longer an individual and this is why selfishness becomes the worst possible sin. What you take for yourself, you take from your spouse.
A taste of their own medicine may be warranted, since that’s the one way the stupider men can learn if all else fails.
If the woman wants to teach him what it’s like, just flirt with any man more attractive than him when he’s around and tell him it isn’t your fault, it’s evolution. Or sitting there ogling pictures of Channing Tatum in that stripper film, maybe frame it on a wall and stare.
He can’t get defensive, the guy isn’t really there, in the bedroom.
Or masturbate to gay porn where both men are better looking than he is.
It’s just porn, right? No big deal, no reason to get upset. It’s just energy he was never going to require from you anyway, right? It isn’t like you owe him 100% as part of the marriage thing or there’s less to go around for him or there’s an insult against him personally in the act at all. Right?
“(1) a breakdown of expectations and assumptions central to the marriage, (2) a sense of distance or disconnection from their husband and (3) a general sense of being emotionally and psychologically unsafe and insecure in their relationship. Further, it was found that loss of trust was greatly influenced by the sexual nature of pornography and the deceit surrounding its use. These two factors combined to produce a loss of secure attachment, particularly for attachment-oriented and attachment-idealizing wives, who hold the belief that pornography use is not appropriate.”
You don’t get to change the rules after they were agreed upon. You show me one woman who would marry a porn addict if she knew that beforehand.
It’s cheating, the brain doesn’t know the difference. A man who needs porn to get it up or orgasm is impotent, by dictionary definition.
It’s poor performance with a real life woman, the wife in this case.
“A common problem among men characterized by the consistent inability to sustain an erection sufficient for sexual intercourse or the inability to achieve ejaculation, or both. Impotence can vary.
So if they can’t get it up to their wife, but they can still do it to a mistress or porn, they are still impotent. This is basic medical fact. They can train other circuits but there is still an impaired circuit, the only important one.
It can involve a total inability to achieve an erection or ejaculation, an inconsistent ability to do so, or a tendency to sustain only very brief erections.”
That performance failure of male duty used to be sufficient reason to get divorced when the Catholic Church was in power, that’s how major it is.
The man’s sexual function in a marriage is more important than the wife’s participation. To blame the woman for his chosen addiction is weak.
If he can’t get it up, that’s his body. She isn’t controlling it Svengali style. He needs a doctor.
“Overall, it was found that a husband’s involvement with pornography can result in a lack of emotional, psychological, and physical availability and responsiveness, and a decrease in closeness and intimacy.”
Exactly the same result as literally going out and screwing those women. Note the type of porn they watch is intended for you to replace the male “actor”, it’s psychological cheating.
It’s voyeurism too, would voyeurism IRL not be cheating somehow?
Masturbation isn’t so much the problem, masturbation and pornography use/addiction are completely separate things. If he can’t masturbate without porn, which is almost always the case… he has a problem.
“Interacting with the impact of deceit, a spouse’s pornography use clearly provides ample opportunity for the breakdown of secure attachment at a level that can be classified as an attachment rupture or trauma.”
Same result as literal adultery. HD videos trick the brain into treating events as real. It’s worse than real actually, it’s a supernormal stimulus. He wouldn’t film himself screwing one of those women, would he? No, that would seem extreme…..
“Analyses uncovered three attachment-related impacts from husbands’ pornography use and deception: (1) the development of an attachment fault line in the relationship, stemming from perceived attachment infidelity; (2) followed by a widening attachment rift arising from wives’ sense of distance and disconnection from their husbands; (3) culminating in attachment estrangement from a sense of being emotionally and psychologically unsafe in the relationship. Overall, wives reported global mistrust indicative of attachment breakdown.
Well, escalation involves going out and literally re-enacting it. So yes, practice?
If a spouse practiced murdering you for fun, you’d feel less safe. This abandonment threat is very real and backed up by all metrics, as you’ll see.
Building on this data, we build an attachment-informed model of effects of pornography use and concomitant deception in the pair-bond relationship.”
Pornography is literally clinically damaging to the user.
It does cause ED (PC term for impotence, amazing how men resent un-PC terms on anything relating to them…)
“Traditional factors that once explained men’s sexual difficulties appear insufficient to account for the sharp rise in erectile dysfunction, delayed ejaculation, decreased sexual satisfaction, and diminished libido during partnered sex in men under 40.”
“Alterations to the brain’s motivational system are explored as a possible etiology underlying pornography-related sexual dysfunctions.”
Aforementioned training of responses.
“This review also considers evidence that Internet pornography’s unique properties (limitless novelty, potential for easy escalation to more extreme material, video format, etc.) may be potent enough
I see what you did there. Subtle. I like it.
to condition sexual arousal to aspects of Internet pornography use that do not readily transition to real-life partners, such that sex with desired partners may not register as meeting expectations and arousal declines.”
