A small note of what I find incredibly obvious and tedious to explain but it lines up some dominoes I know a lot of you struggle with. I hinted this before
for example but I deliberated whether to explain in case I get in some sort of trouble for it.
Life has its spoilers.
Allow me to pretend I care on a global level. This isn’t merely space but also time.
Like I have any skin in that game across the pond. Every day I thank God that at least I’m not American. You are the most screwed and the most degenerate, you deserve to be.
Parade of the horribles. That’s basically all they keep doing to Spencer and it tires after a few hours.
Read After the Empire by Todd. It was prognostic to the situation of America’s fourth, collapsing stage. Things must collapse and ruin before anything can be rebuilt. You cannot avoid the cycles of life, whether they’re in other theories like biohistory or cliodynamics.
The American Empire (USA) gained in prosperity because the British Empire fell from pathological altruism. The American Empire is falling because it allowed its WASP gene populace to be replaced and also from libertarian policy, the pathological altruism of funding the industry and infrastructure of competing countries, also leading to a direct opportunity cost of one’s own. Over time, decline. You had porous notions of (White Savior) obligation and the parasites took advantage of that. Shame on you. Demographically, the USA is more ruined over a lengthier scale of time than Europe, which has never been a melting pot of white people and never could be (look at the low IQ of Eastern Europe that would drag us down, or the sloth of the South). All Empires have fallen when they took on libertarian trade (read: foreign investment) policies, including investments of foreigners residing at home, as slaves or labourers. Too big to fail. They couldn’t down US, snobbery.
America has no national identity. Its current demographics won’t allow a resurgence. The chain is impermissible, it is not allowed based on decisions made over decades, in previous centuries (usually to relax a standard or dilute the pool of values with new additions).
Identity and ethnicity are one and the same, it’s rather easy to predict someone’s politics based on what they are (psychology is jam-packed full of such studies) and the probability is far beyond chance. Look at stereotype studies. You cannot reason people out of what they are, to paraphrase Swift. Open-mindedness itself is part of the problem that got us into this mess, it evolved for a completely different world (the tribe of 150 people, by social memory) to the one we live in. Your ignorance is not equal to my knowledge, kinda reasoning. Tribes would deport antisocial people all the time, to die as individuals following their own rules. We have no mechanism for dealing with the stupid and contagious now. In its way, the gulag was trying to exert this selection pressure via the State’s power. Corrupting the good is a problem.
America stepped into its mother Britannia’s standard – it replaced her as the reserve currency, kept the Gold Standard, kept the legal principles enshrined in our common law, retained our emphasis on the Rights of Englishmen, yet it didn’t want to pay its fellow Anglo for services rendered in the naval defense of your many, many ports.
Those ports are your weakness, a strategic weakness. Britain’s small size as an island and reduced number of possible outposts is the best possible defense of the population. If you rule the waves, you own your own country.
Tell me, how is Cuba?
The debate wound me up because everyone was playing the autist. They mostly looked at What ifs and literally played Whataboutism at many points. This is purely ideological, theoretical academic posturing BS. They refuse to reach out to the (they think, stupid) majority of whites, the working class, because those (“stupid”) people responsible for all grand social change would demand practical actions and solutions. It’s a bunch of SWPL men whining at each other, like that middle-class march again. That’s why everyone laughed at them, they deserve no social power because they do nothing but bitch. Society could carry on without them. Their jobs are busywork and Ikea people posturing. Sometimes they’d make an appeal to history, from pragmatism but alas, in a vacuum. Societies don’t exist in a vacuum, morons.
If people are the root and centre, whether you claim left or right wing, it behooves us to study humans, their individual differences (scientific terminology) and their dynamics, their processes. No context was given at any point in the discussions of social history, military strategy, models of governance (freedom is an illusion, you forsake some abilities e.g. to kill without comeuppance, in a civilized, non-corrupt society). Corruption wasn’t really mentioned, in a discussion about truth. That is retarded. Sorry, but it is literally working backwards. It’s like discussing shadows in the night when, to prove light, all you need is to light a candle. It isn’t about being For Truth, that’s a category error, it’s about fingering and punishing the corrupt. The latter is actionable, you may note.
