All this hullabaloo about that Panorama documentary, I must throw my hat in the ring.
It’s an expensive hat, don’t touch it.
Quantitative data from the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) adverse event reporting system (7) imply that some antidepressants may be associated with a disproportionately high number of violent events (8).
so it is an issue, just not with the entire class
That’s a strawman.
Find me one recent spree killer who wasn’t on these meds at some point.
Now look up the fact that brain changes are permanent.
You’re not supposed to take them unless you’re actually depressed.
The overdiagnosis problem is not a matter of theory, it’s a question of brain-damaging people with the blues.
And they don’t actually prevent suicide if you look at outcomes.
By rigging the chemistry, they can actually make it likelier, since the brain tries to compensate for the drugs.
Researchers behind the Danish review said the study demolished “potentially lethal misconceptions” about the safety of the drugs, which are taken by more than 4 million Britons a year.
The analysis examined 13 studies, to see what impact the drugs had on patients who did not suffer from depression.
Scientists said these patients were selected, because previous studies linking suicide and antidepressants had been dismissed by those who said the deaths must have been caused by the mental health condition, rather than the pills.
…Prof Peter Gotzsche, of the Nordic Cochrane Centre, said such feelings could be considered as “precursors to suicidality or violence”
I suggest there’s a difference in effect on men and women.
This would explain the male suicide rate and homicide risk.
drawing specific attention to a number of mass shootings that have occurred as a result of these drugs. Prozac, for instance, which is often prescribed for attention deficit hyperactivity disorder (ADHD), was responsible for triggering multiple mass shootings at schools during the 1990s and 2000s, while other SSRIs have been linked to similar shootings.
Every mass shooting over last 20 years has one thing in common… and it’s not guns
From the homepage
There is a U.K. organization called Hundredfamilies (http://www.hundredfamilies.org/ ). It is concerned about homicides committed by people who are mentally ill, and wants the government to do more to prevent these deaths….
Naturally this gets covered up because ‘stigma’.
Ignore the people trying to abuse and rape and murder you! That sounds fine!
Prozac can lead to suicide and cause aggression, at least. This is well-known in the field.
Anti-psychotics are the worst though, the strongest meds.
It’s almost like the brain is a complex organ and you shouldn’t fuck with it.
The serotonin imbalance hypothesis of depression wasn’t even right. It’s been shown as completely wrong – and you can have excess serotonin problems too. There’s no evidence in humans for serotonin deficiency, and even then, most serotonin is produced in the gut so it’s really a microbiome issue. #biology101 Naturally, insurance doesn’t pay as much for that as psychiatric meds.
In the studies where violence goes down?
The Wellcome Trust
Psychotropic medications, including antidepressants, benzodiazepines, and particularly opiate and nonopiate analgesics, are associated with a significantly increased risk for homicide, new research shows.
Jari Tiihonen, MD, PhD, professor, Department of Clinical Neuroscience, Karolinska Institutet, Stockholm, Sweden, and colleagues found that antidepressants increase the homicide risk by 31% and that benzodiazepines increase the risk by 45%.
The association between SSRIs and violent crime convictions and violent crime arrests varied by age group. The increased risk we found in young people needs validation in other studies.
There is an association of homicide with mental disorder, most particularly with certain manifestations of schizophrenia, antisocial personality disorder and drug or alcohol abuse. However, it is not clear why some patients behave violently and others do not. Studies of people convicted of homicide have used different definitions of mental disorder…..
Mental disease is the original non-PC term for ‘mental illness’.
TBF NAKALT… wait….
According to the definition of Hodgins, only 15% of murderers have a major mental disorder (schizophrenia, paranoia, melancholia).
Mental disorder increases the risk of homicidal violence by two-fold in men and six-fold in women.
Schizophrenia increases the risk of violence by six to 10-fold in men and eight to 10-fold in women.
WHEN IN DOUBT, RESEARCH.
THERE IS DOUBT.
nobody has any reason to say You Shouldn’t Research That
those people are anti-science
SSRIs reportedly interact with 40 other drugs to cause
“serotonin syndrome.” This presents as twitching, tremors, rigidity,
fever, confusion, or agitation. Serotonin/norepinephrine reuptake
inhibitors (SNRIs) also may cause serotonin syndrome by
Like I said the other day, a lot of these ‘depressed’ SJWs are causing their own ‘anxiety’ symptoms by dosing on the SSRIs instead of changing their life.
