Why are women delaying children?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-5908717/Women-freezing-eggs-unable-men-commit-relationship.html

They can’t find a man to commit to the investment with.

“Single women are freezing their eggs due them being unable to find men who will commit to a relationship, rather than to focus on their careers, new research suggests.
Delaying motherhood to focus on work is the least common reason women undergo the procedure, a Yale University study found today.”

“Some 85 percent of the participants were single”

The instinct is that strong.

“Speaking of the findings , study author Dr Marcia Inhorn said: ‘Our study suggests that the lack of a stable partner is the primary motivation. Freezing eggs holds out hope for many”

It isn’t education, it’s the stability of marriage.
Speak to women.

this comment explains the ignorance
“Men wanted to settle down when in their 20s. Stop blaming men for your failures women”

Where are the men financially capable and willing to settle in their 20s? They don’t exist anymore, Grandpa. And a woman still needs to earn food and other living expenses before getting married?

They want totally helpless Disney princess women who magically survived until he showed up.

That’s impossible.

Oh and she has to be super tough and rugged and cool – and deeply feminine!

Frilly apron wearing, pie-baking, gun-toting anal-sex preferring cool girl!

Manic Pixie Dream Waifu!

Wow, why do they attract borderlines so much who try to be everything?

They have no idea what they actually need is simple (and not contradictory) because they feel their wife should be a status symbol, there I said it. Who gives a shit what people think, you bloody omegas. It’s a wife, not a girlfriend. There’s a reason those never work out aka FAIL. The things you look for make it short term. You don’t know what you want.

Male choices are polluted. Your instincts are wrong.

They also focus on trivial shit like music taste and video games and whether they tolerate your BS (enabling is toxic, actually) then ignore divorce risk things like needing matching religion and politics. That includes your own. If you want a Christian, you need to be a real Christian or your divorce risk is still high. You can’t blame the other party. You cannot mitigate your divorce risk by choosing a “good” woman – and why would those women want them? It’s an investment, both parties need to decide to invest.

Imagine –

It’s 6pm, the baby won’t stop crying and your husband prefers a horrid desk job to seeing his child now the novelty’s worn off. The dinner you slaved over for three hours is cold and you’re pretty sure he’s fucking his secretary. All he does is give you money like a child then ignore you like a baby-making Furby. Sexually you’re frustrated because he doesn’t want you since he insisted on watching the baby come out and insisting you breastfeed. You feel ugly, exhausted and unloved. He’s nicer to his friends than he is to you.

That’s practically more miserable than the single mother getting the same or more money.

Was this man a real man? Was he a good choice? Is he superficial or successful?

Selfish people will fail in their marriage. Any selfish person must never ever marry.

If there’s no mutual exchange, they severely over-rate their attractiveness e.g. age 25+, 30+, 35+ = freaky sperm psychiatric risk. Women sense this. It doesn’t matter if you’re Don Draper IRL if you’re unhealthy. Plus cheating is the most common reason for divorce so the ones who plan to cheat deserve to be abandoned, they broke their vow. It’s like signing for insurance and defrauding, they don’t owe you because bad faith, trust bond is gone. Hey, stoning would be cheaper than divorce lawyers and less painful.

A man’s sperm is best age 18. Biologically, men should marry and reproduce 18-21, to 25 latest. The manosphere totally ignores this because it doesn’t care about you. A woman’s fertility peaks 21-28. The system must stabilize. They lie about these things, however I doubt they can read the data and with women it’s more intra-family health. Schools do not inform boys they even have a biological clock! Like the retirement scam.

Another thing these guys in the comments typically say – women should “prep” for decades to be good wives (mileage of definition may vary) but men just need to show up at the end of the aisle one day with penis. That is how all millennia of societies worked, O.K. I guess they own a katana too?

Most comments also fall for the “women want Don Draper career man” trope.
No? Traditional women want a man who is around! Nobody wants a spouse they never see!

nobody.

