Video: Archetype of the Hipster

“Men set the rules but women should be the ones who maintain those rules.”
YES.

I’m younger than him and I happened to witness the ascendancy of hipsters.
Contributed to it as well, but that was an accident. I maintain that.

Many are attention-seeking Boomers born too late. It’s a Peter Pan, forever young culture, simply look at the dress sense – old emo styles and scene kid attire with a little steampunk thrown in. Nerd accents are ironic because these people know they’re stupid, generally. The separate culture is a cult, an escape from mainstream decay and decline.
The Portland types. Hedonic treadmill addicts.

It started with techies and poets. You might say what do they have in common? Hating everything and above average drug use. This was the decade of the peak raver. Nowadays it’s smaller concerts and secret gatherings, private clubs.

They think they’re deep for rejecting things.

As one former goth turned uber-hipster (he sets trends without trying) told me;

“Smug Boomer stands for nothing, smugly.” He took another swig of his absinthe. This was about 2008. We were on a date. I know, I know. It was a phase but it was more like anthropology than a date. He did actually just like the poisonous part though, the wormwood, nobody else cared what he drank. I’d say why but he’d recognize a funny story involving grass.

His defense is that his defiance was performance art, like an ugly mirror to society’s vanity.
They aren’t all so self-aware and there’s a major age stratification, even between two years. It can be precise.

I remember it was just skinny jeans and a Primark shirt. That was the uniform and they’d meet up in two places – the dark room and the computer labs. I remember this because my friend worked in Primark and said how weird it was, all these rich kids suddenly buying shirts because band members were wearing them as disposable, they were about one atom thick, but the shirts were ones she wore to do gardening. It seems like an act of class mockery. They’ve ruined those shirts for her and while she still wears them she fumes if anyone calls her hipster. A lot of former goths like her traded in black for boring office grey because it wasn’t navy (too manly) and it wasn’t white (hell to keep clean). It was simply that basic.

There were fun and dangerous experiments, like brewery. Learning skills our ancestors neglected.

By 2011, it was labelled. The original people gravitated to new styles and hangouts.
The former kids who wanted in were being excruciatingly embarrassing and totally missing the philosophical point. It was nihilism but sarcastic, there was a bitter, mature pettiness I started to move from on purpose. Nothing matters but what you gonna do about it if I get a mustache tattoo? Some people cut, took up harder drugs, emigrated, became homeless, committed suicide or tried. We all heard horror stories, it was a sense of generational hopelessness.

Nihilism is meant to serve you to make your current life better in spite of existential possibilities. You saw an exodus of people craving the more positive than black-and-white photos in front of graffiti. Instagram’s first models.

Scientism memes. Memes in general. The first memers and meme pages and chan crossover with social media. The Anonymous experiment, dark matter to social media.

Then the internet got mainstream.

Brands got involved. Tried to nab us. That killed the fun.

By last year, 2016 until about this year, a solid ten years after I picked up on these trends, 2006-ish, it’s considered old. There are preppy types, finance managers, chavs, metalheads, all sorts. It has become specialized. 

Then there’s the Americans acting like college students when they’re old enough to parent them.

You get the hold-outs. The people who stay in places cool five, ten years ago and barely then.

Some of those places aren’t bad but it’s the fact they wanna be seen.

Those are the ones you see on the Tube. They don’t know the rules, they don’t know there are rules, they don’t even know the rules have a caveat of authenticity i.e. you don’t have to do every trend or at once.

This isn’t school, it’s a defiant spirit.

Now it’s generational. Most Millennials are hipsters. I am cursed with this knowledge.
It isn’t one homogeneous thing because we were never a homogeneous group.
The classic hipster is an Apple genius. Those people moved to Android when Jobs died. The dream was over.

It’s meant to be an excuse, an outlet for your individuality and a barrier for experimentation. If people peg you as hipster, you lose. That can’t be you because it’s a label. They shouldn’t notice, it should just be… you.

If someone else tried to wear/do/say that, it shouldn’t make sense.
This is self-actualization and hipsters as a concept were a vital starting point of moratorium.

It isn’t about drinking, it’s about what you want to drink (or not) and why.
It isn’t about food, it’s about the story and the culture.
It’s appreciating all the arts with less ability from financial troubles.

It’s anti-trend. We’re trying to be individuals.
It’s impossible to market to. That’s the point!

Look at the knitting groups. Fine example. Who would’ve thought that took off?
Why? Community without Church.

