“Where are the real men?” Where are the ‘good’ men? Dead, mostly

This has applications for men but it’s mostly women I’m reaching here. Quick n dirty explanation.

The most common complaint from redpill women is about the lack of real men. Even in movies, they’re rare. Now, SMV-wise, women have more to complain about in this century than men, because women aren’t the leading sex in general, we rely on men to lead the way and we support them in this. If they can’t lead, they won’t lead and everyone is aimless. I believe this is the other reason real women can’t stand whining MGTOWers – they still don’t get it, they still don’t step up to the plate (even exclusively, selfishly for themselves) and expect women to act like Mommy with the apron strings and do his bloody laundry or something. To a woman, a man is either a lover or a son. We have a natural disgust, visceral disgust, for men who act like boys. Evobio could fill in the blanks on that one. Genetic fitness, parental investment and just being straight up pathetic etc.

Let’s get this out of the way: age group. Let’s assume young for sperm quality but adults. Immediately, a minority of men in an aging population. Basic education, more still. Can support themselves, getting slimmer. Not damaged/perverts/crazy, tiny group. Of this group, some will be gay, others will be already married or unavailable.

No! Some of you say reading this, There are more men than ever before!

And you’re right. It’s all about demographics. 

I am at one with the Miranda.

Go to any major city and it seems like there are more men than women. This is accurate. The crybabies are responding to a simple fact: the sexual marketplace is elastic. We know this from social disasters like easy contraception and abortion (about a quarter of UK deaths recently). The average woman has a bigger bargaining chip for what She Wants, than the average man. We can get jobs. We don’t need male support to have a basic living. This is new. So when you walk up to Ms Average, she probably isn’t being arrogant, she simply knows her value (which you hate) and your chip isn’t high value enough (because another man’s IS). You’re competing with the Invisible Man, who is at least her social equal. Women are social beings. She’s looking for a net contributor to her life. It’s the socio-sexual hierarchy. You need to be worth the effort, since women give up more (youth, fertility, beauty) by choosing to swim in the SMV. PUAs try to lie about their value which is no long term strategy and means you have to keep leaving like a con artist skipping town. Pretend you’re Miss Average. Let’s assume you’re a 5, nice, basic education, support yourself. Middle of the road on everything. When a man approaches you, why is he doing it? He doesn’t move in your social circle. Why not? He’s lower class. He’s even lower on the scale than you. This is literally the only way he can meet women. How should you respond? (Pity leads to clingers and stalkers). What if he’s fake, cocky and half-sneering at you, clearly thinking you’re beneath him, despite how you’re average, know you are, and he is no oil painting himself to need to be doing this?

Oh God I made eye contact with the social fuckwit losers.

This response.
It’s trying to avoid the mantrum of insults when you reject the fucker.

Note: mantrum = male tantrum, usually when you say no to anything he wants. It’s entitled, it’s like a little boy (see above disgust) and it’s inappropriate behaviour for an adult. Boundaries are normal and healthy and nobody owes you anything.

The demographics skew toward Asian men (globally and in cities like London), so white men are at a premium and have automatically higher value. Genophilia and human nature means the white women want white men. Nobody should be more pissed off about multiculturalism than the manosphere, specifically the EU ‘refugee’ migrant Crisis. Let’s ignore the violent possibilities. You see all those military age men? Millions of them? Which women do you think they’re gonna go after? What will happen to the SMV of Europe now, where all the white women at?

sex with actual women mgtow infight

Pro: Our value will skyrocket. Con: As will rape rates.

There are lots of socio-sexual issues of our time, I’m not downplaying that. One of them is delusions of grandeur from men raised on supermodels and porn who actually think they have a chance playing pro out of their league (forever, on a consistent basis, despite the rarity of those women IRL for similar reasons to marriageable men above). Yes, there are leagues. In Europe, we call those classes. It isn’t based on money or your passport, stop embarrassing yourselves bragging about being American or something like it’s exotic.