White people have a long, cold night of the soul because all our Empires have crumbled. First GB, now the USA.
We are becoming second-class citizens in the societies we founded, which are having fundamental changes forced upon us. Class is never mentioned, in a discussion ostensibly about power dynamics….
All of you are dumb.
Power dynamics is class, class is power dynamics. That’s all a class really is, the body of people holding or not holding power.
There is no state without (unifying) culture and no culture without nation and nation is a scale within a race, containing one to three local-origin subraces. In practice.
Assuming everyone in the world is like you is false, it directly denies genetic evidence in HBD but there’s, for the pseudo-intellectual, the softer science of cross-cultural difference studies. There are entire journals replete with these findings. Everyone equal under the law only really works if everyone has a lot in common. Like, a LOT.
You are trying to discuss science and reality via “philosophical waffle” and subjectivity.
Look at who Hume was and what he is known for. You are all missing the point for right-wing virtue signalling points. You only represent your own class (middle-class men), the appeal to race is disingenuous and we are not stupid, we can see this. Common people have more common sense. You just want power over us justified in a different way. At least our enemies are honest about hating us. Being disrespected we are used to (culture) but we refuse to be under the boot of our own, while they lie and claim we’re all equal because skin pigment. “It’s for your own good” is no better than “You deserve it because colonies”. There is nothing to hope for, aim at and you’re all quite pathetic individually. Negative Nancies, at least. You have no right to rule, you cannot even use reason the way I am doing here, hardly trying. You cannot be the better man that people would naturally follow as leader. You stand for nothing, culturally you are vapid (dreams, egoism*) and empty (output, talk is cheap). Volume isn’t correctness. You’re rentseeking activists on the whole, doing a slightly different dance. We are not impressed. We are not amused. We are not fooled.
Do not forget. Do not forgive.
You’re punching a puppy after somebody else did. Stupid white majority, stupid working class, stupid women, sit down and shut up while we, your equals, describe ideas that are misinformed, dissemble and that we never dare try ourselves with our personal resources because we know they’d fail. You sound like fucking Communists. I have a nice idea, let’s make everyone try it on taxpayer money!
Libertarianism has never been tried. At least Communism has!
Let’s ignore all the evidence we don’t like because words hurt. Women are such snowflakes. We can’t let women in, because a sausage fest of outcasts, deviants and misfits is the best way to plan a society. We’re better than them, but why aren’t they attracted to us? Bitch, whine, bully.
Why does nobody respect you? I wonder.
[Women went ‘MGTOW’ when men stopped marrying them. Food costs money.]
You sperg out by looking at everything in isolation (that’s low SQ) instead of cause and effect, trends, social dynamics, themes and movements. People move, people evolve, same with ideas.
You’re talking 20th century shit, bringing that weak political game into 21st Century realpolitik.
This is obvious to women, we bathe in this system. You don’t ask us, though.
Feminism took hold because women were sick of men ignoring them when we were trying to help, when we knew ahead of time how things would work out e.g. black men got the vote before white women. Instead, you lead us to disaster for social power ego-stroking of “looking good on the global stage”.
Politi-cucks are men, at the end of the day.
Oh, men refuse to marry? Birth rates slowed? ‘TIS BUT A SCRATCH.
Let’s discuss pronouns without nature/nurture identity and sluts without the Pill.
Men are so logical, just accept it! If we don’t understand you, you must be the thick ones!
Could we contribute to the social problems we complain about? Why would men ask hard questions and take responsibility for their actions? Women are the cause of all our problems, women have hypoagency.
I hope I needn’t make that point ever again. Painfully obvious to us.
[Women are inferior.
Women control us.
You need competence. You need order and structure. Leaders need moral authority. Bill Clinton came down because of that last, pay attention. Degenerates cannot lead, even other degenerates. Where is your honour? Do you still mock the prospects of goodness and virtue?
Then you’ll never live in a society possessing them and prizing them.
You can’t have a white society without white people, this is true.
You can’t have a culturally white society without a state that protects them.
Where is the lie?
Isn’t that the reason you have a state in the first place?
Prove that logical sentence wrong, shitlibs.
