many of their tactics are just narcissistic abuse, this is one
so much for wanting a healthier society
many of their tactics are just narcissistic abuse, this is one
so much for wanting a healthier society
” They focus on problems, not solutions.”
e.g. Critical theory and being ‘unhelpful’ for…?
“They use other people to accomplish whatever their goal happens to be.”
e.g. PUAs. Formal term is triangulation, they tell you what you want to hear.
“They make you prove yourself to them.” You only qualify yourself to a superior, peer must be assumed until proven and isn’t based on a demographic factor, it’s individual. In the reverse…
e.g. Everyone who says, in effect ‘I dislike your opinion, so you’re part of outgroup’, a no true scotsman.
“Beware of people who find fault with you and make you wrong. Loyalty is foreign to them.”
They’re never wrong, are they? 😀
“Toxic people often make you want to fix them and their problems. They want you to feel sorry for them, and responsible for what happens to them. Yet their problems are never really solved, for once you’ve helped them with one crisis, there’s inevitably another one. What they really want is your ongoing sympathy and support, and they will create one drama after another in order to get it. “Fixing” and “saving” them never works, especially since you probably care more about what happens to them than they do.”
It’s good I already mentioned pick-up and ‘game’ because it actually follows the stages of gaslighting abuse.
I’ll illustrate with examples, where possible.
1. Women are worthless. Counter: then why are you obsessed with them? You don’t base your life around something worthless. [They don’t want women to be happy without them and without being their hookers, hence the contradiction with the Western value of liberty and tradition of not being promiscuous and degenerate (applies to both sexes). They implicitly believe ‘Women should be forced to sleep with me’. Hold up there, Mohammed! They bought into the lie of porn – all women want you and they’re ‘playing hard to get’. Sexual entitlement is the secret of a loser’s desperation. The women in porn are paid to act interested, even they’re not. They also conveniently forget a supposedly desirable harem is marriage, with Middle Eastern duties on the man, the man is 100% financially responsible and the women don’t work. They refuse to get married once and object to that polygamy because it reduces nubile supply.]
2. Women are (various bad things, implying men are not). No proof, no comparison of data from both sexes. Long opinion pieces. Counter: Differentiate that from sexism. [Third-wave Feminists do this stuff too, but everyone’s already explaining that.] Negging doesn’t even work, just look at their ‘success rate’. The terms are so Orwell.
3. (They literally tell their followers –cult– to escalate whatever criticism comes their way after attention-whoring –peacocking-, so I don’t need to put anything here. They literally use the word escalate, even when what they’re escalating e.g. ‘kino’, code for physical contact, is illegal aka assault). Search PUA+game+”escalate”
4. Aside from continuation long after it’s socially acceptable, stalking, doxing and harassment, I’d also include dogpiles and other ways to get their internet boyfriends involved to keep punching down. Because punching down, 5 or more against 1 is so much better? ‘Amused mastery’ isn’t what it sounds like, it’s the denial and dickishness women uncannily and universally despise about just these guys, since they refuse to admit any useful point (brick wall) and deny-deny-deny while claiming women are the ones denying reality. They laugh at the frustration, like children, oblivious to how stupid they objectively look (also to other men).
5. Google “dread game” it’s literally this stage. Seriously.
6. ‘Beta game’ aka pretending to be a decent person for a little while. Narcissists do this already but male borderlines need to be told how to imitate it, to get the supply they need. Most ‘game’ is feigning K-selected characteristics that are evolutionally desirable while hiding what they really are, that’s why they burn out like the psychopaths they stupidly admire – it’s one big act. They pretend being fake men for years is a strength and sunk cost means they never admit it. That’s what all the ‘macho man’ fake masculinity spiel is, they’re trying to convince themselves of the delusion. Ask them how their mother’s doing. Better yet, ask her WTH happened.
7. Look up all the quotes and forum topics on ‘game’ sites describing all women as whores that want to be raped and choked, specifically. Sometimes beaten, with fists or a belt. They really do think this, they’ve projected all their desensitized sick porn habits on the Evil Lilith Judaism myth. Men don’t dominate women, they never have, they work with women on mutually agreed upon goals, the sexes cooperate or those examples die. They’re thinking of sexual domination because they don’t think with Upstairs Brain.
