Aging fathers, ugly kids

That’s one solid explanation for why people are generally uglier nowadays, even the healthy weight.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0191886916311035

Paternal age negatively predicts offspring physical attractiveness in two, large, nationally representative datasets

Freeze your sperm at 18 for optimum freshness.

Effect of paternal age on offspring attractiveness is investigated in two datasets.

Various covariates are utilized.

Significant negative effects are found in both datasets.

Effects are independent of birth order.

Findings consistent with paternal age as a source of new mutations in offspring.

Abstract

The effect of paternal age on offspring attractiveness has recently been investigated. Negative effects are predicted as paternal age is a strong proxy for the numbers of common de novo mutations found in the genomes of offspring. As an indicator of underlying genetic quality or fitness, offspring attractiveness should decrease as paternal age increases, evidencing the fitness-reducing effects of these mutations.

That’s a hard rectal red pill.

I’m sure the manosphere will try its hardest to ignore like the dead and defective babies.

https://bible.knowing-jesus.com/topics/Sins-Of-The-Fathers

The problem is, you think you have time.

Thus far results are mixed, with one study finding the predicted effect, and a second smaller study finding the opposite. Here the effect is investigated using two large and representative datasets (Add Health and NCDS),

holy Jesus a sound method

I almost fell off my high horse

both of which contain data on physical attractiveness and paternal age.

Validity! Validity! My queendom for some statistical validity!

The effect is present in both datasets, even after controlling for maternal age at subject’s birth, age of offspring, sex, race, parental and offspring (in the case of Add Health) socio-economic characteristics, parental age at first marriage (in the case of Add Health) and birth order.

The confound control is practically orgasmic, I can’t wait to see how they mansplain this one away.

That is perfect method. But it triggers butthurts and their precious feefees are hurt by the mere implication that degenerate older dads are bad for their kid’s health. Because all those upper crust respectable 1950s dads were like “60 is the new 20 lol!” Who gives a shit if your kids need you past high school? You got more priceless clubbing times you don’t remember, that’s what really matters. Not seeing your grandkids.

Class, race, sex, age at marriage, birth order, maternal age, offspring age – there’s literally nothing else to control for. Nothing. It’s flawless.

THESE. ARE. THE. STUDIES. WE. NEED.

Logically, since women are born with most of their eggs, there wouldn’t be a maternal effect. It isn’t constantly replenishing like the male gamete. Cell division’s a bitch. Male lifestyle for all his years prior

https://www.nhs.uk/news/pregnancy-and-child/dads-smoking-before-conception-harms-kids/

affects the child at conception (and even which sperm is conceived) far more than the details of pregnancy (minus pollutants it’s pretty much the same as in ancient times, the womb is not a new environment).

Maybe add child health although those studies already exist to cross-reference with attractiveness?

As in, are the girls more womanly as adults in WHR and the boys have more manly frames (broad shoulders, narrow waist, which should be a metric of its own)? Or less gender typical? Even androgynous, or fully gender-atypical?

Do younger or older fathers produce better-looking kids in the gendered sense?

[We can tell by looking at old photos but let’s pretend.]

Give me a time machine, please. The ugly wigger types hurt my eyes.

[I have also noted mannish looking sisters tend to be the older, “ugly” sister of two -coughs Beatrice- and the girly looking brothers tend to be the younger, usually gay one. Cannot unsee.]

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/0162309595000682

e.g.

“In addition to their attractiveness and intimidatory effects, human secondary sexual characters also provide cues to hormonal status and phenotypic quality consistent with the good genes model of sexual selection (which includes parasite resistance). Low waist-hip ratio is sexually attractive in women and indicates a high estrogen/testosterone ratio (which favors reproductive function). Facial attractiveness provides honest cues to health and mate value. The permanently enlarged female breast appears to have evolved under the influence of both the good genes and the runaway selection mechanisms. The male beard is not obviously related to phenotypic quality and may have evolved through a process of runaway intersexual selection.”

The beard can also be a sign of poor grade genes e.g. savages, wolf man. Overall bone structure uber alles.

Maybe factor in sexual activity of the father prior to conception? Especially partner count and STDs. STDs are known to harm attractiveness in the host [coughs David Beckham, most of Hollywood] so why not the offspring’s?

Back to the top study:

The apparent robustness of the effect to different operationalizations of attractiveness suggests high generalizability, however the results must be interpreted with caution, as controls for parental levels of attractiveness were indirect only in the present study.

aka please don’t sue us but you know it’s true

But you can wait forever because the Jews said so!

Say, who owns all the biotech and IVF companies?

https://www.fertilitybridge.com/blog/2018/4/11/battleforivfmarketwallstreetvsprivatepractice

[chuckles in Israel shekels]

https://hmcisrael.com/specialty/ivf-israel/

“According to statistics, around 20% of couples wishing to conceive are faced with certain obstacles that inhibit a successful pregnancy.

Fertility Treatment is one of the most prioritized fields of medicine in Israel.”

Sure, you can wait for decades! Also, cut the kid when they’re born!

We need more future little Viagra users.

https://link.springer.com/article/10.2307/2648044

https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn7752-female-genital-mutilation-can-cause-infertility/

Does Circumcision Decrease the Fertility of Sperm in the Male?

“However, birth rates are much higher in countries where the men are predominantly uncircumcised.”

There is no question that an uncircumcised man has a cooler penis than a circumcised man in the flaccid state. For some reason, removal of the foreskin is the reason for this. There seems to be some sort of temperature sensor in the foreskin that may control penile temperature. Removing the foreskin gets rid of this sensor.

