Might be a good way to check for faking, actually.
Might be a good way to check for faking, actually.
OOA for short. It’s fun watching them scrabble to keep the narrative ‘we’re all African’.
“Fossils recovered from an old mine on a desolate mountain in Morocco have rocked one of the most enduring foundations of the human story: that Homo sapiens arose in a cradle of humankind in East Africa 200,000 years ago. Archaeologists unearthed the bones of at least five people at Jebel Irhoud, a former barite mine 100km west of Marrakesh, in excavations that lasted years. They knew the remains were old, but were stunned when dating tests revealed that a tooth and stone tools found with the bones were about 300,000 years old.
“My reaction was a big ‘wow’,” said Jean-Jacques Hublin, a senior scientist on the team at the Max Planck Institute for Evolutionary Anthropology in Leipzig. “I was expecting them to be old, but not that old.”
Hublin said the extreme age of the bones makes them the oldest known specimens of modern humans and poses a major challenge to the idea that the earliest members of our species evolved in a “Garden of Eden” in East Africa one hundred thousand years later.”
Yeah yeah, sequence the genome.
““This gives us a completely different picture of the evolution of our species. It goes much further back in time, but also the very process of evolution is different to what we thought,” Hublin told the Guardian. “It looks like our species was already present probably all over Africa by 300,000 years ago. If there was a Garden of Eden, it might have been the size of the continent.” [DS: were*]
Jebel Irhoud has thrown up puzzles for scientists since fossilised bones were first found at the site in the 1960s. Remains found in 1961 and 1962, and stone tools recovered with them, were attributed to Neanderthals and at first considered to be only 40,000 years old. At the time, a popular view held that modern humans evolved from Neanderthals. [genetics confirms this in all non-Africans] Today, the Neanderthals are considered a sister group [wtf is that in science] that lived alongside, and even bred with, our modern human ancestors.”
I love it when The Guardian repeats the science I’ve been saying for years. They’re still clutching at straws.
“Other fossils and genetic evidence all point to an African origin for modern humans.”
Or outright lying.
“The most striking difference was the shape of the braincase which was more elongated than that of humans today. It suggests, said Hublin, that the modern brain evolved in Homo sapiens and was not inherited from a predecessor.”
No it does not. That’s distinctive to Cro Magnon man. Stop lying. Test for the characteristic R1 haplogroup of Cro Magnon man.
“The tools they brought with them have been resharpened, resharpened, and resharpened again. They did not produce new tools on the spot.”
Obviously they stole them. So, probably not Cro Magnon.
They died in a mountain. A mine of materials. Therefore, they couldn’t make those tools.
“But he finds the theory compelling. “The idea is that early Homo sapiens dispersed around the continent and elements of human modernity appeared in different places,”
That’s called the multi-regional hypothesis (MRH) and all the forensic evidence of Neanderthals proves it definitively. That is also why they say every race was actually Homo Sapiens except for them btw, they don’t want to count it.
“and so different parts of Africa contributed to the emergence of what we call modern humans today,” he said.”
No, that’s literally the opposite. Africa wasn’t the centre. There was no centre. There was NO Eden, there was no singular unified group, that is a Victorian myth.
And also, how can ‘Africa’ be the centre, but also different parts of it >1? OOA is limited to one source!
““One of the big questions about the emergence of anatomically modern humans has been did our body plan evolve quickly or slowly. This find seems to suggest the latter.”
“It seems our faces became modern long before our skulls took on the shape they have today.””
That is physically impossible if you ask a neuroscientist. The skull forms around the brain. Hell, ask a forensic anthropologist, if you can hear the reply through the laughter.
“Does the new find imply there was more than one hominin lineage in Africa at this time? It really stirs the pot.”
-more than one
-but in Africa
….Pangea isn’t Africa.
“Lee Berger, whose team recently discovered the 300,000 year-old Homo naledi, an archaic-looking human relative, near the Cradle of Humankind World Heritage site outside Johannesburg, said dating the Jebel Irhoud bones was thrilling, but is unconvinced that modern humans lived all over Africa so long ago. “They’ve taken two data points and not drawn a line between them, but a giant map of Africa,” he said.”
Cookie for you, Lee. Salty delivery, I like it.
