Narcissistic male views marriage as status symbol

And a cover. It is less a yoke and more a ball and chain because they expect to take, take take and never give (even their gender role) unless they expect more in return – so not a union, more like running a business.

Good marriages aren’t a scoreboard.

Being married isn’t an achievement, you signed your name. It isn’t a status to hit others with like a rhetorical weapon. A good marriage is an achievement but I guarantee the married men bitching about single women don’t have one of those. Shouldn’t you be with your family than wasting time online? It’s un-Biblical, they’re bad husbands. They cherish every woman BUT their wife. (And they deny their body belongs to their wife).

The Madonna/Whore complex means they are emotionally impotent with their own wife. They hate her because she is his wife. (Because they hate themselves, thus resent her for loving him).

They don’t have empathy, they can’t love (even themselves). They can only imitate and parody i.e. seduction, “romance” cliches, while acting out of sync behind the mark’s back (lying, confabulated memory, cheating). It’s ALL superficial so they intend to lovebomb, mirror (to seem like a soulmate) and trick “good” women into the trap of legal union (personality disorders do this all the time, usually the mask doesn’t slip until after the wedding so long courtship had the old role of filtering them out). The prey can’t escape.

There is usually gaslighting during courtship into codependency (or deeper from an already codependent woman) so he uses the woman for supply before the marriage but she views it as emotional intimacy (wrong*), taking advantage of the novelty of the situation and fact she hasn’t seen all his sides (not informed consent). They don’t even know how bitter he is until after marriage, typically (because he is running off her supply so it doesn’t come out). These are later the divorced guys who act like innocent maidens attacked by the dragon of divorce and warn all men off marriage because they personally sucked at it. (Husband is a job so they devalue it once it turns out to be, you know, WORK).

Psychopaths are best known for doing that bait and trap thing with marriage, we need strict legal protections from such people (men and women both) and psychopaths are the most pathological narcissist.

There are plenty of good videos on that channel, including ones about women and traits the narcissist seeks to take for themselves via relationships, as an emotional vampire.

Oh, and they always cheat in marriage. They claim all men are similarly weak or “unhappy” because they don’t like other men either, thinking of other men as happy, faithful or good husbands would kill them on the inside.

So when no-fault divorce is over, they’ll be screwed twice!

Marriages require both parties to have emotional maturity (cooperation, compromise) so any union with a narcissist in it is doomed, even if the other party is a literal Saint. Naturally, it’s never their fault, like any incompetent person so they get married again and again and make the same “mistakes” again and again but there’s no agency involved apparently.

They were innocent victims of the vagina, as they purchased a ring and got down on one knee and said things they didn’t mean and spent months planning and turned up to say some lines and where, oh, where, did they go wrong?

They’re never wrong, according to them. Despite how their life is always a mess.

They’ll claim men are leaders in a marriage but resent the business of actually leading.

This is the guy who’ll claim to be traditional but hates religion and has a long, long line of “exes” you’re not “allowed” to “judge”. They’re such hypocrites they’re a walking joke.

*Emotional labour is real and doing too much of it (for two whole people) can kill a woman (stress x disease risk) or, rarely, a man. Commonly, a man is killed by stress at work (physical labour) but a woman’s lifespan is shortened by stress at home (emotional labour) so who a woman marries can literally be life or death, it can be the difference of a happy life and extra decades. Women need this information.

I’d bet good money that Type A men have an unhappy marriage and the woman has a similar disease risk profile. A married man’s primary responsibility is to his wife and until society pushes this point hard, men won’t try. They’ll ignore the marriage for career, friends, addiction (workaholism is the socially desirable addiction though). If the man won’t Be the Man, nothing the woman does will succeed. Men shirk their duties, abandon the home (literally or spiritually) and what can a woman do about that? Force him? No! Then she’s being the man!

And random but when society values women’s happiness and feminine energy levels over her contribution to GDP, we’ll be nicer overall. EVERYBODY WINS.