If your government run by people like you won’t do their fucking job, they will be replaced. You will be fired and someone capable brought in. Existentially, a society is all about culture, enforced by the Gubmint. Your spiritual purpose and value is the uniqueness of that culture.
Yes, it’s exclusive, in the same way your house is exclusively yours. Property is 9/10 of the law. Your duty extends to the ingroup and ends with the outgroup. Reality isn’t nice, it will never fit in your academic molds. You did nothing to feel guilty about, except maybe your personal life. Example? All of American history?
The purpose of Government is to protect the people better than they can themselves (as individuals). Fuck your rights, your frivolous, present-biased notion* of them, you have a right – to leave.
Smart people don’t get to lead because smart-assness doesn’t rewrite reality.
America was founded on the WASPs who emigrated from Britain to expand the Empire. We succeeded. America decided it could better govern itself. This is the result. Your fault was one of personality. Disproportionately, too many emigrants had libertarian, not conservative inclinations. At best, you would imitate whatever France or Britain were doing culturally. Libertarians are left-wing, judge by their sexual habits and the constant cucking for Asia. They are the vanguard of the Old Left, who assumed everyone was like them (because pre-invasion, it was true, they assumed stupidly this was a constant than a social construct when they literally invited in all of China) and a hands-off approach could work. In which case, why have any governance at all if you’re so self-sufficient? Why can’t you obtain water, food, sanitation, as an individual? It’s absurd. That was traditionalism, you rejected it for gadgets. It’s impossible, there’s no such thing when you invite in the world and expect your reserve of power will never dilute (manifest destiny mythos). The smallest effective scale is a tribe. Individuals die, even supported by modern tech, you need other people. Many nations formed from merged tribes, similar in genetics and (I’m sure this is a complete coincidence) belief system. Individuals cannot have a belief system. I repeat, individuals do not comprise a system. Stop acting like one person but also a huddled mass when it’s rhetorically useful. You are never alone.
Libertarians like to live in low population density areas, making them incompatible with democracy. As such, there will never be a libertarian democracy, it’s like a virgin brothel or a vegan steak. It’s a category mistake, again! You don’t just set up a system and then it’s fine, it must operate! Men cannot sustain systems, that is down to the women. We maintain the home, we rock the cradle and rarely mentioned, we maintain the men. Women chastise from the same root as chaste, to chasten, to enforce standards of moral purity. Men don’t nag each other to sleep more, eat better and be less rude. This is why you die earlier and married men live longer. You need us. We civilize you but you make a nation we’re safe in to do it. Those are the only gender roles. You failed us first. There is no culture to possess, no competence to respect and no hearth to keep.
Men are brutes but only socially, women are trying to get by in the economy they ruined. Your ancestors would slap you for the things you shout in the street, imitating your cultural betters, the rappers. Oh, but you’re too wimpy to deport these people? What would your ancestors have done? If you could talk to them now, what stern words would they have? You’re worthless to anyone, including yourself. You ruined yourself and refuse to address this or change anything because oh, what might the neighbours think? ….But women are weak, sure. Modern men are like women, but that is only a bad thing because you have neglected your duties, women are still not in the wrong however you spin it. If women follow men, generally, what have they done worthy of following lately?
Talk doesn’t count by the way, you’re not even good at that as we are (white matter studies).
When tribes to Empires stopped casting out those hostile to their people and values, they declined. It is hastened by importing them, whatever your bank balance says at the end of the year. Importing those who live differently is a direct threat and libertarian’s love of the outgroup is pathological. The preference to its own native culture is antisocial. If you cannot make it yourself, you don’t deserve it. Those systems from the past century will begin to visibly break down next year.
Those who made them are dead. They took the money with them. They went off the Gold Standard to take even more value from the currency than was nominal or physically possible.
As mentioned before, Mexican immigrants aren’t the threat to your society, America, it’s the Chinese. They’re taking over everywhere, even Australia. They are the largest group immigrating to you and importantly, you are not allowed to criticize them. Israel is easier to criticize in public than China, which should tell you how deep you’re in it.
The race of “white”, an umbrella term of sub-races from Europe the continent, is innately individualistic. There are nuclear families, a return to tribe. This is mistaken for liberalism. It is not. Everyone else is effectively collectivistic.