There are plenty of divorced or single rich men who thought money bought wife approval. She can get her own money? The kids hate them too, it’s a film trope for a reason, it’s fucking child abuse. It’s physical abandonment however much money you throw at them in guilt and their brains still demonstrate it (and in girls things like menarche hitting earlier, as if they’re dead!)…

They have no idea what women want. Look at how Don cracked at the end of that show, those guys are rich spoiled losers totally dependent on a fake economy and rigged promotion system. The gold watch career is GONE. Raising a family on one income is OVER. Workaholism isn’t sexy. It’s a mental problem.

Women have always worked, just not the easily taxed forms? They expect a lot of work from such a woman (at least 50 hours a week, add it up!) but disrespect her enough not to call it that?

That’s your woman, you should be singing her praises!

And they won’t do their fair share, even with childcare?

But nannies are evil and kids need their dad around? For what? To stare at them like possessions?

The guys saying this shit wouldn’t last a week being normal (no fast food and so on) with a small group of well-behaved kids. They’d snap.

Humans didn’t evolve to raise a kid, singular, alone. They need round the clock care, especially babies. You need shifts. I’m betting those guys refuse to let her live around relatives to help out because Muh Career.

The 50s postcard was bullshit even then. Everyone drank, smoked and medicated to numb it.

You need to go back older than that. They refuse. They’re too lazy to be real men. Everyone works. Nobody gets to sit with their feet up being an alcoholic porn addict or whatever. God America, what happened?

Oh, it’s past five so you get to be a slob? No? Parents do things they don’t like all the time! You have to. Dependents aren’t appliances that switch off at 5.30pm week nights. Only a man child would disagree. You are a parent forever. No breaks. These are the guys who bitch about lunch breaks. That’s why women avoid them. The man is meant to be the strong horse, biologically. A woman has to rely on him. He can’t sit there expecting foot rubs when she’s been working all day too (more manual work*, usually, in a weaker body) and there’s hours of work still.

The 50s started daycare and nursery cheats, remember. It was never humanly possible!

Okay, good luck finding a magic woman who will throw a sword at you, while we’re at it, when you can’t accept simple red pill truths about the modern world. This is it. This is the world you live in. It sucks for women too.

Like, if she is with you for your money that’s dumb. You will lose your job. Then what? And did you never see Desperate Housewives? Hours of time to cheat with Juan the Poolboy if all you provide is cash. What about when you retire?

They can’t say “it’s good when we avoid family for the ego boost of a career (don’t lie) but the need in this economy for a woman to earn her keep makes her evil” and “we refuse to marry and single mothers are the devil but women should have magical babies supported by magic money and raised by magic invisible fathers”.

Like, pick a narrative and stick with it, bitches.

Men who hate domestic life? NEVER MARRY.

When an adult chooses to become a parent and they’d make a bad parent, the child suffers.

Picture your kid hating you. If you get angry, never breed. Narcissists don’t want kids, they want supply. The internet confuses the motives.

*Irony: modern mother has more manual exhausting work than her desk job husband.

Manchild told No

https://www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/news/morning-mix/wp/2017/09/01/this-is-crazy-sobs-utah-hospital-nurse-as-cop-roughs-her-up-arrests-her-for-doing-her-job/

By all accounts, the head nurse at the University of Utah Hospital’s burn unit was professional and restrained when she told a Salt Lake City police detective he wasn’t allowed to draw blood from a badly injured patient.

that’s DNA btw

The detective didn’t have a warrant, first off. And the patient wasn’t conscious, so he couldn’t give consent. Without that, the detective was barred from collecting blood samples — not just by hospital policy, but by basic constitutional law.

if you want rights, we need to stop the people who feel entitled to ride roughshod over them

Still, Detective Jeff Payne insisted that he be let in to take the blood, saying the nurse would be arrested and charged if she refused.