I’ve seen feminine women mocked by other women (envy) and torn down by men (who knows it’s easier to bed a High T harridan). Pick your poison, guys. Either you want women to earn their keep and be a whore in your bedroom or you want a docile purer kind and shun the former. You can’t expect mutual exclusives, it’s impossible. And you have to be worthy of the woman you want or it won’t last.

Funny example

One guy I spoke to said he liked “traditional women” but he also filtered FOR a “career woman”.

His words. He thought this was clever. He wanted the status of her “achievements”, you see.

When pressed (and I was pressed myself at the ignorance), he said he expected a woman to have a “good” (secure) job (be locked in), and have “at least” a middle-class salary. I just told him he sounded like a woman… from the 50s.

He literally did, I swear, there were other details that sealed it e.g. sexual experience. Why would any sane man want a wife who’s had more fun with other men?

He insisted there was no contradiction or way this could possibly backfire on him. That, my friends, is the idiot in action. When I pointed out those are impossible values systems, polar opposites, he claimed a traditional woman would be “bad in bed” (like you can’t teach them?) and “lazy” for not wanting an office job. The feminist propaganda has sunk into men the deepest.

They feel entitled to seek their male qualities in their wife.

That’s dysfunctional and you can’t convince me otherwise.

How lazy! What, is he going to take on the female role and give birth?

He only claimed to want trad because it’s the current status symbol, because he likes the idea of it and the supply it might give him. He married an SJW. She cooks sometimes and “lets him” tradlarp. He’s a moron. The woman who is cautious is feminine, there’s no rush – the woman desperate for a husband, any husband, is using you.

I have betting odds on his divorce. Easy money.

https://disenchantedscholar.wordpress.com/2018/07/16/why-wont-women-be-right-wing/

As it is, hypersexualised porno society has made women very masculine, higher T. They also need it to defend themselves in a low trust, multiculti society and that, naturally, never gets a mention. Unsafe society = everyone gets more aggressive. Sort out the former and the latter reverts.

We’re cultural refugees, in a way. Pining for a world that doesn’t exist.

We live in the dishonour culture, where people who act like whores aren’t ashamed of it, they’re proud. With freedom of association, we could avoid these people (m/f).

Not every man who wants to get married would be a good husband. Sometimes they want a slave to abuse but in the Bible such treatment (like property, like using a machine or a PA, housekeeper) instead of the equal yoke, to love and to cherish, was grounds for divorce. So nope, they can’t hide behind religion…. unless we can stone them for adultery (lawsuits were less bloody).

Trad test: what should be the punishment for adultery?

Trads know adultery is a crime. To “commit” adultery demands punishment.

Good men versus porn addict liars

Prime example why women need social protection.

Christians need to talk about this or our own group is a sitting, gullible duck.

Lies have legal consequences.
http://www.lovewhatmatters.com/im-that-girl-that-spent-6-months-with-a-ring-on-her-finger-that-girl-that-planned-an-entire-wedding-only-to-find-out-a-week-prior-it-was-all-a-lie/

A few obvious points, obvious to fellow K-types.

Never marry an addict.
Porn is cheating.  (see Bible)
Porn destroys marriages. (because adultery is the thrill)

“The coldest thing I’ve ever witnessed in my entire life is the lying eyes of the man I love, gazing deep into my soul as multiple lies rolled from his lips. He knew it was all a lie, but for some reason, he could look at the woman he claimed to love so dearly straight in her eyes, and lie to her face. I never knew until that moment how unconsciously cold a single person could be.”

A liar for years? Congratulations, you avoided a miserable marriage to a filthy narcissist. Being married to one of those (m/f) can make you wish you were dead, if you read countless online accounts, so God was protecting you from that.

To lie multiple times (and every day) plus once caught? Narc.
Possibly psychopath, since he only seemed to value her as a status object (wife).