How many beautiful women are there in your country? How rare are they? How rare are you? The difference is the odds you have of getting one.

Women are suddenly responding to market demands in our favour for the first time ever. However, intersexual competition is ferocious, because the worthiest men are like 0.0001% or another ridiculous number. It’s like chasing a unicorn (at least men don’t have it as bad because they’re the sex that can make offers, imagine if you had to wait for that model to ask you out).

However, most women don’t want SMV. We want MMV. You don’t wanna be that dumb bitch who wasted her best decade ‘waiting’ for her ‘boyfriend’ to propose, she bought a lemon, it’s a sunk cost. It used to be that MMV skewed male (see video Economics of Sex), because men were rare, thanks to all those pesky things called wars culling the populations. Wars used to be eugenic. Let’s take a closer look.

Prior to World War, there were no exemptions. If you were young, you didn’t stay home. They threw you out there. Sink or swim. Then exemptions crept in with rich cowards, liars and people faking injuries. I heard that the bravest men who ever lived died on the battlefield, blown to bits by grenades or gored on barbwire and this is true, we’ve all heard the stories, their family got the accolades and Victoria crosses to prove it. What does that mean genetically? What happened to their line? What happened to the line of the men who stayed home while the others cats were away, surrounded by lonely wives? I’m guessing a lot of cuckoldry for the brave men who did make it home. It’s like the people who ask Where did the British Empire go? The men who made it died protecting it. When they died, nobody wanted to fight anymore by default, so it failed. It just stopped.

It’s faster for me to quote myself for a moment;

He’s right that the quality of men dropped before the quality of women. I feel the manosphere forgets there is another half to the equation. Post-WW, the few surviving men lived it up. Then the Sexual Revolution just happened on by shortly thereafter because women felt left out and wanted some of the attention. Men lost their motivation because sex is practically all they want from women and…. yup, that’s pretty much it.

Men gave up first. They gave up on the white picket fence for a few easy lays. They made their bed. They ruined women (and themselves) for marriage. They continue to ruin women’s MMV. If you contribute to the problems caused by sleeping around, by sleeping around, you don’t get to complain about the karmic consequences that affect you later. You ate the cake. Cake is gone.

The manosphere mocks women for saying “Where have all the good men gone“? Answer: They’re Peter Pans at home playing video games and watching porn, the Lost Boys, which hardly reflects well on men as they think it does, while all the time most of their discussions feature “Where have all the good women gone“? without a trace of self-awareness.

Either Husband Material doesn’t exist (statistically unlikely) like a unicorn or he does exist, he’s incredibly rare but he expects his social equal at minimum. In socioeconomic terms, the assortative mating of Upper Class to Upper Class.

These whiners who acknowledge their value in their troubles never have a high value. They can’t swim in those waters. Can you imagine them at a formal dinner? For an hour? They’d probably get drunk and ask how much the host makes. They have no class. They think James Bond is made by the cut of his suit or his bloody watch. You could put James Bond in sackcloth and he’d work it into social graces (with men too). How many of these losers could, while going on about insane confidence? How popular are they with other men?

What women are bemoaning is the number of decent men on their social level. They know the competition is too fierce for the few clustered around the top that remain. They pine for the Olden Days when there were a larger pool of decent men, likelier for them to snag one, who actually made an effort and men for whom their private life was not also their public life. They had class.

It’s all about class.

You watch a romcom and look at the most popular. What is their class level? By apartment? By income? By lifestyle (not debt)? They’re always beautiful people (high SMV already), youngish (fertile), educated (not stupid), who are well-travelled and well-spoken. It screams good taste. It’s lifestyle porn. The romance is just the plot. How many of those films would succeed if the guy was a dropout doing drugs and playing video games? Do you think she’d be swooning to a swell of orchestral music then? Really? 

Likely, he’s already hit the Wall. Bitching about the drop-off in attention – to younger men. What have they got? Hustle? Women value class over experience. Especially when that experience is self-destructive binge-drinking and game marathons. Who wants to marry that? Can you imagine them as a patriarch? 