Husband’s sexual failure. He might as well cut it off, as far as his wife’s concerned, because he’s preventing her from working with it by breaking its healthy function.
She literally cannot do her job, far from it being her fault.
He also makes his own satisfaction impossible, which is deserved all things considered.
It’s like a cocaine user complaining their nose doesn’t work.
Cause and effect doesn’t stop at particles, mate.
“Clinical reports suggest that terminating Internet pornography use is sometimes sufficient to reverse negative effects, underscoring the need for extensive investigation using methodologies that have subjects remove the variable of Internet pornography use.
Translation: they don’t want to look “sex negative” i.e. medically realistic.
If a sex therapist tells you to use porn to spice up your marriage, run.
They make more money off divorced sluts, remember!
I mean, if Elon can be turned off by Amber, this is some major shit we’re dealing with here. Impotence isn’t really a laughing matter. Okay, maybe one prod…
Hardness! Hardness! My billions for some consistent hardness!
Had to get that out of my system. In many cases, the original cause is guilt and the outcome is depression. Since the cause is guilt, the depression is never resolved. Therapists are pussies in this century.
In the interim, a simple diagnostic protocol for assessing patients with porn-induced sexual dysfunction is put forth.”
Translation: we know it’s bad but we don’t know what to do.
“A significant postulate of this commentary is that all addictions create, in addition to chemical changes in the brain, anatomical and pathological changes which result in various manifestations of cerebral dysfunction collectively labeled hypofrontal syndromes. In these syndromes, the underlying defect, reduced to its simplest description, is damage to the “braking system” of the brain. They are well known to clinical neuroscientists, especially neurologists and neurosurgeons, for they are also seen with tumors, strokes, and trauma. Indeed, anatomically, loss of these frontal control systems is most apparent following trauma, exemplified by progressive atrophy of the frontal lobes seen in serial MRI scans over time.”
In short, no, they cannot make the decision for themselves to continue its use.
That’s like letting a suicidal person cut themselves, also an addiction.
No, they are not allowed that choice. It isn’t a choice. They have to stop.
I know it’s hard. Or at least it would be, if they’d stop.
Compare it to a bad sex diet.
” Ironically, a common correlate of pornography use has been found to be a damaged marital sex life.”
No, it makes them worse lovers. Obviously it would, it’s calling doing it not watching it.
Porn has no educational value. There are books and damn, cartoons even depicting and describing positions. Women have no problem viewing those and magazines are full of them. You aren’t supposed to be distracting yourself with masturbation while studying.
“Elliott and Umberson (2008) investigated this very subject, the nature of sex in marriage, and found that 94% of their participants established that sex is a keystone and integral part of marital success; and furthermore, describe sex as a barometer of the health of their marriage.
No, it isn’t just orgasms. It isn’t just sex.
Consequently, marital sexuality also creates a context for potential harm where that vulnerability is not held by one spouse with complete fidelity and trustworthiness.“
Porn’s purpose is clear, it’s cheating intellectually. It’s reverse cuckoldry, in a way. They get off, but on the fact they’re picturing themselves doing it with another, instead of actually viewing their Other with someone else. They’re poles apart but very similar.
“Many authors (Brezsnyak & Whisman, 2004; Regan, 2000: Sprecher, 2002; Leavitt & Willoughby, 2015) have found that sexual desire plays an integral role in the marital satisfaction. Consistently, respondents who perceive their marriage to be “happy,” report creating positive experiences within their relationships, tend to label sexual interactions as one way to facilitate and nurture closeness and intimacy with their partners (Impett, Strachman, Finkel, & Gable, 2008).”
My advice to those women is to stream gay porn constantly without doing anything. After all, it’s “entertainment”, like a film? No need to object.
I cannot be bothered to look up any more for now. The fact this is a subject of discussion is ridiculous, none of you have bothered to look it up.
In medical terms, a thing is harmful until proven healthy. That’s never going to happen with porn but they tried.
“A review of the research that does exist was undertaken and many negative trends were revealed. While much remains unknown about the impact of Internet pornography on marriages and families, the available data provide an informed starting point for policy makers, educators, clinicians, and researchers.”
Men are pathetic in direct proportion to their sexual desperation.
Porn is causing that, all the attributes of the pajama boy.
It weakens you as men.
Back to the under-covered attachment thing, briefly.
A few studies on how insecure attachment styles (like those caused by porn) make divorce almost a dead-cert. The marriage is over the first time you click online instead of turning to your spouse, really.
“attachment style, as a personality trait, has implications for the higher divorce rate. The purpose of this study was to explore the relationship between attachment style and marrying multiple times. The findings indicate that multiple marriers are more likely to be avoidantly attached and less likely to be anxiously attached. Additionally, those marrying for the first time to a previously married person have similar insecure attachment Styles.”