Just a year after fluoxetine was introduced, Bill Forsyth of
Maui, Hawaii, had taken it for only 12 days when he committed one
of the first murder/suicides attributed to any SSRI. In the same year
Joseph Wesbecker killed eight others and himself in a Louisville,
Ky., printing plant where he worked, after 4 weeks on fluoxetine.
Yet as early as 1986, clinical trials showed a rate of 12.5 suicides per
1,000 subjects on fluoxetine vs. 3.8 on older non-SSRIs vs. 2.5 on
placebo!An internal 1985 Lilly document found even worse results
and said that benefits were less than risks. Such documents were
released into the public domain by Lilly as part of the settlement in
the Wesbecker case. Fifteen more “anecdotes” of murder/suicide,
three with sertraline, were listed by DeGrandpre
This link has been known since the 80s
and we’re only discussing it now.
But trust Big Pharma.
For the broader group, personality disorder (1+) would be highly effective.
If they mutilate you, if they torment you – you can’t leave them. Nobody else would have you, as gaslighters put it.
That’s the common reason behind borderlines – being borderlines. They want to damage and depress those around them, to weaken them from leaving.
The nymphomania is pretty indicative of classic psychopathy.
You can tell by someone’s personal life alone whether they’re crazy. Elsewhere, people hide.
Same goes for the ‘gay’ domestic abuse rates, and drug use.
Classic psycho traits. High time preference.
Also, wouldn’t it be a typical narcissist to name themselves ‘happy’?
“As healthcare officials will attest, the biggest problem with mental illness, is the mentally ill don’t think they’re mentally ill and refuse treatment. As long as they can pass an examination that states they aren’t a threat to themselves or society, and aren’t sociopaths gaming the system, then give them their desired “X” for gender on their driver’s license (and if Target wants to spend $20 million to build gender neutral bathrooms in all their stores, that’s their decision, but considering their stock has dropped 25% since the announcement, and during a record high bull market at that, their PR stunt speaks for itself).”
They are all listed in the DSM. It’s literally a disease.
They are also coded in the ICD, which Americans forget about but we have that in Europe.
The D stands for Disease. It is literally correct to say they have a disease.
Narcissists are typified by a rage at happiness.
Naturally, they love any excuse to play victim.
This makes them look good and the good person look bad.
You might call that crazy. Well… yeah. That’s the point.
They’re the human equivalent of an infection. Emotional contagion is a weapon.
They’ll turn up at someone’s birthday party knowing they aren’t welcome.
You could say etiquette exists to isolate them.
In general, those with personality disorders resent the normal, want to destroy and replace the norm, to steal its power for themselves. They can’t run a piss-up in a brewery though, but they can inflict plenty of damage as they take society down with them.
Most have been diagnosed with at least ‘depression’ (*a false effect produced by the low when someone thwarts their precious way or doesn’t allow themselves to be abused) but tend to have rage issues and psychotic symptoms. Some depressive meds are also used as anti-psychotics.
*A depressed person would never use it as emotional blackmail.
An abuser would.
This discussion is important. Why are the number of claims in excess of the real ill?
- Absolution of responsibility.
- Victim cred, can be exchanged for a career as Professional Victim.
- A bulletproof excuse.
- Argument winner (that’s low, mentally ill people are conflict-avoidant in the first place).
n.b. The people who went to a therapist in good faith, told the truth and were among the overdiagnosed who actually have nothing wrong with themselves? You have my sympathy. You were let down. You should be glad you aren’t ill, you don’t have a disease. The therapist in a position of trust let you down, they weren’t being objective and you should consider suing, especially if you were on harmful medications. I don’t address you herein. You go away, you do you honeys. I’m here if you wanna vent.
The people who think it’s like picking out sweets to excuse their personal failings going through the DSM and self-diagnosing, with no training or background, who refuse to see a professional or listen to someone objective or lie to the therapist? For personal gain? No personal suffering unless you count being insufferable to those around you? Fuck you. That’s disgusting. It’s the mental equivalent of pretending to be disabled.
Most people can’t be mentally ill. The abnormal cannot be the norm, it’s an oxymoron and mathematically impossible.
Often, the fakers, ignoring Munchausen which would be deeply ironic, present their character flaws as a clinical problem because they were raised to rely upon the authority of the Medical Model instead of their parents. This is why Freud started out as a surgeon and brought in childhood stuff, recently validated in epigenetics.