The Disney Princesses don’t marry the manservant, do they? The clownish side kick, does he get respect? All these manboys are discussing their Princess, which is sweet in a clueless way, failing to realize that even if she exists, even if they met her, she would be well within her rights to reject him, because he ain’t no Prince Charming. 

Hell, he can’t even manage the charming part.

p.s. Charming is a trait that applies to all. If you are a man who cannot charm your fellow man, you cannot be charming. It’s grace, it’s etiquette and breeding. It has nothing to do with being nice or a pushover. Their social prowess alone is intimidating.

Which laws kept marriages intact?

It is easy to say the modern legal system is unfair, unjust and the various issues with it are causing the social breakdown we know too well. Here are some of the laws which kept the sexes in line, and marriage thereafter. Their loss has caused recognisable problems.

To avoid players or lying cads promising marriage to good women

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_light

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breach_of_promise

To prevent gossip by competition, especially where truthful

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breach_of_confidence

To prevent bitter rivals (possibly male) or spinsters dissolving a union once made

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alienation_of_affections

To promote emotional intimacy and the ‘dependency paradox’ vital for a permanent relationship

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expectation_of_privacy

The spouse should become the centre but not the whole Universe. Family business and home matters don’t leak to outsiders who twist the knife while things are down (natural ups and downs) and never let a good time go without passive-aggression.

Includes land law in

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curtilage

For an obligation of honesty going into marriage – “freely offered” – they know what they’re getting into

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Misrepresentation

Prenuptial agreements should be legally binding I really don’t see the point otherwise. It misrepresents the litigant as not a gold-digger and then they can turn around and say “it doesn’t count, I didn’t mean it”?

This is widely applicable from many parties and SJWs do this for monstering, bring it back with criminal libel

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_light

Most vital of all, this ensures sexual fidelity in BOTH parties as agreed in their vows, reduces cuckoldry to nil and guarantees financial support between parties (not paid out to mistresses or bastard children).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criminal_conversation

The tort of criminal conversation seeks damages for the act of sexual intercourse outside marriage, between the spouse and a third party. Each act of adultery can give rise to a separate claim for criminal conversation.

This values the commitment. Dollar value. Bring it back.

It’s a matter of time until the feminists bring back

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seduction_(tort)

for men who lie to get sex (like, all 99.999% of them).

Protection from adultery is the crucial means of safeguarding marriage for future generations. Without this, what is the point? Nobody forces you to make a commitment in this century, the choice should have legal weight on both sides. The K-types care about marriage and must protect their mating strategy from predatory r-types, either as their spouse or the cheating third party. Marriage must be inoculated from the ravishes of the sexual marketplace.

 

The demise of English girls and types of slut

http://the3bromigos.com/2015/02/11/to-enjoy-my-dating-life-in-the-1950s-my-granddad-would-have-had-to-have-been-errol-flynn/

He correctly points out feminism has helped men by encouraging women to sleep around, at their own detriment. Players would formerly be run out of town or killed.

All this equality is great for guys on the dating scene. I call for more of the same! If it means hot young women are willing to sleep around without asking for anything (marriage) in return, then I am a supporter. Many English girls will happily sleep with us within 2 or 3 dates or less if we want it and many will be at peace wholly with the idea of calling it a day shortly after.

Yes, the downside, I know, classy women who aren’t apple shaped drunkards are on the decline, but we can still find them (I tend to have to leave the UK to be honest). When we do find them, they are just as thirsty for cool guys as cool guys are for classy ladies.

Little hiccup with that. Those women aren’t high-quality, probably mid-range. As previously admitted, the classy women don’t go for players because they have the SMV/MMV to make a high-quality man commit.

If you wish to be discerning, like I do, just make sure you identify those mid-range nice girls who are neither sluts nor drunks. They will take a little longer to find I admit, but the deal will still be the same, you certainly won’t have to marry them.

crying laughter lmao

Yes that’s…. that’s completely true. A classy woman would demand marriage, after all. This guy’s good.