It isn’t pretentious, not for the genuine ones. The ones who evolve and adapt.
It’s a shorthand for a type of self-improvement. Finding your culture by going back and bringing it back into the future (hence BTTF jokes), making old things relevant, not swinging a vintage trinket round your neck and applying pomade to a beard. We hate beards, actually. It started as a joke and got very un-funny. All because of a teacup with a mustache guard. They’re unclean.

The emphasis now is on a certain question and we rotate them.

What is clean professionalism?

Considering the blurred private line with social media, tricky to navigate.
Men started wearing waistcoats and have now branched out to full suits.
Women started with long skirts and now wear dresses.
This is progress and unlike progressiveness, it isn’t destructive. We’re self-creative.

Derided hipsters are destructive degenerates. Go to town on those guys. The original crew have transcended. It is political but in a very personal way.
The middle-class want an excuse to play out Common People with legal highs and high-res selfies. Fuck those guys. And look, the whole scale, the whole rainbow. No taste.

Am I a hipster? Well, other people would say that based on a certain urban elf/Eloi vibe but if anything it’s an attitude. Post-’08/09 financial torment, we’re just going with it by doing our own thing which is technically mature. What else can we do?

The only power we have is to be the change we wish to see, right?

500 days of summer is the test for male entitlement

Like that Marilyn Monroe quote for women.

http://www.buzzfeed.com/jasminnahar/tom-hansen-is-actually-the-worst#.rvGO9aNE7w

It’s a huge red flag for women. That’s why we like to bring it up.

The whole film is from this delusional guy’s perspective who thinks he’s so deep because of the way he dresses, the music he listens to and his hobbies. Yep, he’s a pretentious hipster/emo kid. Wearing grandpa’s jumpers doesn’t make you wise.

He isn’t even in love with her, he’s in limerence as you can see from the ending. That’s why it’s creepy. He doesn’t even listen to her, she’s more like a talking doll to him. That would make more logical sense, if we saw from a third person perspective she’s actually a body pillow.

Read about the film-makers, they slag him off so much. This was deliberate.

This quote summarizes it well.

summer

Forever alone because they don’t want a human woman.

Feminist in the sense that any woman watching it would recognize the entitled douches of their acquaintance from a mile away. It was so popular because it was a RomCom from the MALE perspective, where a man blames his failings on a girl who was nothing but honest with him. The type who’ll later complain all women are lying bitches (so yes misogyny). After a certain number of times, the problem isn’t the other people…

The hipster hackers of Mr Robot plus Tumblr’s opinion

which is always fun and grotesquely wrong. Spoilers ahoy duh.

I haven’t criticized the media in way too long. This cannot be tolerated.

just getting that now rlly slow on the uptake moriarty

It’s too hipster for my taste. Too many tropes, too many clichés, rather insulting actually, to real hackers; I know I guessed the twists from the first episode and I’m no brain on these things, and the reviews going on and on about how “authentic” it is really give it away to me as Gen Y hipster fodder, they’re trying to make this our Fight Club, complete with grating hashtags at the bottom of the screen you’re supposed to respond to like Pavlov’s dog.

I can see you trying all the way across the Atlantic.

I can see you trying all the way across the Atlantic.

Which makes it fun to make fun of, cos projection. As TLP says, if you’re watching it, it’s for you.

It’s like a pastiche parody, a mishmash so hastily thrown together to please a demo. It’s selling you non-conformity. People are buying. People thinking they’re too smart to do that, who like the show and the message, and just mindlessly promoting it.

laughing rdj crack up

Even me with this review, I guess. I’m selling out guys. Buying a place in Miami.

SPOILERS AHOY IN THIS VIDEO;

You know he’s edgy bc he’s wearing a hoodie.
Really? Nah. It gets in the way of typing. When I see someone wearing a hoodie with the sleeves rolled up, however, my eyebrow hooks up at the rarity of the sight and I’m like
I wanna know that person. That person in particular.

Trust in the wisdom of the secret race of sleeve roll people.

As this sweet, sane Tumblrina (they exist) points out, the best thing about the show isn’t the main character (too whiny to carry it, the Millennial personified in self-loathing) but the Swedish Patrick Bateman. Yes. He needs a lot more screentime. I miss him when he’s offscreen. Of course, she doesn’t realize he’s a literary reference so most of his character doesn’t make sense to her.

Why did no one slap her in this scene? Just tying her to a chair. No actual beating, like every male counterpart?

To the rest of us who read books that aren’t in the YA section, he’s a joy to behold.