In effect, these males want sex slavery without the balls to run their own life, a Mommy replacement. Remember, one of Mohammed’s ‘wives’ (captive slaves) poisoned him.
They’re not joking when they say they don’t want women to have rights because they don’t see women as human. In which case, their sexuality is dubious (bestiality? which religion is that common to again?) and they can’t expect women to do any work, including childcare. Let alone their ‘share’ of the housework.
‘Game’ proponents pretend to teach the socially inept how to find wife material. They lie to other men to make shekels and seem respectable. That’s why I did the still-popular post on What does it get you? Less than the average guy, guessing. That’s without going into the brown caste of most game practitioners, desperate in their White and Blonde fetishes/Fevers. But sure, it’s the women gagging for you, huh? They don’t select for the quality or marriage, those males (not men) don’t see it, don’t value or respect it and couldn’t keep it if it managed to fall from the sky to their lap. They sexually select (DARWIN) for cheapness, easiness and sluttiness. No wonder they keep finding women to be sexually damaged, emotionally disturbed (the ones attracted to them) and disloyal. They’re signalling what they are. Birds of a feather…
The one common denominator in all your failed relationships, is you.
Borderline is already under-diagnosed in women, more often depression, histrionic personality, (ego, identity) anxiety or narcissism.
But male borderlines are under-diagnosed even more than that. Usually men are tarred as sociopaths (antisocial personality) if they feel empty, or narcissitic personality if they’re grandiose (faking it).
A lot of manosphere and self-proclaimed redpill types match this, and even complain when (other) borderlines are attracted to them, or plain narcissists (there is a co-dependency between the conditions in romantic attachments, the NPD feeds off the BPD’s attention and false identity is created like an ego plug, for both).
Red flags to look for include:
- Frequent romantic relationships (often too close together): Do you know a male who has been with tons of women? Did this guy feel guilty or did they feel admired? Believe it or not, some males with BPD symptoms will date multiple women (feel guilty later) and refuse to commit due to a fear of abandonment. Other males will “scare” their spouses away with their quick tempers, argumentativeness, and sometimes even physical aggression. An interaction with a male with BPD may include the individual saying any and everything to trigger their spouses anger. Their relationships may be frequent and too fast. Individuals with BPD tend to be emotional which is why some individuals pursue multiple relationships that begin too fast and end before you can blink.
- Drama laden behaviors and attitudes: Most of society, primarily men, would say that “women are dramatic.” Some women would agree. In fact, it is a natural thing for women to be emotional with all of the emotions and hormonal fluctuations. But for males, the drama would look at bit different. For example, I previous worked with a 13 year old male who would come to therapy idealizing me and his work with me almost all month until the final week of the month when he would become very detached emotionally and standoffish. He fluctuated between liking me and confiding in me, to rejecting my ideas and therapeutic support. During these “episodes,” he would also break up with a girl and pursue another. He would also reach out to old girlfriends via texting with the excuse that: “I didn’t end things right, I need to make it right.” This continued for years.
- Roller Coaster emotions, thoughts, and behaviors: Again, as stated above, most men are not dramatic but sometimes the way in which emotions are expressed can feel like multiple personalities. Men with BPD will often become “hot” and “cold,” change perspective quickly, or exhibit very angry and hostile emotions toward others. This is the type of person who will exhibit a consistent and stable pattern of behavior, perhaps even for a long time, and then quickly change into what seems like a completely different person. An example of this would be a teenager being a “daddy’s girl” one moment, and then later telling the father how awful of a person he is and how unfair his parenting is.
- Hot and Cold interactions with others:Some individuals with BPD really struggle with relationships and often have trouble with interpretation of comments, body language, and emotions. For example, a male with BPD might find it quite disturbing that his wife speaks to other men while in public. He might begin to behave oddly such as being emotionally distant, becoming easily angered, not openly communicating, or begin taking everything personally. This same man may later act as if nothing happened and instantly appear to be one of the most fair spouses you could ever have. The emotions of BPD are like a roller coaster at times and it can be difficult to determine what emotion the individual might exhibit from one moment to another.