However, your past doesn’t excuse your present if you aren’t literally ill. Medical test, brain scan ill. Positive psychology is for normal people who want to self-improve, the self-improvement sector stems from this line of theoretical thought. You aren’t ill, you’re capable of change and your brain is plastic. Well done.
Those with the temerity to self-diagnose (ignoring the people whose parasites gaslight them into believing they’re ill for personal gain, those parasite people in your social sphere might be ill themselves ironically) even avoid the clinical responsibility to work on their “disorder”. This is vital. A mental illness causes suffering. You want to do the work. For years. Decades. Forever. You want the pain to stop. You want to be “better”. Absence of this desire (barring anhedonia, you can test for) is …alarming.
Patients have as much responsibility for their condition as their therapist. This is what they mean by “You have to want XYZ” because you work together, you work with them. This differs from regular medicine unless you count the niche of lifestyle factors, and the fakes have trouble with this fact for obvious reasons. They hate standards.
Mental illness is for life, and then comes the liar’s rejection of the whole shebang because hard work is hard.
They skip appointments out of laziness, they refuse medication knowing and sometimes openly complaining it does nothing (regular patients want it to do something). Having any illness and following any prescribed work is hard work, and you can spot those people like red flags in a sea of white when they start acting up with their character flaws and pretending to be without agency when it’s convenient (a chorus of – I can’t! I can’t! I can’t!) or that they can’t be at fault or blamed for anything because Condition. Real mentally ill people are mortified at this abuse of their illness for expedience and never do it. This is a known problem when they take on too much, refusing to acknowledge the limits of their condition from pure motive: they try too hard. Often for the sake of loved ones. Sometimes they break down and grudgingly admit their condition was the cause of some problem or perceived failing, but surely observers can see the difference between the real deal and the fakes?
Some bad therapists use these fake people like cash cows, knowingly diagnosing them to either 1. make them go away foisted onto someone else or 2 make money off the diagnosis (yes, they do) and the pills (whether they’re taken or not). This is part of the reason we have personality disorders, treated in spite of the acknowledgement they can never be treated (go team logic). Essentially, their job is to stop the character flaws harming those around the cause, nothing about protecting the cause themselves.
Around the Turn of the Century, psychology went from discussion of character to personality. Personality is often nonsense, useful for hiring and other practical applications but clinically invalid. Character is about building up and working on skills and yourself. It’s a maturation process of growth anathema to the Millennials this in-authenticity afflicts in particular. The 20th century chose the easier convenience approach to Self and has been regretting it ever since. It doesn’t bloody work.
A great therapist hurts your feelings for your own good.
That is their job. They don’t tiptoe around your problems so you’ll be a good feeding trough. They want results.
They aren’t an adult nanny. They aren’t Mary Poppins of the Mind. You aren’t supposed to like them, that’s child psychologists for literal children (owing to the lack of maturation again).
They have more in common with Hannibal Lecter. They will go deeper into your psyche than you are comfortable with and extract the worst pain, watch you cry, be truly vulnerable, then comfort you and help you move on from it productively. You become a better person in their hands because they force you to become one, they mold you into a better version of yourself.
Yeah that’s all I can say on the subject of fakery without getting angry and unprofessional.
Link thanks to SuperMisdreavus. Whole book.
Autogynephilic and Homosexual Transsexuals: How To Tell Them Apart at pp.192
I don’t count the homosexual ones as you well know because they just come under a queer type of gay really, but good luck getting that back into the DSM when it’s more political than the literal Bible.
“And although Blanchard’s ideas are fundamental to an understanding of transsexualism, they might not matter that much for helping transsexuals, which most clinicians have as their first priority. With luck, the next revision of the DSM will distinguish “homosexual” from “autogynephilic” transsexualism. But will popular features on “the transgendered” begin to mention the teenage masturbatory cross-dressing? Will “The Cher Mondavi Story” become a made-fortelevision movie co-starring “Robot Man?” Probably not, and it is a pity. True acceptance of the transgendered requires that we truly understand who they are.”
This is why natural women have an aversion to cross-dressing men. Disgust, if they’re honest.
Rather, sex reassignment has a rational choice component: “Can I make it? Will I be happier as a female? Will I be more successful getting straight men as a woman than I am at getting gay men as a man?” (The last decision has to be weighted by a particular transsexual’s degree of preference for straight versus gay men. Most vastly prefer straight men.)