Good women can still be treated like dirt by burned out r-types pretending to be traditional to cash out and “have it all” (but once the novelty has worn off, they cheat and get divorced anyway, they just wanted the status – women can do it too). Women have a right to know and avoid bad marriage prospects. (As do good men from bad women).

betrayal trauma occurs when someone we depend on for survival or are significantly attached to, violates our trust in a critical way.”

A divorce would be Christian in this case, if they had married because 1. he was depicting himself in “false light”, she didn’t know who she was marrying. Plus the abuse psychologically from the cheating (2, betrayal trauma) and the addiction itself (3, which causes brain damage).

He portrayed himself as a good, honest man to trick her into legal wedlock.

Good honest women need to be protected from this type. She was true.

He didn’t even know what love is!

Makeup you can wash off. Lies void contracts. His narc mirroring caused her emotional bond, she never really fell for him because there is no him. There’s nothing in there! No person!

Narcs prefer to bond with empaths so good women must be especially vigilant. They assume you’ll be like a replacement mother figure and never leave them, you see. There’s logic. Whatever abuse, a mother’s love is eternal.

You can’t have a good marriage and Christian life + children with an r-type.

They are never satisfied in ANY marriage, it’s the nature of personality disease!

If they could change, they’d have done it before you met or they’d be prudent enough to never get an addiction in the first place.

Narcissists run the Bird with a Broken Wing routine, don’t fall for it.

Send them to a shrink, don’t play Mommy! Your husband is supposed to be the one caring for YOU.

Professionals have to train and gain the ability to prescribe serious meds for this! You can’t talk it out!

The level of psychopathic disdain to lie to her and plan this deception over years…. likely psychopath.

I bet he randomly showed up at a church to go wife-hunting (yes, hunting) because a PUA forum told him to. AVOID the crazy. Peeple was a good idea – as a courtship app. It replicates an honour culture, where reputation is well known.

Imagine hiring a business partner and finding out they have a criminal record. Like that only a very intimate betrayal. Possibly rape by fraud. Possibly. Note her disgust at the mask drop. Solid K response.

Psychopaths’ MO is to hide who they really are (for years) until AFTER the marriage. So you can’t run.

All other mental illness typically presents before a wedding so a psycho is literally every man/woman’s worst nightmare as a fiance/e.

Get a background check. If they get defensive, immediately break it off.

False light on wikipedia doesn’t discuss marital fraud anymore (bring it back, Trump!) but there are others.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Misrepresentation

misrepresentation is an untrue or misleading[1] statement of fact made during negotiations by one party to another, the statement then inducing that other party into the contract.[2][3]

Marriage is a contract.

Legally binding.

The misled party may normally rescind the contract, and sometimes may be awarded damages as well (or instead of rescission).

https://info.legalzoom.com/meant-fraud-grounds-divorce-24925.html

Fraud
The definition of fraud in the context of divorce law varies between states. Generally, it means that one spouse grossly misrepresented issues so important that the other spouse would not have married him had she known the truth. For example, when a husband tells his wife before they married that he had never been married before and she discovers after the marriage that he was lying. His lie about his previous marriage may be considered fraud, especially if the wife can show that she would not have married him had she known this was his second marriage. Little white lies usually do not constitute fraud.”

Precisely. Christian expectations for a Christian marriage. It’s very simple.

Lies have legal consequences, degenerates.

Marriage is all about who/what you are. You lie about that, clear-cut case of fraud. K-types deserve legal protection. R-types shouldn’t care because they don’t want to marry!

Do we have to get them to sign a legal disclaimer that they haven’t falsely represented themselves?

Isn’t the marriage contract enough?

A voice for murderers, more like

Women tend to get custody because women evolved for childcare.

Including far lower infanticide rates. That isn’t “gynocentrism”, that’s called evolution.

You can’t say a woman’s place is raising kids – but men get custody. Those are opposites.

It’s like either women are too physically weak to fend off rape or the draft should be extended. The former is true in both cases, the latter is rationalization based on liberal creationism.

Child psychology shows a far greater dependence on the mother. It’s science.

You don’t pick your slow cousin in dodgeball. You don’t pick the fat runner.
You are good at some things and terrible at others. Get over yourself.