- Frequent suicide attempts or SIB: It is a known fact within the world of psychology and psychiatry that individuals with suicidal ideations (i.e., thoughts), gestures, or threats will often use suicide as a way to manipulate their loved ones or somehow prove that they are “lovable.” For example, the man above on #4 might become so jealous of his wife talking to other men than he decides to tell his wife that he will kill himself if she does not refuse to talk to other men.In this case, suicidal thoughts, threats, or in gestures is used to manipulate someone else. However, there are individuals who are seriously considering suicide because the symptoms of BPD “causes” difficulties in various domains.The pain is so intensified including the fear of abandonment that suicidal thoughts may temporarily comfort the sufferer.
- Attention seeking behaviors: Some individuals with BPD (primarily adolescents with BPD traits) crave attention, even if it is negative. The loud attitude, the blatant and aggressive words, the criticism, the accusations of being unloved and abandoned all draw attention to the individual. Males who exhibit BPD traits will often cut themselves or harm themselves in some way and then draw attention to how they harmed themselves. Other males with BPD traits may engage in risky behaviors such as unprotected sex, having multiple mother of multiple children, domestically abusing his family, making threats to keep everyone afraid and confused, or entertaining a negative group of peers (e.g., gang involvement),
- Dependency/co-dependency: Co-dependency or dependency is often a very common symptom of BPD. As stated above, the fear of abandonment makes it difficult for individuals with BPD to maintain safe, healthy, an satisfying relationships. On the other hand, there may be times when someone connected to the individual with BPD begins to rely, emotionally and psychologically, on the individual with BPD. The relationship is dependent upon the other individual who may be just as (or more) emotionally and psychologically unstable.
- Anger outbursts but social charm: Many of us are used to hearing that sociopaths or narcissists are superficial, shallow, and manipulative. But we must also consider that an individual with BPD (who may also have other diagnoses) can become very angry to the point of manipulating situations or responding to confrontations/arguments inappropriately. Anger outbursts can occur more than we think in individuals with BPD.
To any kind of personality condition, they refuse to accept responsibility for their actions or the outcomes because it’s so integral to who they are, they cannot conceive other means. It will always be the fault of the Other e.g. so a gay BPD man will blame all Other man, a straight BPD man will blame all Other/ all women, see what I mean with the manosphere thing? Is that not exactly what they do?
Despite claiming to be alpha (no grit, no LT plans like a psychopath) and chill (apathetic), they frequently burst into rage online, in articles and videos and in person. They usually have domestic abuse accusations on file, but like a psycho, play victim. You can’t be the strong one and the victim. However, they’re highly emotional and try to talk out of this with rationalization, confusing it for rationality because again, they have no true identity so may think they’re ASPD and secretly getting one over on everything, but in truth they don’t even know what those things mean e.g. loyalty, love, rationality, they lack a sense of self like a baby.
PUA appears to be an excuse that all the antisocial behaviours are signalled as positive e.g.
I’m not a slut, I’m a stud!
Women don’t want me? Women can’t have me! Nobody can hold me down!
I’m not dramatic, I’m exciting!
Draining? You’ll miss me when I’m gone!
I’m not mean, I’m funny!
I treat them badly because they deserve it, and I deserve to be worshipped because I am Manly Man McAlpha!
I’m not lonely, I’m a lone wolf!
I could get any woman I want, they’d be so lucky to have a user like me.
When I’m cold, it’s cool. When a woman’s cold, she’s a frigid bitch and there’s something wrong with her.
I know a lot of people were shocked he was getting away with bending over Asian women in a video.
A lot of PUA videos were faked, this one wasn’t.
Legally this was shocking, he wasn’t beaten up or arrested.
Derren Brown does it. Actually, he should make a PUA documentary.
If a man has sex with a hypnotized woman, it’s rape.
There’s no full, conscious consent. Consent is vitiated to coin the legal expression, and since Derren studied law at Uni, he’d agree with me.
Demonstrated here in a professional setting.