Normal men need substantial legal protections from rape by these creatures (the homosexual type usually). Open disclosure prior to offer at least. And the men who think they can fuck a man with breast implants and count as ‘straight’ need some serious social correction, it’s a damaging delusion when you consider the STD risk.
Prostitution is the single most common occupation that homosexual transsexuals in our study admitted to. About half of them have worked as prostitutes at some point….
The rate of HIV infection among transsexual streetwalkers is very high, partly due to the high rate of intravenous drug use.
The self-destruction – this is why people avoid them.
You don’t want these “straight men” passing these diseases onto the very women normal men sleep with, in general sexual marketplace circulation. It’s a public health risk.
The manosphere need to nip this in the bud and make it law for these men to out themselves.
Living on the edge is more out of necessity than desire. Most of the homosexual transsexuals I talked to had similar dreams for the future. They wanted to get their surgery (if they had not yet had it) and meet a nice, attractive, and financially stable heterosexual man who would marry and take care of them. This is obviously similar to the hopes of many non-transsexual women. When I was conducting my study of homosexual transsexuals, I routinely asked them if they knew anyone who had realized this dream. No one did.
Your move, guys.
…A rare issue of a few men—both homosexual and heterosexual men, including some who sought sex-change surgery because they were erotically aroused by the thought or image of themselves as women—has spread to include women as well as men. Even young boys and girls have begun to present themselves as of the opposite sex. Over the last ten or fifteen years, this phenomenon has increased in prevalence, seemingly exponentially. Now, almost everyone has heard of or met such a person….
autogynephilia, my money’s on a porn addiction aetiology
…At Johns Hopkins, after pioneering sex-change surgery, we demonstrated that the practice brought no important benefits. As a result, we stopped offering that form of treatment in the 1970s. Our efforts, though, had little influence on the emergence of this new idea about sex, or upon the expansion of the number of “transgendered” among young and old….
First, do no harm.
The photograph of the posed, corseted, breast-boosted Bruce Jenner (a man in his mid-sixties, but flaunting himself as if a “pin-up” girl in her twenties or thirties) on the cover ofVanity Fair suggests that he may fit the behavioral mold that Ray Blanchard has dubbed an expression of “autogynephilia”—from gynephilia (attracted to women) and auto (in the form of oneself)….
But the meme—that your sex is a feeling, not a biological fact, and can change at any time—marches on through our society. In a way, it’s reminiscent of the Hans Christian Andersen tale, The Emperor’s New Clothes. In that tale, the Emperor, believing that he wore an outfit of special beauty imperceptible to the rude or uncultured, paraded naked through his town to the huzzahs of courtiers and citizens anxious about their reputations. Many onlookers to the contemporary transgender parade, knowing that a disfavored opinion is worse than bad taste today, similarly fear to identify it as a misapprehension.
Fear being the operative word.
I am ever trying to be the boy among the bystanders who points to what’s real. I do so not only because truth matters, but also because overlooked amid the hoopla—enhanced now by Bruce Jenner’s celebrity and Annie Leibovitz’s photography—stand many victims. Think, for example, of the parents whom no one—not doctors, schools, nor even churches—will help to rescue their children from these strange notions of being transgendered and the problematic lives these notions herald. These youngsters now far outnumber the Bruce Jenner type of transgender. Although they may be encouraged by his public reception, these children generally come to their ideas about their sex not through erotic interests but through a variety of youthful psychosocial conflicts and concerns…
This is how they recruit sexually. Trannies tend to sleep with one another (HIV rates, drug use). This is how they get plenty of fresh meat to sleep with in 10 years, when they’re nice and psychologically vulnerable. It’s sick.
First, though, let us address the basic assumption of the contemporary parade: the idea that exchange of one’s sex is possible. It, like the storied Emperor, is starkly, nakedly false. Transgendered men do not become women, nor do transgendered women become men. All (including Bruce Jenner) become feminized men or masculinized women, counterfeits or impersonators of the sex with which they “identify.” In that lies their problematic future.
When “the tumult and shouting dies,” it proves not easy nor wise to live in a counterfeit sexual garb. The most thorough follow-up of sex-reassigned people—extending over thirty years and conducted in Sweden, where the culture is strongly supportive of the transgendered—documents their lifelong mental unrest. Ten to fifteen years after surgical reassignment, the suicide rate of those who had undergone sex-reassignment surgery rose to twenty times that of comparable peers…..