By classy;

The average of these girls does not sleep around at all. Three sexual partners by their wedding day would be a huge embarrassment to them. Every man they accept, not even into their beds, but merely as a romantic option, is carefully considered. These women can do this usually because they are smoking hot. Men will accept a high barrier to entry because their eggs are of the highest quality.

You are well vetted before you get into this girl’s bed. They don’t get turned over by guys like me.

I know a few top pickup guys who have had the same experience with the Yowzers of this world and after months, have failed to succeed. A large part of the reason for this failure is the realization that, yes, they can bed the girl, but it would require a huge breach of trust, they’d have to make commitments that they know they won’t fulfill. The level of comfort you must build with these girls is to the point where a good man will be cheating a close friend if he continues. A sneaky, low value man is sniffed out by these highly intuitive girls very quickly. This is why a lot of pickup guys (and this includes some trainers I knew) just can’t get the hot girls, because they just don’t have the inner game.

Why aren’t men attracted to ‘educated’ women? It must be sexism!

http://elitedaily.com/women/intelligent-women-likely-single/678309/

I've been waiting ages to use this one, it's so apt to academics

The number of college-educated women now outweighs the number of college-educated men, which in turn has diminished options in the dating pool. Men aren’t ready to accept being second in the bread-winning competition and this is causing women to either settle or stay single.

Intelligence breeds ambition, which breeds neglect. Neglect for love, boyfriends and years spent pursuing that MRS Degree. Neglect in college, focusing on studies rather than finding a man and neglect at work, refusing to spend nights out at bars and clubs.

Unfortunately, for all those women who thought a man would come later, other women capitalized on their youth, snatching up all the boyfriends and husbands while they focused on building their careers.

It’s close in places.
Never quite gets there.

If a woman seems too smart or accomplished, she’s typecast as “non-dating material.” If she’s witty and competitive, she’s viewed as challenging and overbearing. Society has come to teach women that being funny and smart won’t get you dates, but empty heads and shallow hearts.

No. You can be intelligent and feminine. You can’t use your intelligence as an excuse to be a bitch (personally) and expect people won’t see through it.

http://www.therulesrevisited.com/2013/01/what-men-think-about-your-intelligence.html
http://www.therulesrevisited.com/2012/05/men-dont-care-about-your.html

Wife is a JOB title, MMV and SMV

Timely with certain undercurrents from feminists that women should be paid to work as mothers. (hold back your snort of derision, please, I know, I know…)

Graphic not mine; 10-scale also covered here and here, for variation of opinion.

If anyone's interested, there's plenty of scales too onlineSexual Market Value differs from Marriage considerations. This applies to both sexes. Heartiste has some good tests on SMV for both men and women (see top bar).

Here’s an excellent website I want to signal boost, I especially love the Wife Tests (as I usually pass them).

http://theredpillroom.blogspot.co.uk/2013/04/wife-test-introduction-and-batshit-crazy.html

http://theredpillroom.blogspot.co.uk/2013/09/wife-test-red-pill-alerts.html

http://theredpillroom.blogspot.co.uk/2013/11/the-wife-test-domesticity.html

“It’s amazing how many women don’t really understand that “wife” is a job description, not a title.”

Why smart women don’t divorce;

http://theredpillroom.blogspot.co.uk/2014/02/wife-test-intelligent-women-pick.html

In sickness and in health;

http://theredpillroom.blogspot.co.uk/2014/04/wife-test-good-health.html

Go for natural, it can’t be faked;

http://theredpillroom.blogspot.co.uk/2014/01/wife-test-attractiveness.html

Balance and assistance;

http://theredpillroom.blogspot.co.uk/2013/11/the-wife-test-good-worker.html

Of course, if you’re MGTOW, this does not apply, but I don’t see how being informed otherwise in case you change your mind could be a bad thing.

“By all means marry. If you get a good wife, you will become happy, and if you get a bad one you will become a philosopher.” ~ Socrates