Like r/K, I would argue there is an overlay case to be made, individual citizens can be a little more or less in comparison with their kin, but their kin and kinship (virtue of philia) still exist because DNA!
Classic liberalism was entirely nationalistic. What Spencer appears to want is another form of supranationalism, where all of Europe becomes like America, a white melting pot to cooperate in the libertarian model of scale. No. It is also impossible to govern a continent’s population numbers and density in this way, as the EU is proving before your very eyes. Classic liberalism live and let live – with limits. Those limits were primarily what you were and secondly, what you did. Step out of line and the tribe (now local council) would enforce via the government, gaining legitimacy from representing the people. British legal theory goes into this in copious, painful amounts of detail.
Citizenship has only ever effectively worked when granted on the basis of race, and then with a caveat for character (aggression is a proxy for IQ). Otherwise, the one-drop dilution works over time, as a wave, a ratio to corrode the original virtues and the Empire slides down the stages into the final headlong collapse.
Libertarians cannot afford their current belief system. The painful truth is they never could, it is only because they isolate themselves from large groups, up to and including the world, that they could deny this for so long. Coddled by the masses and State they hate. Most of the alt right are supposedly “former” libertarians who discovered Darwin (not American) or socialists using race as an excuse to get free shit on the bandwagon, fellow White.
Where is the antonym of effete? That’s why toxic masculinity stuck as a term, btw. Calling men effete may be true when all they care about is being nice over their line dying, but it’s technically impossible to be something you’re not, and they are not women (gender feminine) so it must be a perversion of their masculinity into negative manifestations. Still, they use terminology that blames Da Wimminz. Imagine my shock.
Look at IQ or any other metric where humans vary. Biodiversity is a fact of life no amount of pleasantries and nice ideas can overcome. We must handle these carefully but we cannot afford to ignore them.
There is a dynamic shift in power and class from the homeland of the WASP genome, Britain, to America and now, into the abyss. The demographics are a symptom of the apathy and atheism. Liberalism was fine when it was agnostic. It has gone from skeptic to cynic and the worst stereotype of the nihilist. This is a culture-killer, the suicide of old, working culture because they have nothing to replace and claim they need nothing to replace it. This is what the new Left represents. The old, original left-wing could only survive in a homogeneous, high-trust society. In their pathological altruism, given mealy-mouthed weasel word intellectualizations by money-loving libertarians, we have lost things that are priceless. The real Left opposed immigration and outsourcing for culture and the native economy.
You could possibly get those prosocial things back, some of them, but there is now a cost. There is now a price, and if we don’t discuss that, we cannot minimize it for the desirable results. Do not be cowards.
Spencer is wrong and Spencer is right. Spencer argues for teleology dishonestly, in bad faith.
When we had identity existentially with no evolutionary competition (DARWIN) then the objectives of society wrought by culture were clear. It doesn’t pop back into existence and the cycle will run its course, as it always does. Why? We are animals, not ideas. We live and live in ecosystems and those are party to cycles.
We live and die on cycles. Empires, therefore, since they are comprised of humans, rise and fall on cycles.
HOW IS ANY OF THAT HARD TO GET?
Why are people appalled at Millennials living at home? It is common in white societies to move out, detach from the extended family network (that oppresses all other, collectivist races) and strike out alone to form a new family unit. That is individualism in psychology, this is studied and proven. Two individuals are the seed – the spousal unit. Immigrants want that freedom from their elders, their relations that remain in the original country. Talk to them, ask.
Freedom to sedition, to oppose everything the nation stands for and be protected by that State.
Yes, you’re so smart. Read much about Emperor Constantine? Is Italy still pagan?
The premise isn’t what you “self-identify” that’s trendy SJW bollocks.
Your skin is your uniform. Your genetics will determine what you do and can do. You are limited.
Epigenetics is a response to the choices already made by your genome, or that of your family/culture/society. The intergenerational effect has the most evidence, not the individual. You are not and have never been an individual.
The planet is beholden to cycles. Your ego is not bigger than the planet.
There is no society of individuals because you need people. Plural, to breed.