Read the whole article, it’s top-shelf.
For all the hate I get about ‘hating’ them, I’m actually trying to save their lives.
…These 136 genes weren’t specific to any single network, Greicius noted. Rather, ‘any one of these genes that was being expressed at a high, intermediate or low level in one region of any network, regardless of which network you’d picked, was also being expressed at corresponding levels in the other regions of that network,’ he said.
Importantly, a number of these genes encode proteins that aid in nerve cells’ signature activity: propagating electrical impulses. Some are ion channels, which maintain and modulate voltage differences across nerve cells’ outer membranes. Others are found at the junctions where one nerve cell in a circuit contacts another….
The identification of functional-connectivity-associated genes sets the stage for targeted clinical applications, such as finding out how neurodegeneration propagates within a network.
‘Our work holds potential implications for a number of neuropsychiatric disorders,’ said Richiardi….
Oh look, the Victorians were right again.
You can’t socialise it away.
Maybe you might consider bringing back the death penalty for violent offenders instead of giving them counselling.
Don’t give them ANY Government entitlements and I bet the desire would dry up.
The reason this came about is simple.
We recognised feels (“personal experience”) as objective merit on knowledge of a subject. It’s emotive epistemology.
Just because you have the flu doesn’t mean you know what that is better than the Doctor treating you or the microbiologists studying its replication or the geneticists mapping it. It’s a form of pseudo-objective onanism, a virulent strain of Daddy Issues.
I’ve noted in SJWs they seem to think of themselves as the supreme authority figure on all subjects purely cos they have an internet connection on Mummy’s Gov money and an illiterate, emotionally-incontinent opinion, which often leads to such WTF moments as suicidal people giving out life advice. These people should be locked up for fraud and I’m not joking. These subjects are serious business and they’re misrepresenting themselves as an expert to vulnerable people (a legally binding term).
Teach logical fallacies in schools and this bullshit would go the way of the Dodo.
We should have the strength to look the person in the eye and say “shut the fuck up, you have no idea what you’re talking about.” Yet we haven’t. And now we’re here.
mfw I hear these types of people every single day;
Who do you think you are? ~ a polite alternative.
…What Thomas Szasz uncovered was that mental illnesses are better understood as metaphors for moral illness than as conventional illnesses like cancer and appendicitis. As progressives change the moral structure of society, the quasi-scientific notions of what is healthy and what is ill must also change….
That link includes this;
…Properly speaking, contends Szasz, insanity is not a disease with origins to be excavated, but a behavior with meanings to be decoded. Social existence is a rule-governed game-playing ritual in which the mad person bends the rules and exploits the loopholes. Since the mad person is engaged in social performances that obey certain expectations so as to defy others, the pertinent questions are not about the origins, but about the conventions, of insanity.…
That’s a very nurture-based way of looking at it, the PC lot should be delighted. Alas, that allots them responsibility for their actions, and the refutes the rationale behind claiming mental illness – absolving personal responsibility, the way others used to do with sins.
This idea washes with what I’ve witnessed.
Back to HD;
…It’s easy to blame the birth control pill for your own sexual incontinence, but much harder to confess your own willful sins. The fat man is more likely to blame Nabisco for making Oreo creme cookies so delicious rather than to look into his own gluttony, sloth, and intemperance. …
We have children in the bodies of adults. All the rights, none of the responsibility. It’s called extended adolescence, and better thought of as a form of Peter Pan Syndrome. [women ‘suffer’ it too]
There is a lot of sweeping under the rug. Promiscuity is still a sign of psychopathy. Homosexuality is often accompanied with a low impulse control, a resultant inability to be monogamous and multiple fetishes, which grow worse and more extreme over time. Everyone knows by now the HIV and suicide rates among transsexuals.
We seem to ignore our own common law. The age of criminal responsibility is none at all. If they come up with a good excuse, like a child to a teacher, they can be let off. Naturally, they hide behind the medical model, and play victim. What else can they do, change? I blame the Nanny State for part of this. It infantilises adults for the sake of their health. The problem has multiple prongs.
In a biological sense, these people are either human, with responsibility for themselves, or inhuman, and undeserving of their rights accordingly. Dangerous line of thought? Perhaps. Tell that to the prefrontal cortex studies detailing the impulse control and rational decision making that living in a civilized society demands.