Julien Blanc is the ugliest Swiss I’ve ever seen. I’m sure that isn’t a coincidence.
He should be imprisoned for doing hypnosis without consent, as a therapist needs in writing, and without a permit, as therapists are trained to provide. The targets look like minors too, assault of a child would be considered, like the general harassment of PUA videos and illegality of filming I have covered anyway.
They’re con artists, naturally they’ll rip off the stuff that works.
I hope you came here from a web search.
Some men did not get off so easy in regards to “game”. If you fell prey to the false promises of “game”, please do yourself a favor and cut your losses now. If you bought a book full of fancy lines/routines to “attract women”, throw in the garbage, or better yet, use it to keep the fire blazing a little longer next time you go camping. Also, unsubscribe from any PUA newsletter IMMEDIATELY! And finally, if you fell victim to a PUA bootcamp, you were conned. I sincerely feel bad for you. I almost took one myself at one point and would have taken it on the chin as well. DO NOT use any of the dorky/cocky funny lines you were taught at your bootcamp EVER again! No need to be “Bozo the cocky clown” around women.
They don’t have results, they aren’t married so they don’t have advice on getting a wife/LTRs and they want you to pay them for what’s apparently easy and obvious.
They’re implicitly mocking your intellect with that alone.
Its about having a positive view of women which enables a person to establish a healthy relationships and not holding any misogynistic views towards women (don’t get me wrong, there are some women out there that are bitches etc). What a lot of guys don’t understand is that women are not the enemy, but rather the beliefs they hold about women, its doubt that is the enemy in their minds.
Women aren’t stupid animals where you recite a magic spell of magic words and their legs open.
It’s NLP for pussy. Vagina isn’t an Aladdin’s cave. You’re embarrassing yourselves.
She isn’t flaking, she was never interested in the first place.
You aren’t ‘banging’ out of your league, or it wouldn’t be your league.
Victims of fraud have legal recourse.
Sue them. Just get together with all the other marks and file a collective lawsuit. Go public in the papers with it. You can be individually anonymous and get your bootcamp money back.
In other witty critique.
The manosphere completely ignores the findings that support this reason (if you act like a creep, you’ll be labelled and treated as a creep, because that’s exactly what you are), they’re ignoring the connection to entitlement, a similar issue in rapefugees with Eve Teasing and Taharrush, who think they can go around forcing their various body parts on random women purely because these evil women tempted them with their attractiveness (sure, it starts with cornering them and using hands, cos that alone isn’t creepy…), ignoring all this connection because they’re bluepill pussies who can’t handle a truth that triggers doubt over their worldview, so I thought I’d post this one early. Note how they also ignored the finding of what women DO want? (Gentlemen). I guess their red pills must be suppositories.
As for the bitching about ‘Creep shaming’, it exists about as much as fat shaming (only works on fat people), because they must be basing it on something you did.
As promised and this was originally based on;
A heady dose of desperation in there too.
“In fact, because they don’t live with the same omnipresent threat that women do, they’re frequently offended by the idea that it’s their behavior that creeps girls out.”
10/10 truth, because as we know from SJWs, if you’re offended, you must be in the right!
How dare an adult be held morally and legally responsible for their action! They talk a big game about alpha but they don’t really wanna be held to the standard, do they? It begs the question, how many of their ‘false’ rape accusations are really false? Are they honestly retarded enough to think a judge will fall for “Yeah I isolated her from her friends and assaulted her when she told me to ‘fuck off’, and stalked her round the club, insisted she come back to mine but said an innocent reason, tried to force myself on her after plying with alcohol because she owes me, drinks are expensive, she said No clearly multiple times, but she didn’t really mean it, cos this guy online said it was OK to keep pushing through Last Minute Resistance and not use a condom even though I have STDs from fucking around like this, she froze in fear and cried after, she totally wanted this alpha cock. I’m not a rapist, how dare you falsely accuse me?”
They literally can’t be that dumb, I refuse to believe it.