At minimum, you need families, the nuclear family. Left-wing societies die because they don’t have a handle on sensible, prudent breeding patterns. It’s very simple. Nobody dare bring up eugenics, although the core principles continue to be discussed in the open (for abortion, euthanasia, vasectomies, medical life extensions).
There is sociological data you ignore at your peril. Families matter, anything less doesn’t exist on a societal and historical scale. Stop talking down past your navel to your penis. This is bigger than you.
If you value human life (sanctity is religious), that isn’t universalism, your compassion has natural, biological limits. That is at odds with tradition and security (a society must be those things to exist and be stable). Universalism treats the outgroup as if it were the ingroup. That is pathological altruism, read Oakley’s book. You destroy a society one sin at a time until the collective (pathogen?) load causes the whole infrastructure to finally collapse in, from weakness. Death by a thousand cuts, morally. The Bible didn’t say, honour everyone else’s mother and father as if they were your own. It was specific loyalty to your kin, and the most to your closest kin (all the verses about brother, not a metaphor). The things lefties do and the things they want from wider society are mutually exclusive (hypocrites, for thee but not for me), they want to have their cake and eat it, save and spend your public, communal money, they rely on the fact their own personal standard will never apply to society but social trends do this. Let one group do drugs, all do eventually. Let one sleep around, all will eventually. Humans are social animals. Why do you think the Bible crunches down on individual instances of sin? It is addictive to the individual (there is no logical hedonism) then contagious to everyone else, who sees them go unpunished. There is no such thing as harmless hedonism (Boomer lie, postmodern fallacy), social harm is the spread and acceptability of things that ruin groups e.g. adultery destroys the family unit, harms the children. One group of sinners leads to decadence unchecked, this is the rule of history. Groups can’t ruin themselves, it is individuals, selfish hedonists, who kill the group. We cast them out of the tribe for that reason. Just because someone is born among you, doesn’t make them good for you or agreeable to our way of life. Borders are good for everyone, making everything safer. I feel like I’m reciting the alphabet, this is too obvious.
I know exactly which half I’d wanna be. Clue: Power structures cannot be universalist.
Chimpanzee have territorial borders, FFS. No State required.
Social policy is also reliant on technological states. We have advanced past the point where certain policies are feasible.
Libertarianism can only arise to get things wrong in reality for a pretty theory, in a decadent society. The moment you act like a beneficient ruler to the outgroup, you feed them at the expense of your people. You become the fifth column to your own undoing. When you conquer a peoples, you do not suffer them to live. Mercy for entire, competing groups is for the weak, mercy means you will lose in the long run. The race for life is zero-sum. In a sunk cost fallacy, you cannot change what a person is. Inside everyone in the world isn’t a 100IQ WASP waiting to burst out. Collectivism is genetic, white people are Goldilocks with our family structure but our individualism (scientific kind) comes at the novel cost of PA, since we can now interact with tribes and alleles we never evolved these instincts for. The libertarian instinct to help is rationalized, not rational. It was fine cooperating during famine with the next tribe over, they were close, by genetic diaspora. Investing globs of money in another country though, has a direct impact on what would’ve happened in your own. Libertarians are always unfit to lead and hence never do. They do not adapt around their instinct to accommodate new situations and hence, will not survive. There is no conception of the group, and their humbling place within it, let alone loyalty. The love of money is the root of the evil. The opportunity cost to the ingroup is suffered to uplift an outgroup, whether they live in your borders or out. Missionaries killed the British Empire. You can’t spread gospel to people who don’t understand it. Post-Babylon, there are language differences and those, too, are genetic. You do not rule over them either, (foreign aid) that is enabling them to live at your expense,like children, as dependents, until they have the power to eventually overcome you. You certainly do not allow the enemy to feast at your table. I don’t care if all the homeless are homed, all the poor are middle-class and all the cold are warm. That is pathological altruism. That directly harms your people by opportunity cost and should be socially disgraced as a personal weakness, vying for a boost in status and the known brain drugs that make it irrational. There is no such thing as altruism, and psychology is proving this cynical hypothesis (literally, no such thing as true altruism because humans are reciprocal creatures, incapable of it). Jesus said to love your neighbour, your kin. You owe nothing long-term to anyone the next town over.
The Lord works in mysterious ways. If they follow good laws, they will prosper. If not, they must be allowed to decline.
