Okay, let’s say you’re God. Thought experiment.
You know someone will make a bad parent or the kid will be evil, do you make them infertile?
If not, you’re the Devil because you’re knowingly promoting suffering in the world.
There’s a reason tons of Devil stories revolve around him producing evil children.
Nature wins, Nurture is largely measurement error, academic fraud and the sociologist’s fallacy of assumption (unknown therefore nurture).
Let’s quote n’ comment from reddit.
“Everyone disagreeing with this sort of thinking is retarded. You guys do realize that there’s millions of children starving right now because their parents were poor but still fucked?”
You have somewhat below 2 billion starving people one century ago.
Now this has tripled or nearly quadrupled, depending on who you ask.
Yeah, you’re the charitable ones. The First World is starving (I have posted on food security) but at least the populations of say, Europe, are currently sustainable.
The rest of the world? What happens when the funding stops? Oh, these wannabe Saints will just look away or blame rich people. Also, breeding kids to work while you sit on your ass is literally child slavery.
Given the boosted pop N, the average global IQ must’ve gone way down, so no, they can’t innovate their way out of it. These people would struggle to earn a dollar a day.
What’s wrong with 100% effective, reversible birth control? That’s all sterilization is. You can still harvest cells for reproduction. It simply stops accidental, natural reproduction, which is what all the shitty parents claim (to the welfare people), like they didn’t know that fucking makes brats. (underage parents should be immediately arrested as rapists, yes, a child can rape another child, obviously)
“but dont you know, its their right to breed, how fucking dare you question an imbecille electing to condemn yet another person to suffering and death without putting any thought into it?
no, it isn’t their right to breed, where is the right to breed
does an 85yo bachelor have a right to breed? can a random woman take a celebrity man’s sperm because she has a right to breed? does a 12yo girl who loves babies have a right to breed?
There isn’t even a right to sex, because it involves taking something from another person. The genetic theft of their body’s essence, a deeper rape than rape.
Thou Shalt Not Steal.
youre so disgusting, how dare you even think that they shouldnt have bred! baby killer!
entitled, they think they’re entitled to something because they see kids as a net positive since society doesn’t enforce full parental responsibilities (on both sires, half won’t do)
its absolutely amazing that people think they have right to another person. what kind of mental gymnastics are you all doing to justify that to yourself? I hope y’all remember that this is the exact same mindset that rapists have, “i do what i want and it doesnt matter what this other person wants, because my wants are more important”‘
Either way, the STD epidemic developing antibiotic resistance is properly sterilizing SJWs as we speak, the wages of sin.
“Infertility: a preventable epidemic?” [yes I know not all, not even close to all but enough to count statistically so shh it counts for debate]
You wanted a Sexual Revolution, welcome to the foreseeable outcome to any deathstyle.
Technology can’t save you from biology.
“What would that look like? Billions in health care costs and tragic public health consequences such as a rampage of STD-caused infertility.”
t r a g i c
Narcissists can’t abuse children they cannot conceive.
“For all the lobbing about of The Handmaiden’s Tale in pop culture these days, this is one epidemic where the analogy really does fit: Although many women don’t realize it, rising STDs directly correlate as a leading cause of infertility in women.”
so much for consent, huh?
It’s almost like the old, real consent is a marriage license….
Good luck denying that in court.
It’s amazing how pro-life abortionists get when you point out they’d make bad parents anyway. The best way to fuck with SJWs is to agree with them for the most right-wing reasons humanly possible.
Low IQ can’t see the long-term consequences or implications on society, you see.
Liberal sub-fertility is a definitive feature of r-selection.
“We now have rates of babies being born with congenital syphilis not seen in decades,” says David Harvey, executive director of the National Coalition of STD Directors. “It’s a crime.”
yes, on the parents
I am not responsible for your bad tree producing rotten apples.
“It’s a failure of our health care system.”
Giving out the antibiotics willy-nilly to people with STDs caused the resistance, and not just in people with the STDs. Everyone else suffers: children, the elderly, chronic conditions, people getting surgery in the ER, everyone else pays for it.
Not opinion, a fact: https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-families/gonorrhoea-antibiotics-world-health-organisation-who-untreatable-disease-mutates-sti-std-sexually-a7828186.html
Sepsis will return and infect those innocent mothers in hospitals.
It’s almost like monogamy evolved.
“The costs down the road of treating these conditions are enormous with estimates in the billions. STD rates will continue to increase in the United States absent some dramatic change in how we confront these epidemics. Period.”
We’re slowly becoming the Third World, as the First dies.
“We would have very sick people who we can’t treat or get out of hospital.”
We have death pathways for that.
Back to reddit.
“You dont get to talk about rights while happily ignoring the rights of those that are created by imbecille parents because they couldnt use a condom, or wanted a mini me. You cannot have one without the other.”
The right to breed is a full and total responsibility to what you breed. Simple logic.
You can’t shake it onto anyone else, they didn’t magically possess your genitals. This train of thought, from legal adults.
The simple way to put this issue Tesla noted? There is an inverse correlation between IQ and fecundity: the stupids are fucking.