Nurse Alex Wubbels politely stood her ground. She got her supervisor on the phone so Payne could hear the decision loud and clear. “Sir,” said the supervisor, “you’re making a huge mistake because you’re threatening a nurse.”

Payne snapped. He seized hold of the nurse, shoved her out of the building and cuffed her hands behind her back. A bewildered Wubbels screamed “help me” and “you’re assaulting me” as the detective forced her into an unmarked car and accused her of interfering with an investigation.

On Friday, Salt Lake County District Attorney Sim Gill said he wanted a criminal investigation into the incident. Salt Lake Mayor Jackie Biskupski and Police Chief Mike Brown apologized to the nurse in a statement. “I extend a personal apology to Ms. Wubbels for what she has been through for simply doing her job,” the mayor said.

entitlement, thy outcomes are ugly

bring back flogging for those who make public offices look bad

flog them through the street

Consent is equally vital for men and it isn’t purely sexual.

Video: The sorrow of the man-child

This guy is legit.

Zizek is a troll.

From Muh Future post

Boys cannot become men without women. It’s the missing puzzle piece. Insulting women is making your situation worse, the enemy wants you to be anti-women and anti-natal (they’re the same thing).

Their elders won’t let them grow up.

Hmm.

familiar

http://www.apa.org/monitor/jun06/emerging.aspx

29 year olds being infantilised?

Are you fucking kidding?

Fun fact: retardé means delayed.

Overprotective parents cause Peter Pan Syndrome

They wouldn’t dare put a real pathology in the DSM V.

The parents might not be able to blame their children. They might stop paying their shrink bills. Quelle horreur. 

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/05/070501112023.htm

Peter Pans – almost always male.

When sexually mature, promiscuous and critically, definitively incapable of commitment (seeing it as tantamount to prison, do not expect logic, but preposterous metaphors from them). As you can expect, problems with pair bonding, even purely social connections with other men. Therefore, they tend to befriend one another. Mature and successful men avoid them but they rationalize this as a virtue and brag about it.

They regress frequently to various stages of childhood, notably when stressed in an argument (especially one they started, quite the bully to relieve their random anxiety). They tend to violence and physical aggression, but not when a parental-like figure e.g. police, boss, or other authority e.g. club bouncer is present. They laugh at the law until before a judge for their ignorance/recklessness/cruelty, when they play victim. Remember, sorry is the magic word and you can break any law as long as you pretend you’re sorry after…

The male (at least 9/10, he is male, it is a male condition based on physical aspects of denial, as they cannot menstruate, that brings women to speedier emotional maturity as it’s hard to deny*) is easy to spot because they act like a teenager into their twenties, hold similar expectations for themselves and their life into their thirties and, humiliatingly for their relations, beyond. As other men begin to accrue success in their 20s/30s, they’re still stuck doing the same nonsense as their school years. They blame society for this, they are always blameless because they are always duty-free, the Real Victim Here (TM). There is no midlife crisis because in their mind they are still fifteen. They are simply immature. The world is forever their oyster. In myth we find nothing like this, the young gods have to die to get anywhere. Or else otherwise grow up and renew into adulthood. The ancients would’ve cut them off and forced them into real employment. Nowadays they whine on blogs about the many ways The Man has wronged them and start up pretentious forums blaming literally anyone else for their personal life. Conspiracies are popular. It alleviates some of their deep-seated guilt. They sometimes try to pull rank where it is least appropriate, with the green rudeness of a child e.g. correcting a Christian on the Bible as an atheist, lecturing women on babymaking and so on. They attempt to appear as if they have moral authority and we find many con artists and fraudsters in their ranks. It would be fine if they kept to their own but so ensured of their own superiority and legal invincibility, they see the world as both inferior and a mark, with goods they earned but didn’t deserve as much as him, because he has real feelings, unlike everyone else. Real feelings and excessive volumes of them, as well as poor control of himself in general, make him worthy of pity. Everyone is out to get them, as they are out to get everyone. Paranoia (vague, unfalsifiable) is aggression projection.