It only takes a few temperature degrees of difference to damage sperm. As the penis is in close proximity to the testicles, it’s quite likely that a cooler penis would help keep the testicles cooler (Remember that men are more potent in the colder months of the year). Under these condition, if the testicles got too cold, they can always be retracted closer to the body.

Almost like God gave men a prepuce solely for this evolutionary function in reproduction.

…Now consider this: Circumcised and uncircumcised men have the same penis temperature on full erection, as we stated earlier in this article. So, clearly, there is a specific reason why a natural-uncircumcised penis remains at a cooler temperature during the flaccid state. When the penis is erect it is no longer in close proximity with the testicles, so penile temperature should not affect the testicular temperature at this phase (be the penis circumcised or uncircumcised).

Upon orgasm, the penis tends to retract more into the pelvis (at least with my experience). Due to the friction and increased blood flow that occurred during the sexual act, it makes sense that the penis will have an increase in temperature in a flaccid state post-sex than in a flaccid state previous to the sexual act. Could this retraction be another mechanism for the “heated” penis to steer clear of the testicles?

Go there, science.

Circumcision and Male Fertility: Is There a Link?

Scientists have recently concluded that circumcision can help with infertility in males suffering from two very specific diseases.

So… not generalizable.

Some woman perv studies after all that penis talk.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S1090513814000269

Women’s faces and voices may be cues to their reproductive potential. If so, then individual differences in indices of female fecundity and residual reproductive value, such as hormonal profiles, body composition, and age, should be associated with women’s facial and vocal attractiveness to men. However, previous research on these associations is sparse, has rendered mixed results, and is limited to Western samples. The current study therefore explored relationships between correlates of reproductive capability (testosterone levels, age, and body mass index [BMI]) and facial and vocal attractiveness in women from industrial and foraging societies. Women’s facial and vocal attractiveness was associated with each of these indicators in at least one of the two samples. The patterns of these associations suggest that women’s faces and voices provide cues to both common and unique components of reproductive potential and help explain the evolution of men’s mating preferences.

Lesson: Avoid the manjaw.

Women change their vocal pitch all the time though. European women are taught to make it lower at school (speak up = louder, lower pitch), Asians try to make it higher. The key is how they sound when hysterically upset. That’s their true level. Europeans go up, Asians down.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S1090513812000475

Attractive facial features in women are assumed to signal fertility, but whether facial attractiveness predicts reproductive success in women is still a matter of debate. We investigated the association between facial attractiveness at young adulthood and reproductive life history—number of children and pregnancies—in women of a rural community. For the analysis of reproductive success, we divided the sample into women who used contraceptives and women who did not.

So partnered, married women. Not single ones.

Introducing two-dimensional geometric morphometric methodology, we analysed which specific characteristics in facial shape drive the assessment of attractiveness and covary with lifetime reproductive success. A set of 93 (semi)landmarks was digitized as two-dimensional coordinates in postmenopausal faces. We calculated the degree of fluctuating asymmetry and regressed facial shape on facial attractiveness at youth and reproductive success. Among women who never used hormonal contraceptives, we found attractive women to have more biological offspring than less attractive women. These findings are not affected by sociodemographic variables. Postmenopausal faces corresponding to high reproductive success show more feminine features—facial characteristics previously assumed to be honest cues to fertility. Our findings support the notion that facial attractiveness at the age of mate choice predicts reproductive success and that facial attractiveness is based on facial characteristics, which seem to remain stable until postmenopausal age.

Menopause is not the face equalizer you think.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S1090513816302318

African and European perception of African female attractiveness

Dare you to do the same study with every race judging every other.

Majority of research on attractiveness is restricted to faces of European origin. The perception of attractiveness may, however, vary across communities due to variations in both facial morphology and local standards of beauty. We investigated the relative contribution of four facial markers of attractiveness based on 101 female facial portraits (standardized, non-manipulated) from Cameroon and Namibia, which were assessed by local male raters and by raters from a distant European population, the Czech Republic. Images from Cameroon include only women of Bantu origin, while Namibians are represented by women of both Bantu (Owambo/Herero) and Nama origin. While controlling for age and BMI, we explored the relationship between female attractiveness and a set of facial traits: fluctuating asymmetry, averageness, shape sexual dimorphism, and skin color (rated and measured in CIELab color space).

In the Cameroonian sample, local male raters favored lighter-skinned female faces with morphology closer to average. The attractiveness of Nama women as rated by Nama men positively correlated with lighter complexion, but this did not extend to rating by Cameroonian men. The attractiveness of Namibian Owambo/Herero women was positively associated with facial femininity and lighter complexion when judged by both Cameroonian and Nama male raters. In all samples, the attractiveness as rated by Czech men was predicted by age and BMI, but not by skin color. We found no significant association between attractiveness and fluctuating asymmetry in any of the tested samples. When controlling for age, the effect of skin color on attractiveness turned to be non-significant in the Owambo/Herrero and Nama sample, but remained significant in the Cameroonian sample. Variations in skin color thus represent an important factor of African female attractiveness within the African context, but they do not seem to affect judgements made by European raters.

They don’t want any of them.

Sensitivity to some facial markers of female attractiveness thus seems to be restricted to regional populations and/or constrained by shared ethnicity.

Paler women have more oestrogen. So duh.

Women reject old guys who’d give them dead or ugly kids:

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S1090513816301283

“This finding is consistent with men’s stated preference for young, fertile women in mating and suggests that the typical pattern is generated by women’s limiting role in mating.”

aka their gender role

“older men tend to marry older women, including those who are peri- and post-menopausal”

TIL Korea is so degenerate it has slave markets. Ooof.