“Husbands’ lower initial level of marital satisfaction measured around the first child’s transition to school was the only significant predictor of marital dissolution.”
Yep, the dude’s fault again.
“In one study of dating relationships, Kirkpatrick and Hazan (1994) found that in a 4-year period, individuals with a secure attachment style had more stable and committed relationships than those with insecure attachment styles. A 31-year longitudinal study (Klohnen & Bera, 1998) revealed similar results.”
You might say, oh, but how do we know porn is making it worse? A fair objection. The methodology would be unpopular but ethical and possible. You study the child’s attachment when it forms and record it throughout the teens, also recording initiation into pornography addiction. If previously secure boys become insecurely attached men, porn is literally ruining men for women by reducing the husband qualities required.
Study women too, that’s fair. It’s just hardly any will statistically count as porn addicts.
If women are to follow their husbands in anything, they must feel supported.
This study revealed that low levels of perceived spousal support among women characterized as ambivalent were associated with significant declines in marital satisfaction for both the women and their husbands.
Porn takes that away, as studies above show. This is not a minor point. It would be like going to a mechanic that hates cars or a hydrophobic plumber. If something’s wrong, you’d leave it to fester.
How does it work?
The woman senses this emptiness from the man first before he feels the effect on the pair bond between the two of them.
“Another possibility is that attachment security buffers against declines in marital satisfaction, such that the differences between secure and insecure individuals become larger over time.”
This study extends the existing adult literature on insecure attachment as a predictor of depression and anxiety by examining these pathways in a sample of adolescents. In addition, dysfunctional attitudes and low self-esteem were tested as mediators of the association between insecure attachment and symptoms of depression and anxiety. Youth (N =350; 6th–10th graders) completed self-report measures of attachment, dysfunctional attitudes, self-esteem, and symptoms of depression and anxiety in a 4-wave prospective study. Results indicate that anxious and avoidant attachment each predicted changes in both depression and anxiety (after controlling for initial symptom levels). The association between anxious attachment, but not avoidant attachment, and later internalizing symptoms was mediated by dysfunctional attitudes and low self-esteem. Effects remained even after controlling for initial co-occurring symptoms.
Also no spouse to blame.
Imagine if women had some ailment with their mammary glands and blamed their husband. Impotent men who blame the wife are insane, it’s completely disconnected from reality.
In fact, improper attachment may contribute to mental diseases.
Specifically, we review research findings showing that attachment insecurity is a major contributor to mental disorders, and that the enhancement of attachment security can facilitate amelioration of psychopathology.
Yes, they can make their spouse suffer. The personality changes caused by the porn are inherently abusive, more in common with a psychopath (psychopaths are almost entirely porn-addicted).
Recent models have moved towards the incorporation of neurodevelopmental, biological and psychosocial approaches to human development. Consequently, there has been a significant conceptual shift, where social experience is currently seen to play a role in shaping the biology and genetic programming of human development,
hence any damage from minors viewing porn is at least somewhat permanent
This is not a church lady problem, it’s worse than drugging kids who hate school. Those seldom cause damage like that, it’s psychological circumcision. It’s horrifying. Addictions disable the mind.
The priming to bring in young boys too, by showcasing schoolgirls. The grooming element of that, imagine a parade of schoolboy porn*, the MRAs would have a field day. Imagine that was considered normal in society, how sick that society must be.
*If it does exist, don’t tell me. Please, I’ve suffered enough.
rather than the simple ‘unfolding’ of a predetermined sequence of developmental stages. In the case of human infants, developmental models need to account for the increasingly recognised contribution of the infant to the social environment and their capacity to interact with and shape environmental responses.
Training. Training their own brain by their chosen habits.
The resilience required of a spouse, especially a husband, is wanting.
“According to Sroufe (2000), securely attached children are fundamentally different from those classified as insecurely attached. At two years of age, they are more likely to be enthusiastic and persistent in solving easy tasks”
Useful in a marriage….
“Secure school-age children are more sympathetic to peer distress, more assertive about getting their needs met, more likely to be leaders, are better prepared for school”
Useful skills in a future husband.
insecure attachments (i.e., “attachment trauma”)
A child with a history of an insecure attachment may struggle with trusting the intentions and emotional responsiveness of others
So ironically they cause this in spouses with deceitful and demeaning behaviours (including requests of humiliating performance from the spouse to compete with literal whores) pushing them away to validate the paranoia. Yes, that’s what borderlines do too. It’s sadistic. They enjoy breaking people. Testing their limits, crushing their self-respect.
may learn to cope with stressful stimuli by inhibiting strong feelings
Cheating of any sort is a punishment to the existing spouse. Passive aggression is still aggression.
are more likely to have behavior problems, poor peer relations, and lack resilience
problems includes addictions, FYI
Resilience is the number one required quality in a husband.