We are continuing to fail because we do not question the laws that put us here.
Where did we deviate from, let’s be honest, the Biblical model of ensuring that a society is healthy and it survives?
The Bible discusses this ad nauseum, that to follow the law, you live and you’re happy. You don’t get to personally select the law, so what? It’s baked into nature, call it evolution if you want. The good life sought by philosophy is pre-programmed but we don’t know fully what it is. Do you want the choice to breathe air too? Hubris is the worst sin because it leads to all the others. No coincidence, most philosophers are genetic suicides, they are too selfish to care about anyone past their own hedonic treadmill of maximizing utility functions.
There is no greed, there is only theft. Thou shalt not steal. If you want to work abroad so much, be honest enough to severe the ties of citizenship because that is a traitorous act. You deprive the state certain taxes (to save money, e.g. by ignoring minimum wage laws) while continuing to draw from its pot. If you don’t owe society (muh freedom!) society shouldn’t owe you (pension, police, STD treatments/contraception). It’s the male version of the spoiled girl who says she’s so independent but still using Daddy’s credit card. My house, my rules. Our society, our standards. Like we should say to the immigrants and any other griper, if you don’t like it, you can always leave. If you can do so much better, leave and do it or shut up.
You don’t need to control everything, quit being control freaks. Learn the natural law and obey it.
Work within those liberties afforded to you by your very being.
HOW IS THIS HARD?
You already are those things already, you simply must accept it and live, rather than wasting your lives talking about philosophies of life. Philosophy is subjugated by the realities of biology. Get over yourself.
If you did manage your White Melting Pot ethnostate Spencer, the one place it already exists (America) then you’d still need a culture and I have a funny feeling you’d still be basing it on the primal Briton model.
Because you’re so different and superior to us, you can’t even invent your own language.
WEIRD isn’t enough, you must be WASP again. You can’t lose any rights you never had.
Catholicism is also a no-go, the Vatican bank is Rothschild. WASP is the Goldilocks culture everyone wants to live in. Bring it back or die for good, the British Empire can’t reconquer you and it’d be easier to do once you mostly kill yourselves for your eternal, noble losers, the libertarians anyway. Hey, at least you made some money. Gains, bro. Judas was paid to betray his people too.
Spencer will never do this necessary WASP resurgence, because he’s been cucked by a Russian cunt.
The Russians who killed their aristocracy, Spencer? That Russian?
How much self-loathing must there be to ruin a good genome with outbreeding?
Like the quality of Europeans is homogeneous? Hardly matters, your brood will be less competitive as a result of your stupidity, Darwin wins. Do not fuck over your fitness. The one rule.
The fastest way to get through this stage and survive in one piece, as intact as psychologically capable, is to control the flow of money. Statism isn’t the answer to a problem caused by bad leaders. The good leaders do not yet exist. There is no trial by fire to Christen them. Focus on the economic, then the cultural. I’m doing it in reverse since I honestly do not give a flying fuck about preserving the structures we have now, I’d prefer a total burn down for cleansing the systems implemented after so — might as well skip to the cultural bit. If you have a sentimental attachment to your ideas of the past, the economic is your top priority (especially where money reduces or stops flowing, look at NGOs for your treason candidates) and culture once you’ve stopped feeding your enemies. First things first. Game theory, mate.
You won’t give up dual citizenships and cheap foreign versions of what you produce at home so no, you do not care about your country.
There are also degrees to loyalty.
I am most loyal to my family, over another English one.
I am loyal to an English family, over a British one.
I am loyal to a British one, over a Frenchman.
I am loyal to a Frenchman over an American (they didn’t leave the continent, blend the subraces or go to war with our Empire after letting us set them up, worsening our debt -still being paid off- and killing our Empire).
Finally, we are loyal to America over the racial outgroup.
However, there are many outgroups on a case-by-case basis.
European nations cooperate, in that sense the race is already blended. It’s a social construct that needn’t be genetic and couldn’t survive if it were. We need nations and unique cultures and America will only survive if it goes back to its WASP origins. Fuck Mother Russia.
Never breed with someone whose country you would never live in.
When Putin dies (quite soon), you’ll see what Russia really is.