The guy deserves a spinoff. Watch it for him.

Video: Hipsters and cultural capital

It isn’t fashion. It’s ideological signalling with a fashion branch. Ever met a conservative hipster?
Some of my friends and I have been confused for hipsters and these were the given reasons;

  • against feminism/SJW bullying
  • no smartphone
  • no opinions on music, no favourite bands
  • skinny jeans, however well-made
  • avoid clubs
  • old-fashioned hobbies, even if raised with them
  • reading books, seriously, I’ll never understand that one
  • no tattoos or piercings apparently because they’re mainstream
  • classical art over abstract crap

Ironically, the people who called hipster were hipsters themselves. Hipsters cannot stand originality or discriminatory talent. Whatever they produce is low-quality. They’re like that one kid at school who only copied everybody cool and wondered why it never made them cool.

Geek – fictional. Nerd – factual. These have nothing to do with hipsters although some of their symbology is stolen. A hipster who “fucking loves science” couldn’t explain basic physics or hell, The Scientific Method, offhand. A hipster who “loves Pokémon” probably means cosplay, another outlet for attention-seeking and has no cogent reasoning e.g. the points system in the game. If they know the game exists.

It is ideological. The pastiche of cultures is a fashion signal of universalism/neoliberal multiculturalism “all cultures are equal”. They want to be mocked by the establishment, it makes them feel rebellious. However, they are unreal underachievers, their status seeking cannot take the established form, and they pretend to reject the whole system. There is nothing permanent or genuine about a hipster, their principles change with unending political correctness, hence their quest for authenticity is the ultimate irony. The study of thedes is useful to understand how they stand out by blending in to a little bit of everything.

Hipsters are bland, sociocultural parasites. They are narcissists who feel nothing, turncoats who derive their power from weakening everyone else. r-type in extremis

21st century Status Games

I recc. Affluenza for coverage of this sort of thing, although the book has a heavy universalist bias. It’s like Hunger Games if they hungered for attention.

Ironically, the hipsters who appeal to authenticity stole it (cultural, symbolic) from their lower class white kin (The South in America). The hipster has two weaknesses: the objective truth, which they object to for selfish reasons, and formality, which they are incapable of embracing. Nothing scares them as much as a man in a three-piece suit telling the unvarnished truth.

But by the turn of the millennium cool had ceased to be credible as a political stance, and we have since seen yet another shift, from conspicuous non-conformity to what we can call “conspicuous authenticity.” The trick now is to subtly demonstrate that while you may have a job, a family, and a house full of stuff, you are not spiritually connected to any of it. What matters now is not just buying things, it is taking time for you, to create a life focused on your unique needs and that reflects your particular taste and sensibility. (more)
A fashion of consumerist hypocrisy. All the benefits of capitalism and none of the, like, old evil white patriarchy.

What’s next?

Maybe no one you know will read the above, and you can safely ignore it. But if you start to learn that many people you know are starting to see conspicuous authenticity as just another way that posers vie for status, then of course your community will come to not accept that as giving real status. No, you’ll start to see some new kinds of behavior as the sort of thing that people do who don’t care about status, but are just being “real”.

The Millennial spoilt middle class age group trying the hipster lifestyle couldn’t be genuinely creative if their lives depended on it. They sound, walk, think alike. #### I blame Nathan Barley.

Then you’ll start to become aware that other people that you know agree with this new attitude of yours. You’ll get more comfortable with saying that you approve of these sorts of behavior in others, with hearing others say the same thing, and you’ll notice that you feel good when other people credit you with such behavior. You and your associates will all feel good about themselves, knowing they are all good people who deserve respect because they do these things, things that they all know are not about status seeking.

At which point these new behaviors will have become your new status game. You see, status-seeking behavior must be a respected behavior that isn’t seen as overtly status seeking. Because we all agree that we don’t respect behavior that is done mainly to gain status. Even though we do, we do, we very much do.

It’s like a hedeonic treadmill for class, you can see it in naming trends. The middle class are desperate to distinguish themselves by what they do, because they are not the upper class, who are still upper no matter what they do, they don’t care because they don’t have to. Inevitably, the middle class steals inspiration from the working class, who worked hard to obtain that identity, and when a habit becomes common [mainstream], it falls into disuse, a castoff for the lowly to adopt for a few years.

Vibrant Shoreditch is dead, long live STEM Shoreditch, gentrifying London

hipster tantrums

You see, the government has been making a lot of noise about “Tech City” (Britain’s answer to Silicon Valley) and all the supposedly amazing apps and companies that are being built there….