So much for the myth that young women have the hots for them. Yeah, I’m sure the Jap schoolgirl came onto you, right perv?

Deadbeats are the end of the West:

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S1090513816303671

Research in evolutionary psychology, and life history theory in particular, has yielded important insights into the developmental processes that underpin variation in growth, psychological functioning, and behavioral outcomes across individuals. Yet, there are methodological concerns that limit the ability to draw causal inferences about human development and psychological functioning within a life history framework. The current study used a simulation-based modeling approach to estimate the degree of genetic confounding in tests of a well-researched life history hypothesis: that father absence (X) is associated with earlier age at menarche (Y). The results demonstrate that the genetic correlation between X and Y can confound the phenotypic association between the two variables, even if the genetic correlation is small—suggesting that failure to control for the genetic correlation between X and Y could produce a spurious phenotypic correlation. We discuss the implications of these results for research on human life history, and highlight the utility of incorporating genetically sensitive tests into future life history research.

I don’t think debtor’s prisons will come back – but if you breed it, you should feed it. I think the abandoned women that existed since Biblical times will just hire bounty hunters to shoot the first family deserter for a share of his life insurance policy.

Patriarchs everywhere would rejoice at culling the cads. The women get a widow’s pension.

Everyone wins. Hey, you said “until death do us part”. Men used to die by their oaths.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S109051381400052X

I have noticed that immigrant men have a higher pitch than their non-immigrant relatives.

Maybe the act of immigration impairs masculinity?

Low male voice pitch may communicate potential benefits for offspring in the form of heritable health and/or dominance, whereas access to resources may be indicated by correlates of socioeconomic status, such as sociolinguistic features. Here, we examine if voice pitch and social dialect influence women’s perceptions of men’s socioeconomic status and attractiveness. In Study 1, women perceived lower pitched male voices as higher in socioeconomic status than higher pitched male voices.

A lot of PUAs get shot down for 1. being brown and feeling entitled to a white woman, the lowest miscegenation group also further sickened by repeated forced “refugee” interactions and 2. having a high pitch voice and effete face compared to their national relatives. Compare within the white race, the “Latin lover” in Italy versus Italian immigrants raised and living in London, who sound like cartoon chipmunks by comparison.

Yes, we notice.

No, you can’t change it. We notice.

Same applies to white men who moved South so it appears to be immigration. Either being an immigrant or the act itself makes a man less manly. Most obviously, torso body fat deposition like a woman of their group and the sisters become like the men at home, more athletic.

In Study 2, women independently perceived lower pitched voices and higher status sociolinguistic dialects as higher in socioeconomic status and attractiveness.

It isn’t the money, it’s the genes.

Good genes, good brains, good money. Fixating on the money is what ugly guys do – Muslim prince to Jewish media mogul.

We also found a significant interaction wherein women preferred lower pitched men’s voices more often when dialects were lower in sociolinguistic status than when they were higher in sociolinguistic status.

Capacity to protect. Not a desk jockey. The middle-class is effeminate. They want army. No cowards.

Women also perceived lower pitched voices as higher in socioeconomic status more often when dialects were higher in sociolinguistic status than when lower in sociolinguistic status.

Women know quality, really? Almost like our lives depend on it.

Finally, women’s own self-rated socioeconomic status was positively related to their preferences for voices with higher status sociolinguistic dialects, but not to their preferences for voice pitch.

Plenty of men chose to marry down to get a looker out of their genetic league, hypergamy.

Erotic capital is worth it, as you can tell by the fertility study above, even post-menopausal they’re better-looking.

Hence, women’s preferences for traits associated with potentially biologically heritable benefits, such as low voice pitch, are moderated by the presence of traits associated with resource accrual, such as social dialect markers. However, women’s preferences for language markers of resource accrual may be functionally independent from preferences for potential biological indicators of heritable benefits, such as voice pitch.

Women…. making…. mate choices?

mutation load is important?

 

MGTOW roast

The funniest thing is that the standards have never been lower in human history.

If women shave, so can you.

If you add what these guys spend on their hobbies, it’s roughly equivalent to what self-improvement costs, and women pay more for it.

If you have to tell a guy to wear a deodorant (a proper one) then is he really an adult?

Comic: the illusion of choice

You don’t have to hate the opposite sex to be an adult. Just be a grown-up without blaming half of your society, like everyone else manages to do.

The family you make is only bad if you made it bad with poor selection, you anti-natal nitwits.

21st Century Psychology: A Reference Handbook

High IQ people who reject parenthood are incredibly spiteful, actually. I admire it.

“You don’t deserve my genes”, sneer the Newtons and the Teslas.

Video: A critique of more PUA bitch fights

More drama?

MORE?

Is drama how they make money at this point?

[They are painfully middle-class. God forbid we turn a child of divorce down!]

“The world is a complicated place”.

Looking at the world but never actually at themselves, just surface level stuff.

He’s spot on.

“They depend on this degenerate society”.

They lie about rape law blatantly, I’ve compared their claims to it.

Accusations are presumed true when there was sexual contact. Having sex is something adults do, if you’re not mature enough for consequences, don’t.

It’s ghetto romance for non-blacks. It’s ultimately high time preference and thus, destructive in the long run.

They have their own SATC Have It All mythos including somehow not disgusting a virgin enough to marry her.

They’re not against birth control…”

That tells you all you need to know. It’s the trad test.

Unmarried people shouldn’t get contraception, why do you need it?

[Medical conditions are uncommon].