If technology is going to save everyone in the future, you need people smart enough to do that, it doesn’t just happen.
I love the “correlation isn’t causation” crowd, I just ask them about smoking causing lung cancer, it’s just a correlation bro. They wouldn’t bother with correlations if they couldn’t seek to infer causation. They aren’t the same thing but you need point A to get to B, that’s called…. The Scientific Method!
At least, in theory.
There is also an inverse correlation between IQ and violence, especially sexual violence.
Centuries of literature supporting this. Bear in mind, IQ is how teachable you are.
Do feminists want to discuss this? Hell no, they expect rapists to respond to reason and magically float away on a cloud of logic.
“It doesn’t work as it should be like. Like most humans get to have children, weak, stupid, with a genetic disease, these bad traits no longer mean impossibility to find a partner or to die.”
pre-welfare the test used to be social 1. find someone to marry you for life, no take-backsies and 2. can you financially support yourself and kids? (“keep them”, mentioned in the vows)
“One of the problems with current evolution is the excess of tolerance.”
pop the fake money bubble and that’ll go away real quick
It’s so petulant about the State “allowing” them to have kids, the true issue: how about the State “allowing” them to rob their neighbors to support their bad fuck-ups, literally? And anyone saying the truly disabled have a good life never want to socialize with them, they think Mindy going through the bad break-up has issues. I don’t care if the local ghetto trash have 9 kids. I don’t want to pay a penny to raise kids I had no consent in making. Full choice, full duty. No consent means no money.
It’s already legal to kill the disabled, abortions and death pathways. Go after the deadbeats (the bullets in the gun, the sperm donors) and stop subsidizing mothers of future criminals. Criminology has proven this, a chemical cascade triggered by deadbeat fathers and yet the lawyers pretend these people are innocent.
You agree with Tesla if you believe there is any such thing as a bad parent.
Where’s the father? Why can’t the father pay? Isn’t that his role?
If I pay for a child, can I replace the parents? Can I go to their graduation?
State adoption is taxpayer burden.
“Candidates for chemical sterilization include:
Men over the age of 20 that rape prepubescent children. Second offense might be required just in case of wrongful conviction for first time offenders.
over 20? why the arbitrary? all rapists, m/f, repeat offence is a good test
chemical castration is the solution there, unless they move to rape with objects
this next one
Men who have children out of wedlock with 3 or more women and more than one is on welfare. May also require the offender does not have a job for more than 1 year or something or is compounded with criminal record.
“Men who have children out of wedlock with 3 or more women” – err no, fuckboys who have children out of wedlock full stop, it’s called a condom or a vasectomy, why do they always let the men off? No welfare queens without kings.
It’s also a very reasonable argument to not allow people to have children who can not care for them.
unless you’re bribing them into learned helplessness
I’m not sure what this looks like and this is what the eugenics conversations were all about in the early 20th century. Fortunately it didn’t materialize since there was some racism then. Extremely low IQ or mentally disabled should not have children, not sure if sterilization is the answer but the conversation shouldn’t be buried for fear of moral condemnation.
And what about the fathers?
Oh, so 50% shitty DNA is fine for the gene pool?
Already here, thanks progressives!
Evolutionary biology would suggest that only the strong survive and thrive or those with the most desirable characteristics procreate. The developments over the last century have provided enough excess wealth
that the weak are surviving and thriving on the back of the strong.
parasitism formerly known as socialism
Idiocracy is a comedy but the potential of such a future shouldn’t be ignored. It’s certainly possible if the best of us continue to have less children and much later in life.”
reply “Are there genetic markers that predispose people to have kids out of wedlock? Be on welfare? or have a criminal record? No, there are not.”
There’s plenty of genetic research marker material on r-traits.
It’s a long game.
When they don’t make themselves infertile by STDs, they abort or choose to be child-free.
Fine by us.
“So you’re really just advocating that we punish the very poor.”
why would rich people go on welfare, you utter moron
Stupid people typically play the What you really mean game because their brain can’t handle what a smart person actually said.
Fewer poor people as a % (larger total group) have committed crimes compared to the white-collar middle class. By all means, let’s eliminate classism in arrests and enforcement.
Making poor people get married could be easy, making them stay married is a trick. By all means, let’s encourage marriage and monogamy in the poor.
These people think they’re intelligent.
Those aren’t bad outcomes.
“I mean, you seem to be very into magic. Which is stereotypically filled with unattractive low status neckbeards. You would almost definately be on a list for chemical castration (get the term right) if it were ever implemented.”
Yes, genetics is magic.
Wait, stereotypes aren’t real when it comes to breeding sows and their pimps, but do exist when you wanna get on your high horse and signal?
And so what? There are people conscientious enough to do something that’s good for society, even if it comes at personal cost. Those are called K-types.
Tesla was one of those, that’s why he never had children.
This whole thing is about taking responsibility for yourself, the entire point.
You can hear the ocean between their ears.
“Doesn’t mean that we can’t discuss it, it’s not as open and shut a discussion as you think. Most would agree there are people that should not have children. So what do we do when they have children? The answer right now is nothing, we have to take care of their children with taxes and effort and pay for it in more ways than one. Children without fathers leads to more dysfunctional families and abnormal, criminal behaviors and so forth.”