“adding that stone tools can move around in cave sediments and settle in layers of a different age.” John is right but fails to mention that has limits based on the soil composition.
“For me, claiming these remains are Homo sapiens stretches the meaning of that term a bit,” Shea added. “These humans who lived between 50,000-300,000 years ago are a morphologically diverse bunch. Whenever we find more than a couple of them from the same deposits, such as at Omo Kibish and Herto in Ethiopia or Skhul and Qafzeh in Israel, their morphology is all over the place both within and between samples.”
Better, so close to the r-word, or at least sub-species?
“It really does look like in Africa especially, but also globally, our evolution was characterised by numerous different species all living at the same time and possibly even in the same places.”
The cognitive dissonance is strong.
Couldn’t even make it a single logical sentence.
While, if you look at a link at the bottom of that very article:
They admit the African skull they claimed as sub-human is actually just African human, modern African.
People think I’m shitting them with how much race reality the Guardian admits but they don’t know it’s leaking out. Never attribute to malice….
“The Dmanisi fossils show that H erectus migrated as far as Asia soon after arising in Africa.”
trans. We found them in Asia and need to cover this up.
“The latest skull discovered in Dmanisi belonged to an adult male and was the largest of the haul. It had a long face and big, chunky teeth. But at just under 550 cubic centimetres, it also had the smallest braincase of all the individuals found at the site.”
“They found that while the Dmanisi skulls looked different to one another, the variations were no greater than those seen among modern people and among chimps.”
If those African skulls weren’t human, they were sub-human, some maintain this.
“Everything that lived at the time of the Dmanisi was probably just Homo erectus,” said Prof Zollikofer.”
Here’s the photo:
“If you found the Dmanisi skulls at isolated sites in Africa, some people would give them different species names. But one population can have all this variation. We are using five or six names, but they could all be from one lineage.”
So close to admitting it.
So damn close.
“Some palaeontologists see minor differences in fossils and give them labels, and that has resulted in the family tree
accumulating a lot of branches,” said White. “The Dmanisi fossils give us a new yardstick, [no?] and when you apply that yardstick to the African fossils, a lot of that extra wood in the tree is dead wood. [your opinion is not proof] It’s arm-waving.”
Translated from academese: let’s lower the standard for Africa because it makes them look like chimps and not fully human.
Some are honestly skeptical of this proposition
“I think they will be proved right that some of those early African fossils can reasonably join a variable Homo erectus species,” said Chris Stringer, head of human origins at the Natural History Museum in London. “But Africa is a huge continent with a deep record of the earliest stages of human evolution, [note: not the only record] and there certainly seems to have been species-level diversity there prior to two million years ago. So I still doubt that all of the ‘early Homo’ fossils can reasonably be lumped into an evolving Homo erectus lineage. We need similarly complete African fossils from two to 2.5m years ago to test that idea properly.”
trans. They’re modern, just fucking admit it.
“This is a fantastic and important discovery, but I don’t think the evidence they have lives up to this broad claim they are making. They say this falsifies that Australopithecus sediba is the ancestor of Homo. The very simple response is, no it doesn’t.”
They’re terrified of saying race. Wonder why.
At least 15 skeletons of the species – named Homo Naledi – were found hidden deep in a cave dubbed the ‘Star Chamber’ in which is thought to be the earliest form of ritual burial ever discovered.
The early humans stood just five foot tall and weighed 100 pounds. Their hips were similar to our earliest ancestor, the hominid Lucy, but their shoulders were well designed for climbing but legs and feet were human like. Their skulls are like early humans, but their brains are tiny, just the size of an orange.
I’ll take the high route and say this is consistent with another human racial group. Too much similarity for another species.
Before the discovery scientists believed that only Homo sapiens had enough compassion and self awareness to bury the dead.
……Neanderthals don’t exist then, bitch?
We learned how to bury and care for the dead from them. From modelling them.
“We are also left with the idea that they did not live there. There is no archaeology. That has led us to the rather remarkable conclusions that we have just met a new species of human relative that deliberatley disposed of its dead inside of the chamber in cradle of mankind.
Like a Missing Link of sorts?
Their deliberate ignorance of evidence is astounding. Confirmation bias much?