Also, assuming all women are on the Pill is stupid, no wonder they get women pregnant that way. Would they talk to a girl if they knew she wasn’t on it? Doubtful.

You can’t reduce the abortion rate while the Pill is used as the sole contraceptive for those women, it fails all the time statistically.

The “player” burnout and rising drug-resistant ST disease alone show it’s bad for the individual men. Live a lifelong orgy like a gay man, get all the same medical issues. Wages of sin. They also visit hookers (encourage it!) but don’t think of HIV risk nor STD-caused birth defects if they do conceive a child. For the vain, they aren’t told STDs ruin your looks.

Like your gravestone will include a notch count and future generations (hell, Gen Z) won’t be repulsed. I like to think men are worth more than their depth of depravity. They encourage men to take porn-star level risks with their health by having bareback anal. Yep, can you tell there’s a gay influence? But gay sex preference doesn’t make them gay, apparently….

They seem to many just competitive sex addicts or compulsive liars who need to feel a sense of online belonging to deal with childhood-rooted emotional abandonment issues.

Generally, they’re exploiting their own sex (they believe in muh 4 hour work week*, come on!) while complaining when other men and women do the same. Surely it’s don’t hate the player, hate the game? The SJWs are working in the same society they have a ‘blogging’ job in.

However, many PUAs as clients or readers are non-whites trying to use and abuse white women, this sexual terrorism angle makes a lot more sense.

Including why it doesn’t work.

They actually don’t believe in leagues.

The guys calling themselves alpha – not a league, apparently!

*The guy had rich parents and went to a brat school. He’s not average.

Sexual Jedi larping. When they can multiple orgasm as dudes, they might be worth listening to.

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If PUA’s put as much effort into improving their lives as they do improving their notch counts, they would be rich and happy men.

Bold to assume they don’t have mental issues.

Have you read their rape fantasies? (Obviously such a person could never be a rapist).

America’s stop hitting yourself

The logic seems to be: Women can’t oppress me, if I oppress them first. How is that going away? The lampreys on MGTOW have utterly ruined it. Who actually supports rapists and murderers without mental issues themselves?

The characteristic of revenge fantasies is that they never actually work.

Logically, if they did keep all 100% of women under male control, all women would be able to renounce all forms of legal responsibility to the man in charge of them. It used to be that way in some places that if women ran up massive credit debt, her husband would be automatically expected to pay. If a woman broke the law, her husband would be expected to provide her alibi or, sometimes, be blamed for forcing her to do it – and be punished in her place. You really want total responsibilities over all those idiotic messes? REALLY. Even SJWs don’t want to be held accountable for what men do. They also want women controlled for life but believe women have expiry dates… need I mention how impractical that is? You can’t drop a responsibility. This is like the people who take a commitment (e.g. marriage) then complain it’s limiting…. The men against marriage would be forcing themselves into a de facto marriage of statistically older (longer lifespan) women. They also wouldn’t be getting sex either, consent still exists. Plus they’d have a recession economy, since half the workforce is gone and never has to work again (sounds nice).

Many of their economic woes are caused by globalization.

They blame the West instead of the East. That is irrational. The propaganda is about the West because it isn’t the West, we were doing well until the rise of Asia stealing our production and student places (most women in top Western universities are Asian, in on forged transcripts, they never mention this).

Mostly, it’s immigration.

If you showed the happy 50s husband the MGTOW posts online they’d probably tell you it was a mental problem. It does share similarities with borderline personality (assuming all people hate you, insecurity, flashy purchases, assuming all people will take things from you and abandon you eventually, feeling out of place).

Hating women (okay, distrusting is visible) so much they deny their own gender role (and thus, power).

from their own files


Do they cut off their nose to spite their face, or their dick to spite SJWs?

You don’t want to pay income tax but want women to pay it?

You don’t want to pay child support but expect mothers to live off air?

You don’t want to fund schools if you don’t have children (that one is fair).

You don’t want men to protect women but refuse the death penalty for the worst criminals? How else do we get rid of them?

You want socialism (the Pill, abortions, STD shots) without the pricetag, seriously? Why not crawl back into your mother’s womb at this point? You don’t want to be an adult. If disabled people can be responsible and productive, what’s your excuse?

Apparently being our gender role oppressed them first. Somehow. Women oppressed them by needing to be provided for, due to the choice to be the baby-carrying and physically weaker sex. Because we choose those, we choose our sex apparently and fuck Darwin, “man up” is apparently hate speech.

Asking an adult male to act like a responsible man is now “sexism”, according to these guys.

(Why do you think a man cannot be a responsible adult without being married ? HMMM?)

Are your parents pushing you to get married? Diddums, you think that doesn’t happen to women?

Are your parents pushing you to have kids? That one REALLY happens more to women. By an order of magnitude.

Is nobody allowed to criticize baby, for fearing he feel SHAME?

Why can’t we shame men who deserve it? They shame women all the time. Shame is good. It makes people question immorality.

If you’re so immoral that shame works, that’s called a conscience and you should listen to it.

Because funding the mother of your children is evil but foisting them on an expensive nanny is good parenting. Studies be damned.

Can I point out the obvious?

If men don’t want to be men – that might explain why women don’t want them.

If we wanted girly men, we’d be lesbians?

A man is not his car or cologne, that would be sexist and dehumanizing. Replacing dignity and masculinity with material possessions and arrogant bragging just puts women off. The good women. Brands are telling you you need to buy stuff to impress women. Is money all they have to offer as a person? How did that work before credit cards?

Oh yeah, men gave the one thing women couldn’t provide for themselves. Men were manly.