I’m avoiding the place like Black Death.
I just mentioned it to a colleague (Shall we move to Shoreditch?) and she almost fell over laughing.

The idea was to attract “inward investment” – specifically, American venture capitalists investing in British companies. But that hasn’t happened. The only real effect of the government’s huffing and puffing about Shoreditch is that rents have gone up. A lot. Because the inward investment Shoreditch is receiving isn’t from California, but from Mayfair property developers, who see the area as the next big up-and-coming part of London.

Accordingly, they’re building luxury flats [for CEOs] and the scrappy two-person startups [on benefits] can’t afford to be in EC2 any more. It’s a highly predictable result – yet no one, apparently, told the people who were in charge of marketing the area in the first place. The result that former government staff are now crapping on their own legacies by protesting about the area’s regeneration. ….

Wait they didn’t expect the same scumbags would magically get real jobs and be able to afford it, did they? Development is an investment, it needs a return. The pre-existing locals are low-IQ, they cannot compete when the high IQ come knocking.

“We’re passionate about maintaining the style, charm and unique nature of Tech City,” says the website. Well, mate: if you’re wondering who’s most responsible for an influx of capital and building work that any normal person would consider bog-standard regeneration, perhaps you should find a mirror?

The technology industry is dominated [???] by hangers-on and wannabes who, when push comes to shove, don’t really like capitalism all that much. Cameron’s Tories apparently can’t tell the difference between those who are critical of some startups while supportive of the industry overall – your present correspondent, for example – and closet hippies who don’t mind cash and attention lavished in their direction, but who squeal like stuck pigs when developers move in to give their beloved neighbourhood a facelift.

Bringing in the right sort of people for the jobs?

Personally, I’ve never seen the charm of east London. “Up and coming” is normally a euphemism for “hellhole,” and Shoreditch does not buck that trend. It’s dirty, smelly, ugly, overpriced and full of absolutely awful people. The sooner it’s turned into luxury flats the better. Bring on the homeless spikes, I say!

I could help set them up?

As for the startups whining about rising rents, well. I, and others, told you years ago this is what would happen if you sucked up to the government and became useful idiots in Prime Minister Cameron’s public relations exercise. The cost of those invitations to Buckingham Palace was being priced out of the area a few years later and the wholesale destruction of the “community” you professed to love.

Anyway, the good news is that Tech City has indeed said no – but to Ben Southworth. Despite a frantic email campaign and furious tweeting, just 59 people have signed his petition to hold back the area’s economic development. Hashtag lol!

Probably ‘cos most of them couldn’t understand him, not speaking English ‘n all.

Hey, these hipsters and council people wanted more buildings in London, and they’re getting them.

……

Of course, it’s all Whitey’s fault.

White hipsters are a bigger threat than Black Looters;

Places such as Kingsland Road and Mare Street have become the trendiest places to be, but that has bought unrest of a different sort. The people who live here are not happy.

thankfully, they won’t live there much longer?

There are a lot of issues with the social cleansing that is becoming increasingly evident around here.

that happens to everyone, it’s called being poor aka cannot afford what you want

I try to keep away from the word ‘hipster’, and call them trendies instead. But it all means the same: gentrification. This means cleaning an area up and saying if you can’t afford to be here then you have to leave.

business? Even Councils need an ROI.

Now, if you walk along Kingsland Road on weekend nights, there will be several dozen people standing outside the retro bars and clubs, and, I’m sorry to say, they are all white. It’s impossible not to notice. If the same number of black people congregated on a street, they would be told to move on.

eh?

The riots began because people felt marginalised. They were unhappy and thought things were just always getting worse for them.

move somewhere else if it’s so bad?

The shooting of Mark Duggan was the spark that lit the tinderbox. Could it happen again? Never say never.

There are still young men out on the street late at night because there is nothing else for them to do. All the areas that we did have, especially for the ethnic minorities, have gone.

Areas? You mean businesses?

Money has come in since the riots, and that is all well and good, but it is not benefiting the poor people. The regeneration funds given to the council have been spent, in part, on a fashion hub. How is that helping the youngsters in the borough?

Is she suggesting we just pay these rioters or is that just my reading into it? Money begets money.

I’m no brain surgeon, but what I do know is that it’s not right. [according to…?] Build a massive community centre instead to integrate all the estates. If we’re talking about the need for a fairer society, we should look into things which can do that. [like giving them the opportunity to work in the new fashion hubs instead of stand around doing nothing?]