“Overall, Homo naledi looks like one of the most primitive members of our genus, but it also has some surprisingly human-like features, enough to warrant placing it in the genus Homo.”
H. naledi’s teeth are described as similar to those of the earliest-known human relatives, as are most features of the skull but the shoulders are more similar to those of apes.
Dr Tracy Kivell of the University of Kent, in the UK, said: “The hands suggest tool-using capabilities.
“Surprisingly, H. naledi has extremely curved fingers, more curved than almost any other species of early hominin, which clearly demonstrates climbing capabilities.”
*looks at own hands*
I am a monkey? They look like mine. Longer thumb though but bone curvature is normal variance.
“The feet, combined with its long legs, suggest that the species was well-suited for long-distance walking,” he said.
Make your sodding mind up.
This is so wrong I’m not going to bother attempting a full breakdown, it would be a book. Suffice to say, this is why evolutionary psychology exists, but sure, ask a philosopher on a subject they have zero qualification for. What about the Calhoun experiments, which his site has documented? He must be either joking or too stupid to see the connections.
Clue is in the name, Natural Selection, the 19th century term, applies in a State of Nature, an 18th century term that Darwin was referencing. A state of man, as in The State, will change variables e.g. land resources (housing), cost of living/unemployment/benefits, mate availability (cultural). Each culture reinforces a different reproductive strategy: Europe (white-majority) has future-time orientation (reinforced by cross-cultural studies of time perception), we reach an equilibrium with the amount of resources we have (now economy, used to be sheer territory for agrarian usage). We avoid tragedy of the commons, and genetic (racial) homogeneity allowed us to cooperate with our kin into prosperity (most of our history, Christianity was a useful meme for this). Low time preference.
He seems to think humans should be this constantly replenishing organism like a virus (let’s leave 8 children per woman in Africa, huh?) but we used to have those numbers because few would survive to adulthood. Technology and crucially, MEDICINE, have allowed us to invest more as parents (Trivers) to compete in a high-IQ demanding society. Quality of children is vital in the First World. As long as we don’t mess up the Malthusian trap by say, letting in African ‘boat people’ en masse or destroying the successful host culture until it breaks, the developed world will be stable.
Has he even read On Origin? Descent of Man? Natural Selection? Nope. He’s going by what school taught him, how redpill…..
Another point I need to make;
Female animals DO use drug contraceptives or otherwise control their estrus (hidden in humans) all the time, e.g.
The Ancient Romans had a contraceptive so successful they used it to extinction;
Silphium was an important species in prehistory, as evidenced by the Egyptians and KnossosMinoans developing a specific glyph to represent the silphium plant. It was used widely by most ancient Mediterranean cultures; the Romans considered it “worth its weight in denarii” (silver coins). Legend said that it was a gift from the god Apollo.
This philosopher Roosh is citing doesn’t know jack about the relevant subjects and to anyone with a brain it shows.
Another counter-example or few, explain these;
r/K Selection Theory and amygdala damage in neoliberals. Conspicuous by omission. http://www.anonymousconservative.com/blog/the-theory-2/
Liberal fertility rates. Covered spectacularly well here: https://jaymans.wordpress.com/2012/11/30/expectations-and-reality-a-window-into-the-liberal-conservative-baby-gap/
Neoliberals are by no means the standard bearers of fertility, I believe he thinks this way due to urban living.
As for altruism, someone please force-read him: http://www.amazon.com/Pathological-Altruism-Barbara-Oakley/dp/0199738572
The West is experiencing increasing: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compassion_fatigue
Those neoliberals and SJWs are already genetic dead-ends. Reproduction is a genetic arms race. They have lost. Anti-natal policies will do that.
When evolutionary pressures come back into play (they always do: war, famine, epidemic, etc. all the old favourites) what will happen? The victor experiences a ‘Baby Boom’.
When those selection pressures occur, on an infinite timescale it becomes a question of WHEN, what do you think happens to the human mind? Do you assume it just stays the same in your infinite wisdom of grosser biology?
Everyone is nice when resources are plentiful (Hence I reff’d r/K), it’s the ‘fat and happy’ stereotype of the glut (yes, that’s what that is). When resources become scarce, fight or flight become a reality. The nicest sweetest kindest neoliberals with a heart of gold would gut the granny next door if they were starving, the mindset is totally different, primal and beyond conscious control.