If you want to be a metrosexual man, fine. You can’t change biology to make women get the hots for it. This is like fat acceptance but for pajama boys.

“Why can’t the woman pay me paternity leave?”

Because you didn’t give birth. If you gave birth, one day, we’d support you 100%. However, in reality, men cannot give birth, whatever the BBC says. Maternity leave happens after the birth to medically recover from the worst of it (really it takes about a year biologically).

“Why are women congratulated for conceiving?”

Because it’s a medical phenomena that happens inside their body. 

Are they really this dumb? [yes]

They continue to grow and support life itself, that’s impressive. They’ll also have to give birth, which you won’t.

Most of their complaints can be answered with: well, you don’t have to.

Women who choose not to have children still see pregnancy test adverts. They aren’t bitching about it.

Spinsters see marriage programmes on TV. Where is their forum bitching?

Society doesn’t stop because of Princess.

They sound transgender, with all this talk about the ‘evils’ of gender roles and being fluid in their societal duties.

You’re either a man or you’re not. This isn’t hard.

Don’t they get this? I think many of them just have such a low IQ they think the basics of adult living are a huge accomplishment. Women should scatter rose petals at their feet for… not having a criminal record and other things that are… normal.

They want to be spoiled but they aren’t even gay.

Men do the spoiling. Get a boyfriend, let him spoil you. Why do you think men get a sex change? They want a sugar daddy, they need to look female.

Women do provide for men but not the maternal succour they try to demand. Women are maternal to children, not adults and especially not sexual partners. It’s creepy. To be that needy as an adult, just go get it from your actual mother. You will never find a sexy mother replacement. It’s irreconcilable. Women respect (and are attracted to) adults.

(They also won’t find a new one every decade as they age. They think they don’t age.)

Yeah, demanding things from women they cannot biologically (are not evolved to) provide is a recipe for failure.

You can’t blame that on women, broflake.

I deserve this and this and this…” is bullshit in entitled women and men!

You deserve nothing and respect has to be earned. They don’t even respect themselves.

If I hated American men and wanted their legacy to die out, I’d convince them women are like the Jewish Lilith and never to marry or have kids (both of which extend male lifespan and joy).

Males commit more suicide because most of those suicides are bachelors.

Being single (bachelor) is the biggest suicide risk factor for men.
https://psychcentral.com/news/2013/06/11/mens-suicide-rate-is-3-times-that-of-women/55897.html
Almost like they evolved to have a spouse?

ding ding we have a winning study, they’ll never look into it

admitting their lifestyle is medically bad for them would require self-critique

(single women by contrast live longer, especially nuns or the celibate women)

asking happily married men how they did it would require change

Men are also at risk once they are hit by the reality of aging in the 50s. Men young enough to be their children outcompete them.
I’m sure that’s a coincidence. It can’t be regret, right players? There’s no such thing as player burnout, is there?

Men can have children any time they like, sperm doesn’t accumulate mutations year on year, does it? [does]

 

Don’t get me started on the narcissists who feel entitled to sex with women ….without the women part. Well, if you encounter any human socially, you’re bound to expect problems from that. The original MGTOW was quite brilliant in forsaking women and even dating them altogether. Fucking women causes 99% of women “problems”, you signed up for it. Nobody feels sorry for somebody that stupid.

Shallow men, shallow women

“Part of being a man, is having a woman. A Woman, if you can’t do that, you are failing at manhood.”

100% true.

The opposite sex isn’t the enemy, you need them.

Those groups are narcissistic overall, too selfish to be in a relationship with anyone!
They hate people who are happy because it reminds them how miserable they are, that’s why they misuse cuck. A cuck is a man who married a tart and tries to pass her off as better. A cuck can also be a woman whose husband has been the town bike and keeps cheating on her.

Nobody cares if you actually want to be alone. It isn’t a great loss to the world.
It’s okay.
But it’s like the woman who ignores you, you don’t notice and then she comes up to you and tells you she’s ignoring you.
…Good?

Bitchy female tactics don’t work on females.
I don’t want to screw the Mean Girl.

The men who blame women, well, if it’s natural, it’s always been true. In which case, you just hate women. If it’s their choice, why do you want them? Why do you choose to reward them with attention?
Men complaining about women doing the same things they do, is like old people complaining the young men aren’t respectful. It’s always happened. Every time thought this. It’s in various ancient texts.
This time period isn’t that special and neither is any individual. Sitting around passively is ying, it’s what women do. An effete man is like a little boy. They might want to help you but it won’t be an even power dynamic, it won’t be respect, it won’t be attraction. It’s cleaning up your mess. If your life is a mess, clean it up. At least try? Even your own mother wouldn’t be expected to run around after you as a grown man.
The worst MGTOW just want a Mommy figure they can screw… Freudian issues attract nobody normal.
Sometimes they over-estimate their attractiveness (refuse to date their level) – that isn’t Incel. That’s a choice.
Improve yourself and stop obsessing over porn, it isn’t real.

I saw one guy moan about how a girlfriend cheated on him. I pointed out no, she didn’t. He didn’t want her, he hadn’t married her, she owed him nothing. The offer of monogamy and exclusivity and loyalty comes from the man first. He rejected her first. He…didn’t take it so well. He didn’t have a rebuttal but he insisted I was mean to look at it so coldly. …If I walked into a shop and said Where’s my order? and I didn’t place an order, I’d look like a prize fool.

Cheating is a legal term. What did she cheat on, exactly? Empty words? Not even a verbal proposal.
These guys act like a girl committed adultery (Biblical sin)… you weren’t married? WTF?