…When I look at my community now, I still don’t see anybody speaking up. [I see you. I wish I didn’t.] What we need to do is say we are all one [while rioting against one another] and we need to make it work together. [on whose £££?]

London belongs to all of us. Not just those who can afford to pay £5 for a cappuccino.

Market forces, love, market forces.

UPDATE: here’s some other coverage of this “deeply racist” article against white people.

Heil Hipster: Neo-Nazis form Nipsters

http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/news/heil-hipster-the-young-neo-nazis-trying-to-put-a-stylish-face-on-hate-20140623

“He won’t elaborate, for legal reasons, but he’ll happily share his topline thoughts about everything from Obama (whom he grossly describes as America’s “neger president”) to why black people don’t belong in Germany (“It’s against nature — there’s a reason we’re not walking around in the sun, in Ghana, with our skin color”), to why American neo-Nazis are “primitive” (“It’s like they’re always dressing up for a costume party”) and — because, just like many other Germans, he loves American TV — his strong feelings about the series finale of How I Met Your Mother (“The mother dying was a good reminder that the world isn’t a great place”).

Over the past year, partly because of leaders like Schroeder and partly because of the unstoppable globalization of youth culture, the hipsterification of the German neo-Nazi scene has begun to gain steam. This winter, the German media came up with a new term, “nipster,” to describe the trend of people dressing like Brooklyn hipsters at Nazi events. Experts have noted that the German neo-Nazi presence on Tumblr and other social networking sites has become sleeker and more sophisticated. Neo-Nazi clothing has become more stylish and difficult to recognize. There’s even a vegan Nazi cooking show. “If the definition of the nipster is someone who can live in the mainstream,” Schroeder explains, “then I see it as the future of the movement.”

Like Schroeder, whom he sees as an acolyte, Knape wants to give “nationalism” a friendlier, cooler face (in the NPD, and many other extreme-right organizations, “nationalist” often functions as a politically acceptable euphemism for “Nazi”). For Knape, who grew up with American pop culture, the idea of policing what young members of the scene watch or listen to is silly — he’d much rather hijack it, and use it to bring young people into the fold. Michael Schaefer, the JN’s excitable 31-year-old press person, chimes in: “We’ve taken over the nipster,” he says, giddily, before catching himself. “I mean nationalist hipster, not Nazi hipster.”

errr, nationalist isn’t the same as National Socialist.

“But, perhaps partly because of this internationalization of German culture, Knape struggles to define the “German traditions” he’s trying to preserve. It’s understandable: Germany, even by European standards, is a supremely contrived state composed of 300 formerly distinct political entities. Founded in 1871, it is also younger even than Canada — there’s a reason Hitler had to reach back to centuries-old, mythical folklore when trying to sell people on the idea of Germanic superiority. Knape says he wants more people to mark the “Sonnenwende” or solstice — a celebration the Nazis tried to revive in the Hitler era — for example, and to preserve the German language. He is concerned that “these days, we see a lot of people mixing German and English” — though he acknowledges that when it comes to technology, it’s “not easy to avoid.” He notes, with some resignation, that there is no German word for “hashtag.”

The NPD’s main platform is anti-immigration: A 2009 document sent out by the Berlin party head, for example, advocates banning “foreigners” from owning property in Germany. A 2012 investigation by Spiegel, Germany’s leading news magazine, found — surprise — widespread anti-Semitism within the party. In 2011, a Vice reporter photographed a barbecue stamped with “Happy Holocaust” outside an NPD office, and the same year, one NPD campaign poster featured a candidate on a motorcycle above the words “Give gas.” It was posted, among many other places, in front of Berlin’s Jewish Museum.

Although the extreme right has existed in Germany, in various forms, since World War II, the neo-Nazi scene as it exists today largely took shape in the 1980s, and spread dramatically after the fall of the Berlin Wall. Especially in the post-reunification East, where young people were suddenly robbed of the Communist strictures and institutions they had grown up with, extreme-right politics provided an easy outside explanation for their economic and cultural alienation: multiculturalism, asylum seekers, American “imperialism,” Israel and global big business.