Childcare is like the ONE thing men can never claim. Yet they try?

Do you also have more manly periods? Competition in men is only for OTHER MEN.

Competing with women on female tasks is… weak, basically. Imagine a woman challenging a man to a colour description test. It’s patently unfair and low. You have to rig it? Ew, omega.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/6975391/murder-suicide-note-dad-suffocated-daughter-with-plastic-bag/

A MONSTROUS dad who suffocated his seven-year-old daughter in an alleged murder-suicide left a note on her body saying the family “got what they deserved”.

Why does everyone hate MRAs?

Her mother Kathryn’s family revealed she was desperately trying to get full custody of Kayden from her ex-partner because of his “history of violence”.

It’s a mystery.

Rape/kidnapping/murder apologists aka narcissists.

No, you are not entitled to everything you want.

Modern men’s sexual dysfunction

https://www.alternet.org/sex-amp-relationships/unveiling-madonna-whore-complex

Ah, the projection is funny to watch. The woman who slept with two men including them is a “whore” but the speaker at 20+ is as morally, spiritually pure as virgin snow. Pull the other one.

The delusions….

Having a tendency to ruin themselves on cheap types and, once burned out, wonder why they hate decent people as boring and resent good women and marriage.

Orgastic impotence (bad sexuality) intrudes too. Plenty of fuckboy types write long articles online that just telegraph to anyone with a functioning upstairs brain that they’re sexually damaged and incapable of intimacy, physical or emotional (typical of narcissists).

As it applies in the context of relationships in modern times, Madonna-whore complex generally manifests itself after marriage or the birth of a child as Dr. Suraci explains:

“A man may think of his wife as a mother and not an appropriate sex partner.

Conditioning.

He is accustomed to having intercourse with a sexy woman and his wife does not fit the bill.

Rude.

She is now the mother – Madonna. Unconsciously, she may remind him of his mother who cannot be a sexual being,” he said.

Idiotic.

You should be able to divorce for that, the husband has duties. Sexual performance and sexual fidelity, physically and emotionally.

According to Dr. Joel Block, Ph.D., a psychologist who specializes in couples and sex therapy, some of these men have a difficult time committing:

They “stray” to keep their vulnerability in check.

emotional immaturity

Cannot have emotional intimacy.

They are usually unconsciously fearful of getting too attached.  Having a woman on the side gives them a better sense of control.  With all this effort, many guys do start seeing their women, especially in long term relationships, resembling their mom”, he told Alternet.

Then they complain when she files for divorce from the biggest baby.

Ask yourself why cheating is the most common reason for divorce.

Well, it’s better than stoning, isn’t it?

While Stefan is going on about the importance of marriage, special attention needs to go on the basic common sense DON’T CHEAT.

However, Dr. Kanaris says that the disorder is exacerbated in a variety of ways, not necessarily just through affairs, but essentially manifests through the male diverting sexual energy away from the primary relationship

That’s what adultery is.

That’s it.

– such as toward pornography or erotic massage.

Still cheating, seeking physical satisfaction elsewhere. How would they feel if the other spouse did it?

Normalised in this society is not normal.

To look with lust in your heart yada yada.

Women are repulsed by the visual

Men do not understand this.

Women are repulsed by ugly visuals, to the same degree men love tits.

A woman has to like or especially love a man, to love the sight of his genitals.

Girl sends guy’s unsolicited dick pic to his grandmother

Women are also triggered into flight mode, jet speed, at anything approaching a controlling plot or a sexual stalker.

This keeps us alive.

Women don’t want a caveman with steroid rage and bitch tits.

Poetic men aren’t superficial gym rats.

“On the first few dates” hello entitlement, my old friend…

If she’s so high quality…. nevermind.

translation into Womanese:

So sensitive to your needs I keep sending you guilt-trip essays to pressure you in a vulnerable time to give me things.

See, an emotionally intelligent man would be her shoulder to cry on.

No. This guy practically wants a signed contract.