And if there was fornication, you can’t slap her with the Bible, without hitting yourself too.

Your degeneracy has no right to be respected. You knew it was going nowhere.
Do you really owe a repeat one-night-stand an explanation?

“I’m happy!” the bitter middle-aged men posting on youtube comment sections tell us.
Then why are you here, telling us?
It’s like vegans who make their diet their life.
Not doing something is the focus of a loser.
What is likelier is “I can’t attract what I want but rather than accept my level, I’m going to ragequit dating”.
SJWs do that too, the drama would be perfect narc supply for both of you.
Don’t marry the sluts, m/f, how can that possibly end well?

They have player burnout, that’s the term they use. They’re used-up husks of their former self, they wouldn’t want themselves (sexes reversed) years before. Sexual satisfaction for men suffers with every woman they bed, they make themselves inferior husband material. There’s so much to compare with that by the time they burn out of the pussy parade (it isn’t a choice, it’s aging), they expect some obedient sex slave of a wife to rub their feet.

Their ancestors would spit on them, it’s so denigrating to expect that servile attitude to a spouse, one of the most beautiful connections in life.

They were a sucker. They bought the societal lie they needed to run up debt on clubbing and sex was the ultimate human experience. You’re a casualty of the Sexual Revolution, boys. Grow up and admit it? It’s love, without love, mankind has nothing worth living for and you couldn’t convince a child otherwise.

But…. they’re ignoring us, and we should care.

You attract what you are. If you always attract flies, you’re probably full of shit.

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I DONT NEED A WOMAN, IM A STRONG INDEPENDANT MALE!

Yes.

as an ex-church ex-pentecostal MGTOW who has heard all the chuch BS hearing you quote the bible just makes me mentally switch you off

I wonder why that angry one’s single.

Low IQ men are easy to spot.

Wait, there’s more!

He goes on

The psychopaths in the pentecostal churches just want to force men to do the right thing and marry the stupid nasty devious fem in the pews. I decided I was not going to do that when I was fifteen.

lol

Yes, decisions made age fifteen are famed for their deep wisdom.

How can a woman be both stupid and devious?

If the thug so-called pastors want to talk to me they risk being reported to the police for stalking and harassment. I would love to put some of them behind bars. And your assumptions about what women all the MGTOW want is ignortant, retarded, complacent, and counter-productive.

Pass this little baby a dummy.

You clicked on it, bitch. It’s like a vegan on a BBQ video. What is your life?

Another!

I’m 30…oil field worker …near six figure salary…I’m mgtow all the way and loving every minute of it. Go ahead and man Shame me..it’s music to my ears

I wonder if he wants attention….

We don’t care how much money you have if you’re too stupid to realize life is a marathon and not a sprint.

How old is the oldest MGTOW? Because

I’d have questions.

I would post a tiny picture of a noose hanging from the end of the red line but it would be tacky and I assume you know the statistics on bachelor suicide. When they bitch about male suicide, they never bring up marital status.

Married men are happier, live longer and don’t kill themselves.

Yes, women are poison.

Remember his point about taking responsibility as the #1 masculine drive?

MGTOW is not the flip side of feminism, that would be the Incels. MGTOW are men who recognize the dangers and injustices men face in in our gynocentric/feminist society, and act accordingly to protect themselves. I would argue that most MGTOW would love to have long term relationships and a family, and are more than capable of achieving those things, but the risk is simply too great these days. Don’t blame men for going MGTOW, blame the system for forcing them into this position.

Low IQ, what ya gonna do?

“Social Justice is not the flipside of MGTOW, Social Justice are the women who recognize the dangers and injustices women face in our patriarchal society and act accordingly, to protect themselves. I would argue that most of us would love to have long term cohabitation in sin and deliberately become a single (unmarried) parent and are more than capable of that achievement but the risk of abuse is simply too great these days. Don’t blame women, blame the courts for not believing female victims.”

I mean.

Let’s be logical for five minutes, it might hurt.

You want more women to have children, yes?
You want more mothers. But you don’t want wives.
What makes a single mother single, is that the father didn’t marry her.
He won’t propose. By supporting this, you’re supporting the deliberate creation of more single mothers. For which, the taxpayer is responsible.

We won’t cuck for your sperm farm, hunty.

Another!

MGTOW saves lives.

Did not… do…. the research.

He goes on

” It’s not about realizing how modern laws and media and society brainwash women to be crazy and drunk with power.”

He would deny being a misogynist. Women can’t be sane but he doesn’t hate us.

Watch the r-type try to force you to qualify to him like any kind of moral authority.

If you show me

We can show you a noose?
Statistically, you’ll need it for when you either top yourself or start kidnapping schoolgirls.

a virtuous woman

says the degenerate

who actually

passive-aggressive creep

will be loyal and honest and love me, personally, I

psycho

would gladly have some kind of marriage vows, absent of state authority ruining the whole thing.

What’s wrong with protecting women from abusive husbands?

Or men from wives?

It’s called a commitment, not a half-arsed certificate.

It isn’t like buying a dairy cow.

They’re treating women like an arcade toy. “If you find me this thing, give me this object”. It seems to be autists angry that women don’t want to put up with their mental condition and don’t have to. There are pages going into this abuse from Aspergers husbands, they’re like sociopaths.

And if you are picking on incels, that’s just punching down.

Guys who laugh at rape all over the place and fantasize about young girls?

Yes, we’re bullying them, guys.

Note the gaslighting. Great catch.

I understand the way you see it

accurately?

See, he’s a man so they can’t insult his intelligence or appearance.