Don’t wanna be called a creep? Don’t be creepy. Don’t wanna be accused of rape? Don’t force a sexual act against the will of the other party (the act of coercion). It’s almost as if they haven’t read the local laws and solipsistic-ally think they’re above them (that could never happen to me! I’m too smooth! I’d never really force a woman, also, choking isn’t physical abuse and attempted murder, it’s foreplay), this ignorance of how warped they are and ignorant of the criminal law they often discuss without researching (!) is something I frequently mock PUAs for ignoring until it bites them on the ass, at which point the enforcement system is working, despite their pathetic mewls of victimhood. Do the crime, do the time, bitches. What they fail to mention in those cases is that rapists get accused too. Being accused doesn’t make you innocent, in fact, the odds drop significantly. Few victims come forward as is.
Moral of this: never trust a man who excuses his actions with ‘really’ e.g. really rape, real victim. He meets the definition, he did the thing and he’s trying to pick around it and excuse it (scum).
Most violent crimes are committed by men. This is a hatefact to the manosphere. We don’t walk down dark alleys or swear at gangs either. This type mock our precautions, while blaming us when some crime is committed (you can take all the precaution in the world, but criminals gonna commit crimes, it’s the criminal’s fault). They refuse to blame the male for his own actions, they don’t really believe a man can be creepy (potential rapist) or a ‘real’ rapist. They excuse the criminal’s behaviour based on their sex, there must be some ‘reasonable’ explanation, in the same vein that feminists excuse female borderlines when they attack partners (hey men, why not take the precaution of never dating a borderline? why put yourself in that situation if you didn’t secretly want it?).
Stranger danger exists beyond childhood, and if you’re approaching a stranger, whatever your sex, you need to make it clear you have no expectations to pressure them with, because the nature of walking up to someone is primitvely an attack and causes an instinctive defensive reaction.
“Leaving your hand on a girl for too long – even in a neutral place like the shoulder or middle of the arm – will read as though you’re claiming possession of her… or worse, that you’re going to drag her off somewhere.”
Ask yourself: is this what a rapist would do? Would a rapist establish physical contact to lead a girl down a dark alley, to his place after she’s too weak from intoxication to know what’s going on? Then why are you engaging in the process a rapist would take? Oh, you claim to care about consent, that it’s consensual? Then why ignore it multiple times? She steps away, you ignore it. Creep XP +10. She says to leave her alone, you disrespect it. Creep XP+20. She says No, you force it anyway. Creep XP+100, unless you’re forcing ‘sex’, which isn’t sex, it’s called rape. Those are the actions of a rapist. Defamation means creepy is a politer code for “this person is enacting the rapist script, danger, avoid”.
Modern women don’t want cavemen.
“Jokes about rape, abduction, physical assault or murder are off the table. Period.”
Yes, some of these self-important Casanova wannabes do that. Remember, Casanova died alone.
Don’t speak to a woman like a man down the pub. Ask yourself, what would a rapist say and do right now? And never do that. This isn’t rocket science, you are legally and socially culpable for your actions and words.
“Creepy guys will stick around long past the time when they were supposed to leave.”
The desperation of men who say they don’t need women, and treat a No as a Maybe.
“Most women are socially conditioned not to give offense or hurt men’s feelings and so they’ll rarely break off a conversation directly.”
If we are polite, we are ‘friendly’ and it’s an invitation to keep pestering us. If we are friendly, we are ‘flirting’ and a
‘tease’ who ‘owes’ you sex. If we are honest to save time, we are ‘rude’ stuck-up bitches. Socially, men are idiots. Everytime a woman hears the insult “you’re so rude” from a man, we can’t help but laugh, because they don’t even know what they did wrong. Naturally, pointing out what they did (educating them, the opposite of mansplaining) gets you call rude and possibly a know-it-all. Oh, how terrible, knowing things! Knowing social manners an adult should be expected to know and abide! What a disgrace to womankind, to know etiquette! To correct a man with the manners of a monkey! Does he feel ‘offended’ too? Was I supposed to stand here like his sex doll and waste my time listening to the random detritus of society lying because he feels entitled to my attention and thinks I’m stupid enough to fall for it? Literally, any insults shot at a woman along the lines of rude or crass or variations of ‘not womanly’ or ladylike are like the fat chicks who say they didn’t want that thin man anyway, he was too skinny. The ‘rude’ woman, to these morons, is simply being honest. The same bluntness they beg women to demonstrate in comments (why can’t women say what they mean? why can they be honest? – you insult us for it?), so they can fix what they’re doing wrong. The only thing they wanna fix is the outcome, they get sex whatever the woman herself thinks, ding ding rape charges. They can hardly call her wrong for noting his mistake. As an aside, women shouldn’t be grateful for male attention. Considering their frequent base motivations, it’s more of an insult (to assume she would be interested in servicing his lust). In a First World country, people are supposed to be nice to one another, socially. It doesn’t earn you anything.