They see any societal obligation as a trick, a prison. However, to everyone else, they are a Fool, with none of the luck, thinking society will hold them to special, zero standards (yes, narcissism) and to think they are being put upon, asked something in excess of average. Is it any surprise their father abandoned such a case? Emotionally or physically? At a certain point they do become completely insufferable and cannot be helped by anyone but a professional. Do they seek a professional? Never. That would be a responsible thing to do. Instead they’d rather waste their life and suffer, and cause others to suffer around them as well. They’re the first to tell you how nice and great they are, like a child at a reunion begging for attention.

They project their own flaws onto women. Much like serial killers, they have a dependent relationship with their mother. All other women are whores, or something to be used. You see, the world is their playground. We are all toys (Machiavellianism with none of the wit).

They see ‘feminine’ virtues as weakness e.g. compromise, popularity, empathy, fortitude, all these for ‘suckers’. By making it female-exclusive, they can never be accused of them, in their twisted mind. If you remind them of Jung’s balance, they get offended.

The hard thing is never necessary, and they would argue, seldom the right thing either. This is awfully convenient for them. 

It isn’t women that terrify them but the burden of fatherhood. If they happen to cause a pregnancy, they’ll blame the woman. You see, in their minds, they do not believe they are fertile, because what child can have children? They are deluded, at times possibly psychotic e.g. accusing a woman they consented to have sex with of rape, because she fell pregnant. They often make excuses to abandon the woman and that’s how deadbeats are made. The more psychopathic ones will torment their new family out of resentment for curtailing ‘his’ freedom (belonging to and only due to him, as the only Real Human) and slowly push them away, often with male-seeming outlets e.g. strip clubs, porn addiction, affairs, also cutting off financial support (this being the one objective form of abandonment that cannot be concealed, either they pay or not). Still, they are a veritable cornucopia of excuses when pulled up on this objective fact, like a child who ‘forgot’ his homework. Physical or other abuses of the mother are also common, since her body shackles him to his spawn, intellectually, and he probably identifies with a male child too much to hurt it (narcissism). They are the type to murder their children to ‘get back at’ the mother and then kill themselves in faux grief to avoid Patriarchal legal punishment or to simply beat/punish the female children for reminding him of their mother. Usually, child abusers start on the little girls, for various reasons (access, sociability, gaslighting, guilt-tripping, lower odds of revenge or being believed, acting out/up accusations, ‘straight’ sex, and so forth) if they can.

A good Patriarchal society whipped this scum out of town at the first sign and let him starve. They knew better than to think it could be fixed by kindness, such people are a cancer. Their enemy is the Patriarch, the Father they came to hate, although they are liars. They often call for a Patriarchal system, believing it will increase their power as a male, extending it to all males, rather than installing it to families, including mothers. The childless receive no benefit from a family-oriented system but he is quite stupid. The urge to control others is as strong as their urge to be ‘free’, with their perverse definitions of all taking and no giving, no duties, no responsibilities, to travel and use people like disposable objects, only to be revered in old age as if hedonism or owning genitalia is an accomplishment. They seem to believe too, that speaking out cheaply for the cause of Patriarchs now will prevent them from being treated as they justly deserve if that system came about e.g. they wouldn’t be kicked out of society away from the nubile daughters and rich drinking buddies.

Nowadays they keep secret social media accounts or avoid them altogether, terrified of the parental figures of society, like employers, from knowing what they are and denying them opportunities.  You see, they can abandon you, but you cannot abandon them. You must give them everything because they deserve it. They probably have a list.

Do not pity them, they want you to nurture them like a mother figure so they might use you, as a parasite.

Good news?