Even the people who get it, don’t. We? Who is We? This isn’t my kin.
We’re in Stage 2 of 3. Boom before bust.
Their children. Children are a blood-line. That line could stop any time, any place. If the State decides to stop, the parents step in and do their job or nature does.
It’s called a bachelor tax and all the successful societies of history had it.
Men are told they aren’t responsible for their children. That’s the first point of deviance from the truth, leaving the woman holding the baby comes second.
“The developments over the last century have provided enough excess wealth that the weak are surviving and thriving on the back of the strong.” not for long, cut off the money supply and the rest will follow
It’s already happening, there will be no economic recovery, we rode the fumes of post-WW BS. Prosperity again is impossible without a burn-down of the current model for cleansing purposes.
reply “As far as responsibility goes — that isn’t simply a genetic trait, but an environmental one”
“Findings from genetic studies of personality have furthered our understanding about the genetic etiology of personality, which, like neuropsychiatric diseases themselves, is highly polygenic. Polygenic analyses have showed genetic correlations between personality and psychopathology, confirming that genetic studies of personality can help to elucidate the etiology of several neuropsychiatric diseases.”
Over time the number of genetic things is rising. We live in a dysgenic societal structure by every conceivable metric. The dam will break, it’s a matter of time.
How precise is current testing model/s?
“Biometrical genetic studies suggest that the personality dimensions, including neuroticism, are moderately heritable (~0.4 to 0.6)”
Seriously, can redditfags use fucking google? For once?
Technically, personality tests should be illegal.
“Findings demonstrate that neuroticism can be significantly predicted across ancestry,”
so not genocide
“and highlight the importance of studying polygenic contributions to personality in non-European populations.”
But in a eugenic society, are good pro-social, responsible personalities selected for?
this is dubbed pseudoscience as an excuse not to address the argument
the redditfag’s lalala I’m not listening
he goes on to add
“Pseudoscientific beliefs are those which appear scientific but which don’t use the scientific method ie ones where logic and reality don’t coincide.”
Nature Genetics doesn’t use the scientific method?
“The idea that genetic traits are unambiguously good or bad is provably false.”
Yeah, the genetic traits for various disabilities aren’t bad, who wouldn’t choose to have (pick a disease)?
MORAL RELATIVISM DOESN’T APPLY TO MEDICINE.
DISEASE EXISTS TO BE TREATED.
“Knowing what traits will be useful in the future and which won’t be requires both a level of understanding of biology that we don’t have”
you claim to be pro-science? really? we already know the genes for dominant conditions, we can make a start
“and the ability to predict the future which we can’t do.”
SCIENCE CAN’T PREDICT THINGS, GUYS!
yeah maybe if you’re working in climate science and spinning a baby’s toy wheel to decide the forecast
“In other words eugenics is a totally crap idea.”
I don’t understand it so stupid? [appeal to incredulity]
Truly, these are our intellectual betters.
The guy quotes wikipedia and the Flynn effect, which admits it lies.
Scientism is a cult.
“However based on how we believe evolution works it is physically impossible for us as humans, at this point in our developmental stage to determine how, or why select traits have evolved over other. Especially considering that we can’t even prove the origins of our existence. Point is it’s not pseudoscience just because it isn’t proven.”
theories don’t exist?
Back to the STD thing, do you believe evolution indulges in population culls?
“The stars are aligned for us to get this done. For a modern, industrialized wealthy nation to tolerate the continued transmission of this disease should be unacceptable. We don’t have to have it here.”
Tolerate? Yes. Who brought these diseases back? They had to come in from somewhere. Where’s the origin?
“It is unconscionable that in the last several years that STD control programs around the country, city and state level have been emasculated in terms of the resources that we have,”
The programmes intended/funded to produce less disease made more, much more and drug-resistant.
We should convict the people who ran it.
The investment actually broke the law.
If the apps are a public health risk, why are they legal?
“And that’s what happens with drug-resistant bacteria. So not only do you have this issue where we’re seeing more cases of infection, now we’re starting to see and get concerned about growing resistance to the treatment that we have.”
You can deny evolution but you cannot deny the consequences of evolution.
Stupid people lose.
You should be able to sue anyone for harming your body.
That includes male or female, and STD.
back to reddit for a time
“Ensuring that people have options goes a lot farther than simply writing off people who make mistakes.”
No, a mistake is spilling milk, not making another human life.
You do have options: if you have sex, you are responsible for consequence, you consented.
“People with no conscience or concern for their community are not good people.”
Antisocial people are literally the ones in all our horror movies.
The anti-natal will die.
It’s already happening.
That could be made compulsory in gang rapists.
It isn’t compassion to spare people with real problems, it’s guilt and it increases suffering logically. Stop guilt tripping healthy people.
“Her body, her choice” is strange wording, not in rape cases, it isn’t. And her fuck-up, her funding. [and his]
Think of how thi$ State happened.
That’s fine, we can throw them in debtor’s prison or make them work off the debt (the Empire regains slavery).
Why do Communists need a ruling class? Why need a government? You’re equal, right?