See what happens when entitled men don’t get the reaction they expect.
Mantrums. Grown men throwing a wobbly like a toddler. ……Sexy……so alpha.….
Creep isn’t about male status, although lower class men are more likely to be creeps (and less likely to be gentlemen).
Creepiness is about personal danger and manipulation. In an individualist society where women are responsible for our own safety, we will be hypervigilant about creeps. Don’t like it? You’re probably a creep.
My advice to women? The immature boys among them will turn if you don’t give them an Out, a means to save face. Something like Thanks for the offer, at least you tried.
However, rudeness is always an option, and a viable acceptable one, if nothing less will work from the perspective of verbal self-defense. Guys, would you rather be hit for touching a random woman or told to fuck off? What does it matter if she’s single, that doesn’t make her available, she still doesn’t want you, that’s the only meaningful fact.
Respecting boundaries is easy for those with a decent upbringing and while I have sympathy for boys who grew up without father figures, as an adult, there is no excuse for ignorance. These guys wouldn’t go up and touch a stranger’s car, but they’d touch the owner’s wife? How damaged have we become as a society to think that’s the way round it should be?
This comment is wise;
“Women are the ones who know what they find threatening. If a man puts them off for whatever reason, that is a valid reason. A woman always has a right to her opinion of a suitor.”
As in traffic law with the right of way, women have the Right of Rejection. Creepiness ignores a woman’s right to her body, her space and her own opinions (gaslighting manipulation). You cannot turn a No into a Yes. That’s called coercion and it obviates consent.
Sexual predators in our culture try to pass themselves off as harmless to lure their prey. In our culture, that means Nice Guy geeks, who are normally lazy and trying to pass off insecurity as introversion, narcissism as art.
A woman is either interested or not. Attraction is not a negotiation. Approaching her will have no bearing on this, because you’re still the same person in both conditions. You approach to find out which one aka there is no way to engineer (manipulate, creep alert) the situation from a No into a Yes. People who promise you this magic cheat code to vagina (no care for the person attached) always line their pockets with your cash, because mind control could be put to better use by those with the secrets and allow them to take over the world. You’ve been conned as much as the guy who thinks he’s buying secrets to ‘game‘ the stock market.
That you want a woman who 1. doesn’t want you, 2. knowing she doesn’t want you, 3. yet continuing to push and force it, is the motivation of a predator, that’s why we respond like it. Want real advice you’ll never hear from ‘nerdy men’?
As far as relationship entitlement, they (a lot of geeks) expect the world while giving only their company (selective). They want a homemaker, cooking, cleaning and being the maid, the actions of a houseWIFE, but never giving the woman the security of marriage. They want financial equality though, which translates as being a drain because his hobbies are more expensive. They want the sex of a whore, and the variety without paying for it, romance is forced and must be nagged to be given in exchange. They seem to think emotional ignorance is masculine and refuse to admit women have valid needs too. They have a trail of exes they describe as confused, while unable to place why they broke up but unable to keep just one (I guess they’re all broken). Socially, they humiliate their women and fail to see a problem, blaming her high standards. In return, they want a sexualised version of their mothers, who couldn’t abandon them, no matter how immature and brattish they got. They see marriage as Game Over, you can stop trying now, put zero effort into the marriage and whine when they get divorced because apparently the woman lied to him when she told him what he failed to provide, giving multiple opportunities to address it. But he’s old-fashioned, right?