~entitled shrieking from the MGTOW~

Congratulations, the SJWs win for every man that no longer wants a family because he’s scared of women. Fewer husbands, wives and kids, they win.

They want the Gender War, don’t give them it.

and grew up with better moral standards, but today it is very easy to be incel. Just be a nerd that is shy.

People who want to be manwhores but can’t… merit anything but contempt?

Another!

I got married young.Age 20. Wife ran off with a doctor soon after. Didnt see it coming.There were no warning signs.They like that money and material things.

Married too young. Moron.
Marry 24+, divorce rate drops for both.
Ah, but they want barely legal flesh, don’t they?

Another! It’s like spot the vegan!

MGTOW don’t diss other guys for dating,

have you read this comment section?

so why do people have to bad mouth us?

They’re actually worse than the SJWs.

The SJWs know they’re ill and take meds. These guys try to convince the whole world it’s crazy and they’re (tic) fine.

It’s a personal choice based on one’s own unique experience.

Using the same lines over and over?

And what experience? You believed a lonely sad blogger’s tale of woe and decided to ruin your life based on works of fiction (or adventures in Asian race-mixing, when they turn out to have been faking the obedient routine and we’re shocked, I say, shocked!).

Most of us just want to be left alone and have no drama. We don’t go around crapping on non MGTOWs.

They don’t even see how stupid they look

Another!

Shaming language against men. Sad. I hoped for better.

What’s your excuse? Are you on your period too?

Men can never be wrong. Shame should be illegal. It’s okay to cry as Barney said because words hurt.

I love those comments in particular (they copy and paste) because they are shaming themselves?

Nobody is allowed to disapprove.

TRANSLATION: F-U-MOM! IT’S YOUR FAULT DAD ABANDONED ME!

Another,

looking for the wrong kind of women eh?

easy, yes

well the right kind are like 1% of girls aka the equivalent of a unicorn

He knows unicorns don’t exist, right?

Good, don’t look for us, never look for us, you aren’t the 1% of men. It is pointless.
This is never, ever brought up. Hundreds of times I read that because the low IQ aren’t original, not once. What is the male unicorn worthy of such a woman?

Another

You don’t get it. Do some more research on it.

Blogs don’t count.

And the “research” I’ve seen on their sites is wrong, twisted or made up.
Literally, they say something very opinionated with no study. Because the studies say the opposite.

He goes on

I don’t agree with all of MGTOW ideologies

uhuh

but they have alot of strong arguments to their physiology. I don’t expect anyone from another generation to understand. You haven’t dated in 33yrs. Time has changed. MGTOW voice is getting louder each yr

tfw to intelligent

A man claiming to be elderly also joins in, but to sound like a 23yo as if his wife were in that age group.

What?

I’m 70,

I don’t believe you.

and I agree with what your saying… separated at 47, divorced 2 years later,

Loser.

3rd wave feminists are a cancer on marriage, and after 17 years looking, in coffee shops, church, office, and dating sites, I’ve given up and gone MGTOW…

You aren’t good enough, the one woman was a fluke.

Did you…. try self-improving? Lowering your standards? …Like the pastor said?

Who wants a 47yo divorced guy? And now he’s 70 and more sour? Sign me up.

It’s like corked wine if we’re keeping that metaphor, the toxic one that’ll make you sick.

I don’t hate women, but I can’t say that good women are laying around like Rubies on the ground, waiting to be picked up…

I wanna leave you and all I did was read this comment.

I picture these guys in the old folks home, still determined they didn’t waste their one (atheists) life being bitter ragequitters. It’ll never stop being funny.

This one doesn’t understand words

So true, it is easy for a man that has been married for over 30 years to make assumptions, heck, even 10 years for that matter. These guys should try to remember the old adage “do not judge a man until you have walked a mile in his shoes”.

Being bitter and alone isn’t an experience.

Oh, shit.

Most MGTOWS do not hate women. It is a natural response to the Jezebel spirit that most women are possessed by today and the State’s desire to make slaves of men through the divorce/family courts. Until the states get it through their heads that what they are doing to men is a crime

Upholding the law. STFU.

I’m embarrassed for you.

At least the SJWs rally together and go on marches, not one from men!
So most men agree with the system!

there are going to be a lot of crazy women running around and less children.

Fathered by people like you, excellent. That is eugenic.

It is necessary. This country USA has sinned against God and especially men and the day of reckoning has come. We’ll see how powerful our country remains when men decide to no longer participate and be made slaves.

America has never been a powerful country, you can’t even invent your own language.

You’re still a slave to Uncle Sam with your taxes.

Destroying your nation because you can’t get a woman is total, ultimate omega move.

If I had not gotten married I would have had a lot less heartache and been much happier I know

bitch’s intuition?

and more money in my pockets

I don’t think he knows what a marital union is or the male gender role.
The male gender role is to provide, if you won’t you aren’t a man and shouldn’t have taken on the duties.

Your bad decisions had bad consequences. Were you threatened with death to marry? no

instead of lawyers and Jezebel stealing from me. I was married 16 years and tried to do it all the Christian way.

Nothing about this guy is Christian, he sounds consumed with greed, envy, wrath and pride.
The Jezebel spirit isn’t exclusive to women…. demons prefer men?

Stay single men in this backwards generation.

I regret that post. It was clearly a joke because more sexual predators and psychopaths are men and some borderlines are men too but… obviously they missed it.

You’re an atheist cultural death cult, you don’t really believe in this stuff.

A guy with a Muslim sounding name complains

Having a woman these days is like letting a robber into the bank vault or an abusive priest near some children.