An unsolicited photo is presumed to have no privacy requirements.

It goes well when he treats her like a human being rather than a Darwinian sex toy responsive to a provider bravado (you cannot mix r and K, dumbass).

“Core stuff… like exercise?”

Ah. I see your problem. She didn’t fancy you because you’re either stupid or vain, likely both.

Why don’t men ever consider, why don’t I see women with vapid men?

He failed the test to make room in a busy life, she was dithering.

Over and premature and inappropriate sharing, he doesn’t know the rules. They are strangers.

She literally has no time for him – or anyone. He takes this like a sensible mature man.

Nah, jk.

He didn’t even lead with a photo of his face smiling at her, he’s an idiot.

“Why can’t women be honest?” This is a fine example. She was honest. She didn’t owe him that.

This is why we can’t be nice to anyone vaguely creepy.

They take any response as a Yes. This ends up with you dead in a ditch.

Hey, she explained? She’s trying to improve his social skills.

That’s pity.

He doesn’t know the meaning of unsolicited. Unless a woman says “ok/sure, send me that type of photo” SHE DOES NOT WANT THAT TYPE OF PHOTO. Hell, most women wouldn’t like a random unsolicited photo of a cute puppy! It’s weird! Our creepdar is sensitive!

Koy? Witness the low IQ male, thinking leagues do not exist.

You lead me on – by replying? Wow, that’s like “your Honour, I didn’t rape her, she was wearing a miniskirt!”

“You can’t string me along” – by being friendly, kind, feminine, human. This, THIS is why women need to be cold. Need to, for survival.

You have to” – crazy, crazy entitled.

Imagine if your boss said you had to give him a blowjob because you chatted at the water cooler.

I’m guessing this poor boy bought one of Roosh’s text game books?

A guess, but 99% probable.

The delusion of treating a woman like a cross between an item you control and a slut (when she’s really good) comes through here.

The family needs to be held responsible for the fruit.

Look at all the immaturity of this thread.

That is modern man.

A breakdown for the simple coming across this

I have a good job – I think I can buy your pussy, the one part I care about

I have credentials but cannot reason emotionally for five minutes

I want to settle down – I want to trap you, stranger, so you can never leave me

Take care of my princess – I want to be your Dad but also I’m basing my lust on your appearance, knowing nothing else about you

I’ve thought about you for so long – but never checked in about this with a mature man who would tell me to befriend you and see if we have anything in common before envisaging a white picket fence like a crazy person making a skin suit to be close to you

This is Simpsons tier.

Did all this for you – never checked what you wanted because you aren’t a human being with valid preferences, you will always defer to me, random obsessive man

This is the thanks I get – you should be grateful I want to stalk you and keep you in a jar shaped like my basement. My fixated attention is a priceless unique gift, like a snowflake and the sexual attention is universally prized.

Wow. Just wow. – I am worse than all the people I mock.

I had to look up KYS. It means kill yourself. The narcissist’s idealization/devaluation is triggered pre-emptively by narcissist rage. She is vindicated in making 100000000% the right decision. He is defective inside.

No one wants you – I am a spiteful little bitch who wanted to poison something beautiful

This is good for spotting awful women too. Leave them to one another, they deserve it.

or could ever be attracted to you and your small tits – I am jealous of the man who gets to appreciate your best features and want to make you insecure so you never attract that real man and end up alone like me.

This is the clinical example of a mantrum.

https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=mantrum

I was just trying to do the right thing – I was trying to use you but your instincts kicked in and I couldn’t get my way so you have to suffer the emotional hysteria of a man who has never been told No by relatives.

Extend a olive tree – I think I can learn things off the internet and impress other people because I’m statistically likely to be a psychopath, assume everyone is naive and stupid as me. I’m superficial but think I’m morally superior to everyone, including Saints. Really, this is a cover for my degeneracy. My grammar sucks because I cannot pay attention, worse than a dog and will last no more than two months in any person’s life.