In these matters of the heart, actions are louder than words. If you fail to behave correctly, things will go ‘wrong’.
I don’t remember the good old days when men abandoned their women and failed in every conceivable way AS men in their gender role, but alright. What entitlement, right? Why aren’t the ladies swarming him? Ladies, not those whores he wants sex from. Ladies, who will act like whores for some reason, as if he’s the protagonist in a video game, prove he’s special to himself. Gentlemen? Those don’t exist anymore, he bitches. It’s unreasonable to hold him to that standard.
Women are people, not puzzles. What you see as brave persistence, a judge will see as a restraining order. Keep trying and trying, and you are a creep. There are no social respawns.
Women owe you nothing. Rejection is a fact of life.
Men owe you nothing either. Professional rejection happens too.
Pedants are trying to win big status points (whataboutism, yes BUT…, appeal to exception, appeal to anecdote). Someone responding socially to pedantry with rational counterarguments is humouring you in the hopes you’ll move on, not endorsing the methods. As in, a woman isn’t biting when she talks back, she’s trying to form a negative impression so you’ll leave. Unfortunately, these desperate losers see any kind of female attention, however negative, as encouragement and ideological endorsement. (I have written about the unfalsifiability of Shit Tests, everything rationalized as positive signs of attraction -very autiste-, and how No doesn’t really exist to these guys, it doesn’t penetrate their thick skulls, so how the hell are we meant to get you to leave, what other word is there? And you wonder why women ‘flake’, finally act on their disgust and disinterest because you didn’t actually pick up on the feminine social cues like you thought, leaving you confused). Studies have shown men assume sexual interest where there is none, even disgust. Does the redpill lot care? Nope. It doesn’t confirm their beliefs so it must be wrong.
Affection isn’t based on charity or pity. Brush up your skills, bring something else to the table or GTFO. Dogs are nicer and elicit more sympathy than all humans, we don’t wanna sleep with them either. I’ve seen men so out of touch with reality show me pictures of them holding puppies thinking it will change my mind and make me fancy them. No. No no no no. Anymore than if I were to show you a picture of me holding a baby, you’d suddenly and immediately want me to be the mother of your children. That’s psychotic, people aren’t that dumb.
“But he’s so nice” other men say, well, in that case, you fuck him, dude. If you think he’s so nice, you fuck him yourself.
Don’t try to pimp out women with guilt, we all know those Nice Guys are 100% judging on appearance when they approach us, aka, they are nasty, they’re shallow pricks. We’re simply judging by the same superficial standard.
Genuine niceness doesn’t come with expectations and conditions.
Women don’t stay with jerks and men don’t stay with bitches (unless both parties are, you deserve each other). If you want to become the SO and you’re jealous of them, they must be good people to admire, watch what they bring to the table and develop it for the next potential date. Don’t confuse an In spite of, with a causal Because of. For example, hot women can afford to be bitches, but bitchy women are not hot.
Tantrums are for children.
A final redflag: they argue with your OPINION.
Das gaslighting. Run, don’t walk.
Don’t be like Chucky Lopez, who writes;
“Cold approaches from a stranger are NOT identically equal to predatory behaviour.”
Walking up to a total stranger and trying to control their behaviour, dominate them according to your desires is exactly what a predator does. Sexual predators and con artists do exactly that, to extract something by force and take it for their own kick.
Ted Bundy played the Nice Guy and he cold-approached with a plaster cast. Do you think women don’t have these stories in the back of our minds when you act the same? He was handsome and creepy and crazy. It wasn’t an excuse. Note how even those who endorse it agree they are similar? The men who argue and moan and whine are actually trying to steal the feminine gender role of establishing social contact.
Historically, women have the Right to Approach men, clubs alone break this rule (sometimes) and shouldn’t (women have legs and we can use them). IOIs are actually recognition that women establish social contact (looking and smiling, waving, introducing ourselves).
Non-predatory socializing, by contrast, is introduced, via mutual friends, who attest to reputation. We live in a low-trust society and predators taking advantage of what used to be excusable faux pas (speaking to someone without introduction) has made it unacceptable. Women actually set the tone in engaging men socially, something men conveniently ‘forget’. A woman in a high trust society could speak to a random man, but not the other way around.