Many people seem to believe that we human beings never arose from nature the way every other living thing did, that we are somehow “beyond,” removed from, nature. But this is a very unfortunate – even a tragic – misconception. Like all other living things, our ancestors were sculpted by Darwinian evolution to survive, reproduce, and thrive within a certain kind of environment. And when we live in environments, such as modern cities, that are drastically different from the environments that we’re biologically adapted for, we become subject to various “evolutionary mismatch” effects that can be extremely detrimental to our physical and emotional health.
http://www.nature.com/nrn/journal/v16/n5/full/nrn3918.html Latest research. Latest in a long line.
Research in animals and humans has revealed some of the structural, functional and molecular changes in the brain that underlie the effects of stress on social behaviour. Findings in this emerging field will have implications both for the clinic and for society.
European history, for instance, is filled with instances of shipwrecked crews and passengers who resorted to cannibalism—even if it meant murdering someone. But, those who were rescued, including the ships’ officers, never had charges pressed against them, as long as they assured the courts that a lottery had been held to determine who would die for the sake of the larger group
The classic example being: if you were in a plane crash would you eat the dead if it meant you could live?
Everyone’s answer is yes if they’re honest and self-aware.
When the axe is to the grindstone, your “fairweather friends” will leave. Humans doling out charity means nothing when they aren’t hard up themselves. If they can afford to give, what is the value? It becomes another trinket and status signalling shows us this, a vapid ploy from arrogance. This is a part of the Bible people misinterpret, it recognised this biological reality.
The people who eschew children would generally make bad parents (no instinct for example) and they choose to spend those resources on themselves, the ultimate in short-sightedness as children are the original pension (they look after you when you can’t work, maybe you babysit the grandchildren, a model older than the State and found in other primates). As it is, since the Sexual Revolution, pro-feminist anti-natal generations have encouraged the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographic_trap and have only themselves to blame when there aren’t enough tax-paying kiddies to pay their Social Security and other pie-in-the-sky social projects. (Boomers: You failed as humans, you failed to have enough kids to carry things on. It’s basic and you failed. Nothing else matters if there’s nobody to hand the baton to before you die.)
Corporal punishment used to root out the liars and the other genetic deformities (mental illness, serial killers, rapists etc). http://marginalrevolution.com/marginalrevolution/2015/03/politically-incorrect-paper-of-the-day-death-penalty-eugenics.html
If evolution was in effect, it would have been impossible for the “veneer” of civilization to develop.
Civilization developed from pockets of successful tribes, we know it’s possible because we’re here, doofus. Humans are social animals, and one theory of intelligence is that it developed to enhance our ability to lie. Deception keeps civilized society afloat (white lies).
There is no veneer specifically made for humans.
Humans have a thick cerebral cortex. Birds? Not so much.
The stories of man can’t help but include a puppet master that is controlling all our behavior. Before it was god, now it’s genes.
Roosh: People who believe in evolution victim-blame the organism when it acts outside the confines of evolution.
It’s almost like there’s a part of the brain recently-evolved which can suppress our baser instincts
The brain’s prefrontal cortex is thought to be the seat of cognitive control, working as a kind of filter that keeps irrelevant thoughts, perceptions and memories from interfering with a task at hand. Now, researchers have shown that inhibiting this filter can boost performance for tasks in which unfiltered, creative thoughts present an advantage.
Any concept based in evolution is unfalsifiable if you demand a fucking time machine before you believe anything. Good methodology in evopsych rules this out.
“Evolutionary psychology” is an approach and a set of theories, not a single hypothesis, so no single experiment can falsify it, just as no single experiment can falsify the theory of evolution or the connectionist (neural network) approach to cognition. But particular hypotheses can be individually tested, such as the ones on the relation of symmetry to beauty or the relation of logical cognition to social contracts, and tests of these are the day-to-day activity of evolutionary psychology. Journals such as Evolution and Human Behavior are not filled with speculative articles; they contain experiments, survey data, meta-analyses, and so on, hashing out particular hypotheses. And as I mentioned above, over the long run the approach called evolutionary psychology could be found unhelpful if all of its specific hypotheses are individually falsified.