Since your gonna have such a hard time out there – I believe everything I read on the internet when it makes me feel better about my own suffering, by telling me that women will get the bitch version of karma, even when they’re a good person.

I thought I’d give you one good fuck before – I think you have the agency of a mop I can pick up and use. I am one of the worst lovers in human history and probably think the female orgasm is a stand-up joke. I think normal men talk like this. You’ll be sorry not to catch my STDs!

Back to the world of loniness and rejection like you deserve – I can judge you as inferior because you aren’t a whore. You’re a prude and that’s something to be proud of, I wish I could have standards but if I repeat the shaming often, you might believe it’s something wrong with you and seek me out to fix you? I get rejected by other men, this isn’t sexual, I’m just a terrible human being and refuse to acknowledge this.

Srsly, kys. – I bought a MAGA hat with no irony. I have no self awareness of my ridiculous existence and refuse to see the family therapist I desperately need. Daddy, why U leave me?????? 😦 Revenge fucking women is my calling, maybe I’ll understand him better if I repeat his mistakes.

I’m gonna gocsll one of the 3 or 5 women who live just to fuck me either individually or all at once – I definitely read ROK and live in a deluded world of fantasy involving a harem of white women. This makes me a good person rather than a sad degenerate who sorely needs a slap and some decent priorities. I can trust Roosh on what white women want. So many seem to adore him.

Full stops – rage typing is the longest conversation you’ll ever get from me, borderline psychotic poet. I will continue to stalk you on social media, send bitchy screeds to your friends to turn them against you, maybe try to get you fired in a few months because I am the sorest loser and will never, ever forget this. It’s your fault I have no life, and every other woman! I will end up being conned by a Thai bride who said she was a virgin. This is still not my fault. It’s society.

Sending it to his grandmother – finally, the rot is exposed.
Except he gets it from her. Hence, they need family therapy. She victim blames. Okay, tell the police? It’s harassment. Spot the r-types, that are fine with this all the way up to public sex.

This is why you post them to gay sites. They wanted everyone in the world to see, and now they’re uncomfortable too!

He’s not in school – grandmother admits he is a psychopath

schedule frees up – porn addict, maybe drugs

I wouldn’t want you to see him – I’m acting like I’m rejecting you first so you feel bad, I am also bat shit and have no sense of right or wrong.

I’ll have him send an apology – I think you are stupid, he will never change, now or in three divorces’ time

I’d rather he not contact me again – woman knows grandma is a cunt.

Just go to the police, darling. He threatened you multiple times.

“hormones are something” – retardation is genetic

“he does need reminding” – I’ll tell him it was your fault for not appreciating the baby

I’m sorry you went through that – I just looked it up and since you can press criminal charges I’m trying to butter you up with sweet granny act

BUT – I am covering this little pampered prick’s ass

he was just confused – telling you to die wasn’t enough to do once, he really needed to make sure you knew he was seriously fantasizing about your death, lovely woman who has been bothered out of nowhere by a nutter, his future threat to you will be written off by me as misguided until he gets stabbed in a bar for being a little bitch to the wrong person

He is a good person – He gets it from me

He takes this tack with most women, so don’t feel singled out  – this is normal, forget it’s illegal and blame yourself. Don’t seek out other victims or go to the police, especially if he keeps coming after you in ten years, from a bush. I don’t expect an 18yo+ to act like a fucking adult.

I really think he was just confused – knowing female psychology I hope you will get confused and hate yourself for causing this anguish when your only crime was to be nice to an omega one time and own a phone

Have a good night – don’t bother me again or I’ll show you my narcissistic rage too

Send my best to the family – I will come after you harder

I see your in school now, congrats – Here’s a distraction! A little flattery, I’m so smooth! I looked up where you live!

I’m not really sure what else to say – to reiterate how I will blame you until my death for his “loneliness” and want you to suffer just like he does, painfully, would be easy to screencap like this for police, so I’m going to pretend I’m awkward instead of murderously angry. Cunty church women who bully children into being insane are the worst form of evil.