Around the turn of the 21st century, the skinhead look waned and the scene underwent another philosophical and aesthetic transformation. “Society had started to react against the extreme right, and it became less attractive for young people to stigmatize themselves,” says Simone Rafael, the editor-in-chief of Netz Gegen Nazis, a blog that monitors the extreme right. As a result, a new extreme-right group, the Autonomous Nationalists (AN), began aping the look of the extreme left — black hoodies, black pants and even Che Guevara T-shirts (with the words “Not only Che would be with us”) — and incorporating traditionally progressive issues like environmentalism and animal rights  into neo-Nazi ideology. “Once [neo-Nazi leaders] saw it was successful, it was taken up by the scene,” says Rafael.”

Didn’t the Nazis do that stuff first? My school taught that, and glossed over it (work efforts, field preservation).

“Almost simultaneously, in 2002, a Brandenburg-based clothing brand called Thor Steinar began to sell stylish-looking clothes, reminiscent of Aeropostale, with Germanic runes and emblazoned with provocative, ambiguously extreme-right slogans, like “Ski Heil.” Thor Steinar was brought to court for its logo, which looked like a banned neo-Nazi symbol, but it later rebranded and in 2009 was sold to a company based in Dubai. It has registered its trademark in the United States — this spring it opened up its first British store in the North Finchley neighborhood in London — and in recent years, a slew of imitator brands have popped up, with names like Erik And Sons and Ansgar Aryan (the latter currently employs Patrick Schroeder in the sales department), allowing members of the extreme-right to surreptitiously identify each other in public.

These developments helped spur the notion, now championed by Knape and Schroeder, that young neo-Nazis should be allowed to dress however they want, as long as they have the “right” anti-immigrant, anti-Muslim, anti-Semitic ideas. This newly relaxed approach allows neo-Nazi leaders to attract young people from different subcultures and makes neo-Nazis more difficult for their opponents to identify. “Now the neo-Nazi youth culture is really broad,” says Christoph Schulze, one of several left-wing activists who assemble the annual Versteckspiel (“Hide and seek”), a glossary of symbols used by members of the extreme-right to surreptitiously identify one another.

Or you’re reading into it? And seeing anyone on the right as extreme? Yeah, they’re clutching at straws.

“”The movement is always changing,” Schulze says. “One thing goes out of fashion and there’s already something new. This year it’s the hipster.”

Hipster Racist was ahead of his time.

“”It’s a pretty new phenomenon,” Rafael says, noting that it marks a departure from the “manly” culture usually favored by the neo-Nazis. “It’s a good example of how this kind of thing is used very strategically,” she explains, echoing Schroeder. She has also noticed the emergence of a much hipper online neo-Nazi presence: “It’s a way of bringing the ideology into other circles, of finding entry points into hipster culture — blogs, selfies, Tumblr and so forth.”

Neo-Nazis on tumblr? Are you sure? The same tumblr full of gay porn and pleas for intersectionality? Deluded.

“In recent years, a growing number of neo-Nazi groups have staged savvy viral campaigns, including one where they dressed up as the Sesame Street Cookie Monster and distributed pamphlets to schoolchildren, and another involving a man in a bear costume calling himself the “deportation bear” and posing in front of Hanover Turkish shops. “They can easily produce something that has the appearance of looking hip,” says Koehler. “These aren’t just dumb East German youth — they understand how to package their political ideology.”

Lmao.

“Both Tim and Kevin claim to live a straight-edge lifestyle — no alcohol, no drugs — and got involved in the scene in their late teens. “There was an election and I read up on all of the parties, and I wound up getting interested in the NPD,” says Kevin. “Hitler isn’t part of our era, but he’s part of our ideology and that time, in terms of aesthetics and discipline and brotherhood, was a model for today,” Tim adds. He also argues that the Allies carry the blame for the outbreak of World War II and that if people are going to dwell on the Holocaust they should also dwell more on Stalin’s crimes.

Holodomor too.

Later they try and tar moderate or any centre-right parties with the same brush, typical BS from the Rolling Stone.

“The danger — in both cases — is that extreme-right positions might quietly shift into the mainstream.”

Do you live in a democracy or not?

“”If you were a teacher,” she says, “you used to be able to identify a skinhead in your class and you could think of ways to intervene. But now it’s harder to mainstream society to understand who these young people are and to engage with them.”

“With this in mind, Koehler thinks there is a need in Germany for a new, broader educational campaign on how to identify members of the extreme right. “A short while ago we did a study with judges and lawyers, who thought they weren’t encountering neo-Nazis because they weren’t seeing any skinheads,” he says, “but they have no idea anymore what a neo-Nazi looks like.”

I’m waiting with baited breath to see what the liberal hipsters do next and if this will be a case of catch-up or if, as I suspect, nipsters will win out for being edgy.