They die alone, having no true friends. They are forever lonely because they cannot connect with themselves and refuse to grow (modern parlance: sell out). They are stuck but aging. If they have children, they are loathed for their ultimate failing, in secret or openly. Strangely, they balk at open accusations of how they behave, wishing to rebel Them Vs The World, while openly admitting their actions/beliefs when it is socially desirable (compulsive deception, stemming from no true identity, possible borderline feature). For example, they will claim to be monogamous but also claim monogamy is impossible or over-rated (cognitive dissonance doesn’t affect children as they are incapable of logic, these men are retarded in many ways) to make themselves seem more appealing in other men’s estimations and gain their favours (this is also wrong, and hardly ever works, but they are too dense to see it). They cannot connect with women, because they are not truly men. They do not deserve the title, instead accurately, they are adult male. Women are an alien creature to the man-child. They do not like (read: temper tantrums/mantrums) being reminded of their age or its consequences, they project their ignorance (or innocence) onto the object, and call women crazy/stupid/wrong etc. Here we find a glib misogynist (you cannot hate something you do not understand) that dismisses anything he doesn’t understand or that goes against his preconceived beliefs as <relates to women speciously, therefore I may ignore it>, this neurosis enables his lifestyle. Escapism and emotion (that they inaccurately dub masculine for egocentrism) are their sole purpose in life, these combined they call experience. A postmodern monster. The fuckboy is also a Peter Pan with a focus on the psychopathic sexual aggressions (people merely as soil to stake a flag in, porn as real). Modern society enables these people e.g. the parasite single of the Japanese male. The Western equivalent either mocks them, projecting by geography, or idolizes them (Japanophiles and some very creepy sexual attractions you must take seriously).

Quite the pearl-clutchers, they are easily offended. It’s always your fault.

I don’t blame the parents, when the child is an adult.

*I’ve seen a handful of female variants, but they were very masculine, presenting like the male case, hating themselves, and they were always on the Pill, usually from their teens. They deny fertility as a responsibility or any other aspect of physical and sexual health. Never want children, love abortion. Refuse to get sterilized, because that’s a limit and infertility is associated with age.

Finally male slut shaming

https://mic.com/articles/133254/this-lady-is-slut-shaming-shirtless-guys-on-twitter-for-the-best-possible-reason

Excellent.

After all, it’s just terrible, isn’t it?

teadrinking sipping pretentious sarcastic bitch mmhmm not my problem lol

Inb4 “not all men”, 1. nobody ever says that, 2. it’s an Appeal to Special Snowflake. Nobody is special. NAMALT, NAWALT, we reserve the right to refer to the opposite sex without being called sexist, thank you. If it’s wrong, they won’t have proof. #anecdotes

appealtospecial

That’s how stupid it looks.
Derailing is an obvious tactic easily remedied by ignoring the person that ignores their own Burden of Proof. You can’t use logic on someone who doesn’t understand it.

Black/white thinking. All men/women are evil/terrible/wrong.

[And yes, the odd real sexist will try to claim that or falsely claim their opponent thinks that. Because apparently an entire sex is beyond reproach. Sounds logical. Even if they did, what exactly are you going to change about it and how?]

It’s amazing how many supposedly high IQ men (oh, they’ll tell you their -childhood- IQ score!) try to outwit the witless…. ~slow clap~

Note how even the most r-type of young men, the fuckboy, is suddenly signalling?

Yes, shame them. Shame them hard. Remember, it’s slut shaming, not nude shaming. They’re advertising sexual services.

They’re the same type of creature as the women they’re trying to attract by insulting them. (It works about as well as everything else they try).

You can tell these people aren’t European. We have nude beaches, nobody gives a fuck.
If you told a Frenchman a woman willing to take her clothes off in public wasn’t wife material, he’d laugh in your face. Or spit in it, it’s the French way. They actually love women.

Actually, Europeans are more likely to be insulted by (false) modesty. Those are the traps.