They aren’t. They’re fodder for other subjects like genetics and neurology.
Evolution is an ongoing process. http://www.livescience.com/45685-human-evolution-not-over.html
Roosh has bought into the neolib frame that they are the end and future of the world.
Disappointing from a redpill. He’s trying to post-hoc rationalize his overt fertility clock.
Yes, you wasted years of your life running after skanks and no decent wife material would touch you with a bargepole. You made that choice and must live with it (player burnout). You sneered at beta males off having kids. That door is probably closed to you now, in triple digits. #RedpillRegret
memo: Thickness of the cerebral cortex is a good proxy for intelligence.
Several years ago, another group had discovered that this gene had arisen after an ancestral gene made an incomplete copy of itself. Because humans had the additional version whereas chimps did not, they concluded that the duplication occurred after the human and chimp lineages split off. Neither mice nor chimps have ARHGAP11B, but modern humans and their ancient relatives, the Denisovans and Neandertals, do. “That it was a human-specific gene duplication made it very exciting,” Huttner says.
You WANT wrinkles on your brain.
A wide swathe of our understanding of human and human-like origins is limited by practical factors. Chief among those is excavation permissions. London has full layers of history underneath it, but when any new site is found it is usually kept a secret to keep renovation costs down (no need to bring in experts for removal). It used to be that the first modern archeological digs were in Africa, because the land is so undeveloped anyway, it was cheap, and later in the Middle East (primarily the Victorian’s obsession with Egypt).
Scientific theories follow the evidence, or they should do, in theory.
Due to this constraint, OOA, which stands for the Out of Africa model was developed. This theory called Africa the Cradle of Life for all of humanity, long before we had a proper knowledge of genetics. It was useful to the Victorians (yes, it’s a Victorian theory) to support their practice of slavery and the expansion of the Empire to assist the ‘devolved’, later “noble savages”, as part of the Christian mission, which held all peoples to be worthy of help as long as they accepted God’s word.
The tribes and small villages encountered were backward in many ways. Witchcraft, cannibalism, torture, gang-rape…
When the passage to the Orient (Asia) was fully opened and easily accessible, archeology began in full there too. Denisovans were discovered, a highly advanced race on par with Neanderthals. We’d now call them Eurasian, geographically. No one is certain what happened to them, a combination of war and outbreeding (miscegenation). To this day, plenty of Europeans and Asians carry traces of Denisovan DNA, as non-Africans tend to carry traces of Neanderthal. The latter was different enough from modern humans, Homo Sapiens to merit classification as a distinct species, although given new knowledge of interbreeding with Europeans primarily, this is incorrect. You see, the species/racial divide is created by fertility potential. As Neanderthals could and did interbreed with us, they could not correctly be considered a separate species, but a race of humanity. The same goes for Denisovans, and they seem as advanced in some ways as Neanderthals, despite the scant information we have on them. Recently, Denisovans have been inaccurately subsumed into the Homo Sapiens classification because they raised uncomfortable questions about intelligence and their carbon dating, which contradicts the OOA model.
OOA has been rewritten a number of times by
frauds now in an effort to retain exorbitant foreign aid funding to Africa with the excuse that we owe Africa our existence as the Cradle of Life. The facts no longer support this. In fact, the negative evidence of non-African DNA at all completely refutes OOA to any true scientific mind observing. Its objective existence is proof of the fraud, yet it is still pushed as fact because of the foreign interest in keeping the NGO money flowing. The theory supported by the evidence is the MRH or Multi-Regional Hypothesis. MRH is exactly what it sounds like, there were many races which developed across all/multiple continents and most of these remain to this day while others (Denisovan, Neanderthal) were driven to extinction. OOA is to anthropology what creationism is to biology. With MRH, however, these different races still living would each require public acknowledgement and protection. Savvy readers know that probably isn’t going to happen.
Either humanity is a very broad umbrella term encompassing the entire spectrum of intellect and ability, or we must ignore most forensic evidence since the 1800s to keep the hippies happy.
“It suggests instead that the later phases of human evolution were more of a labyrinth of biology and peoples than simple lines on a map would suggest.”
Of course, we know why.
Keywords: MRH, negative evidence, Denisovans, Cro Magnons.