Totally balanced healthy adult.

One voice of sanity

Why do people feel they need to fit into a label and words for group to be in?

Because they’re little kids and need a clique.

Peter Pan and the Lost Boys.

A guy with a pathetic name says

You have an incredible disconnect with reality.

Projection, I love it.

Another!

Its 2018 and they’re still using the “man up” argument to deflect your attention from observable reality.

i T’ S    t H E    c U R R e n t     Y e a R

Be a man. Grow up.
Get married. Breed.
Not the same thing. Low IQ QED.

You know who love Pajama Boys and hate the term “man up”?

Male feminists. Go join your people.

They tell happy men their wife is a whore and manage not to be shot between the eyes.
They should be grateful.

Again

What’s this? More shaming language against MGTOW and now trying to equate them with incels? Nice try. Go ahead, shame away. I just don’t care.

See? Copy/Paste.

Again

Responsibility without authority is slavery. You are telling men to become slaves.

No, it’s called being a grown up and paying your dues?

Prissy little nancies.

“Why do I have to move out if I can’t get a mansion!”

Join a Marxist group.

Another

Several times in my life I have had a woman I trusted burn everything to the ground and leave me with nothing because I wasn’t perfect.

Yeah, that was why.

Can’t be that you’re a whiny little kid in a man’s body?

But thanks to women having the vote, they have social policies to support them, they don’t need the men

Vox Day is married, he’s trolling you on The Vote.

If women lost the vote you’d have to go down the mines. National debt won’t pay itself. Men would be on the hook for 100% of everything. And you think that’s better for you? Do you know what percentages are?

Again

“Be a man!” That’s a lot of shaming language.

Tone police. Are you gonna tell him off for swearing too, matron?

Shame is an emotion you feel and should feel.

it’s called a C O N S C I E N C E

If someone said “Be a woman”, I’d be confused because I already am?

It’s cute they think they never have to stop acting like a modern spoiled teenage boy.

I don’t have a problem with woman, I have a problem with the government, and their willingness to help woman destroy men.

Most politicians are male.

I don’t want to live at the mercy of a woman’s whim’s.

Did you select a woman and propose to her?

You can say all you want about “good woman”, all it takes is one bad day and you’re future is out the door.

Yes, that’s how it works.

Because this is the best Joker comic

They’re actually just trying to be a jerk …to another man, the way they would a woman. That is unhinged. They can’t argue, that’s a serious personal flaw.

If I replaced women with men, they’d call it sexist. They’re just like the SJWs.

Nobody gives you rights, they’re NATURAL RIGHTS.

Universal suffrage was a correction of outdated pre-industrial law based on taxation. Read a real book.

To shut women (and poor men) up about various war protests over a century using their tax money, they got the Vote, whether they preferred the untaxed cash or not. Then WW1 and 2 happened.

The bad career choice one is funny. Whatever you do, they hate you. Now they’re turning onto other men, good men, better men, men of achievement and happiness. For trying to help them.

Nearly done

You state MGTOW is not good for men. True. What’s far worse is being used and abused by women and the legal system

If the only abuse you suffer in marriage is legal and in divorce, you are lucky.
“Divorce is ha-ard!” they whine.
Divorce isn’t meant to be nice. Ending No-fault divorce would cause more cases to go against men because many are filed for cheating. Fine, I’d be happy to finish no fault – because someone is always at fault.. but it gives men an unearned boost. They are so short-sighted, it’s almost sweet.

This last one confuses criminals for normal men

There’s a lot of truth in a lot of these comments. I divorced in ’05 after 7 years of marriage. But what really showed me was 2008-2009. There was about 10 highly successful men I knew at the time that lost their businesses. All ended up in divorce. All these men lost everything. They lost their families, kids, homes, etc because the women couldn’t take losing their financial security. “For richer or poorer” only applies to men it seems.

Provider not thief.

You don’t just lose businesses like the TV remote. You gamble. You lie. You steal and cheat.
Anyone would leave knowing he’s probably now in massive debt and will harm the children (school fees?) by staying yoked. Men have one job – finances. Be good with the family finances. You want your gender role, you can keep your gender role.

You cannot complain about your gender role.

For richer, for poorer doesn’t cover – lying and deceiving and going into debt on your joint credit (hers too!) so he could make a quick buck and lie to her about how he got it. That has a name and it’s called fraud. Those women were betrayed. Imagine if she had a secret shopping addiction and while thinking before he had $2 million, and planning his life around that, he was actually $780,000 in debt. That is disgraceful. Divorces used to occur all the time because the husband was lazy, a drunk, abusive, cheating and humiliating her or a criminal. Read up. Marriage isn’t an enclosed pen where you can now treat them like dirt and the law fails to apply.

How can you spot a bad lover?

https://old.reddit.com/r/NotHowGirlsWork/comments/8mpz8s/mgtow_think_orgasms_are_unhealthy_for_women/

Wow.

Later, sobbing: why do women treat me like I hate them? Why do they avoid me like a humanoid plague of repulsion?

A minor point a man would be unlikely to notice: the focal point of sex is not counting orgasms like a top score.
Literally all these males have to offer is a penis and none of the masculinity that makes it worthwhile to a woman. That would be dissatisfying enough to make a nympho unresponsive.
If you aren’t skilled enough to help one woman, all the rest were faking. Manual skills with your tongue or hands don’t just disappear and a good lover knows the same technique won’t work on everyone or all the time, they have range (like a dancer). Who wants to tell him they did it to shut him up?

They rarely leave the woman after a short time, she Nexts them because they’re bad in bed.