Typically ignorant Americans, of course, know none of this.
They forget twitter signalling is bigger than America or its trash-heap of ‘values’.

Nobody cares if they can see your tits.

They care if you’re a whore.

Nudity does not equal sexuality. Hollywood lies.

We take small children to ogle this.
http://musee.louvre.fr/oal/psyche/psyche_acc_en.html

Nudity doesn’t bother us much because Europeans haven’t been conditioned into whorish behaviours. Sex is still something between two people, rather than anonymous body parts. Anyone who fears the neutral, natural human form is ashamed of something….

The type of man who deserves to be alone

Should I explain this?

elitedaily.com/dating/guys-terrified-settle-down-women/1440514/

I shouldn’t have to explain this. I’m not going to. It’s too easy and he’s too thick.

If you don’t read it, it’s the sexual version of this:

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If you can see what’s wrong with this picture in his ‘story’, congratulations, you’re more mature than he is. That is a male, but not a man.

It causes me to wonder how many of these people we immediately label as narcissists are in fact male borderlines, because they don’t have an identity, they follow the social trends with no opinion of their own, following what others say they ‘should’ be doing, complete with other people’s deadlines, and this is indicated by how they want to switch it up, play dress up and try on all of them. As if it’s a choice, what person you are.

Also: good women don’t wait around for a boy to figure out what a catch they are, they Next him before they waste their youth and take the next bus that comes along. A better bus, a bus with a future. Good women are scarce resources, especially in this century, and he expects the MMP to be a place where he has the power….?

Idiot isn't as much a person as a process of doing things wrong

MMP and SMP are complete opposites. 

These people will end up on the shelf like the feminist trying to ‘Have it All’ and they deserve to be. Anyone who treats people like toys and puts them down, leaves them and expects they can come back in at a later date and pick them up again is in for a life-ruining surprise. The worst thing isn’t never finding the One, it’s rejecting them because you didn’t know what you had. Move too early, end up with the wrong person, move too late, end up rejected and alone.

The dating pool shrinks past 30, also when most people hit the Wall pretty firmly. Their potential is either actualized or wasted at this point and that’s why marriages were arranged with slightly older men, because they have to prove their role as providers before a woman buys in. But expecting you’ll have your shit together by (age) is stupid, it’s excusable as a teen because you have no life experience but I keep seeing this from people in their 20s. Most people die before that happens and it’s very rare with the best planning and behaviour. Making and limiting your important life decisions based on fantasies is retarded.

I’ll make a bet. He takes advice from Roosh and co.

aka He takes life advice from somebody with a shit romantic or non-existent marital life.
Do these people take diet advice from fatties?

Oddly, he’s demonstrating hypergamy, thinking he can infinitely trade up like a video game and eventually marry the Best Woman if he holds out long enough. Nope, the good people get snapped up sharpish. This is what I like to call The Illusion of Scarcity. It isn’t about how many men/women there are, it’s about the quality for the thing you want (marriage). Not to mention, he has an anxious-avoidant attachment style to a woman who is clearly indifferent, so even if he got married, he’d get divorced, I’d bet good money.

As for his own SMV, I’ll leave this here.
https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-sports-mind/201507/when-men-arent-good-looking-they-think

Video: PUAs and SJWs of the internet, act your age!

h/t Chateau Heartiste

You can almost completely sort the two issues (no perspective and not selfless) neatly into those categories, based on immaturity, with some overlap.

SJWs: the girl who always has to win an argument, cries over trifles

PUAs: the fella who can’t take a joke on him, constantly shows off to gain attention, violently angry when he loses

This is why the mockery of the modern memeplex.

“A part of one’s personality isn’t growing up with the rest.”

Ask yourself: How old am I?

  • When someone disagrees with me?
  • When someone pokes fun at me?
  • When I want attention?
  • When I am confused?
  • When I don’t get what I want?

The central problem of immaturity is one of entitlement. The world owes you nothing, like Mark Twain said.