You are not entitled to socialize with a woman and force her attention and waste her time, as social circles are the Woman’s Domain, we have the social power and the social-emotional intelligence to boot. We outrank you here.
Why do you think the hostess receives visitors and makes introductions? By slighting our role in this and taking our singular social choice away, they disrespect us in public, while choosing to view it as a good sign of his strength (pigheadedness). They’re abolishing age-old gender roles, like a feminist.
Fun fact: the word “immorality”, the original meaning as used in previous centuries was a polite term for sexual immorality and promiscuity. As in, promiscuous people have no valid opinions on immorality. Ask a druggie about legalization. Dopamine highs, man. Sluts are by definition immoral. There was no other kind of immorality, like the feminists have tried to distinguish. Only religious failures of chastity, that applied to men too e.g. no adultery.
That’s exactly what they’re like.
inb4 butthurt: boys, not men
I love the projection involved in ‘rude’. Similar thing with crass or unladylike.
…And requesting free porn on demand from a non-sex worker is….?
All the hallmarks of a PUA, including the over-reliance on drinking spots.
Man seduces woman, woman publicly shames him.
Sounds fair, actually. Even the r-selected are turning, slowly. It’s always the women who shift first.
Seduction laws will be brought back in soon enough and there’s no deadline on criminal prosecutions (no sexism either). I hope the PUAs have a savings account for all the lawyers they’ll need (name and other identity fraud will make it worse, as previously covered).
The best part is that, by PUA theory, it wasn’t harassment at all (and so he can’t legally claim that) because she was doing him a favour. AMOGing over local men and a severe DHV as a player. She might as well have written “Serial Seducer” above his name and photo.
Her reputation management would help her. His ‘shame’ would simultaneously protect K-women, who are forewarned, and attract the sluts. Gossip is totally legal and it isn’t defamation if it’s true, he has no legal recourse whatsoever.
Comparing it to violent rape is pretty cheap but this woman is r-selected (Tinder) turning K, what do you expect in transition?
Seduction and its modern equivalent, rape-by-fraud are considered in many ways practically similar anyway (legally, coercion vitiates consent).
For those who dispute the existence of conditional consent, we have seen it already in the manosphere: consider that consent is always conditional between two parties. As a social contract. For example, a heterosexual man’s consent is conditional on his partner’s biological sex as female. Hence, a deceptive transsexual raped him. If it applies to men in dresses, it applies to men without.
I was pondering what all this time and supposed secret knowledge allows the average male to obtain.
It seems that if they’re really onto something they should be able to play and keep out of their own SMV league.
Yet when you look for PUAs who settled and/or married, the women are generally… average? I don’t mean this in a bad way, I’m sure they’re lovely people, but considering the heartless emphasis these guys have placed on physical appearance, it doesn’t make sense. Can’t they keep a ‘hottie’?
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That last one is Paul Janka, aka the only attractive PUA I’ve ever seen. He looks like a model, easily a 9 himself, and wouldn’t you know it, bagged a woman of similar attractiveness. And she’s English. *high 5*
You would expect such assortative mating purely based on chance, so what does their ‘game’ really get you? I don’t see the results, frankly. He has an interview up where he says this;
“Game teaches men to screen for sluttiness in women to find girls who are going to give us a blowjob in the next 45 minutes, but you need another filter to screen for character for marriage and for the mother of your children. The screening techniques of game are antithetical for screening for a mate.”
So far, so obvious. K-women won’t fall for that.
“And I think for a man to be successful at life he should recognise his youthful erotic nature, but as he ages he should transition into a more respectful relationship with a woman that perhaps resembles more what he has with his mother. Men who fail to do that might be cut off at the knees.”
aka die alone, as the bitches in the comment section attacked him for.
Convenient how they expect the Right Woman to ignore their background like a beta cuck marrying a former porn star. Why would a K-selected woman accept you given your former behaviour and animosity toward her sex (a game is adversarial)? A mother’s love is unconditional. You are no Oedipus. I think he’s giving average-looking guys unreasonable expectations there.