The manosphere completely ignores the findings that support this reason (if you act like a creep, you’ll be labelled and treated as a creep, because that’s exactly what you are), they’re ignoring the connection to entitlement, a similar issue in rapefugees with Eve Teasing and Taharrush, who think they can go around forcing their various body parts on random women purely because these evil women tempted them with their attractiveness (sure, it starts with cornering them and using hands, cos that alone isn’t creepy…), ignoring all this connection because they’re bluepill pussies who can’t handle a truth that triggers doubt over their worldview, so I thought I’d post this one early. Note how they also ignored the finding of what women DO want? (Gentlemen). I guess their red pills must be suppositories.
As for the bitching about ‘Creep shaming’, it exists about as much as fat shaming (only works on fat people), because they must be basing it on something you did.
As promised and this was originally based on;
A heady dose of desperation in there too.
“In fact, because they don’t live with the same omnipresent threat that women do, they’re frequently offended by the idea that it’s their behavior that creeps girls out.”
10/10 truth, because as we know from SJWs, if you’re offended, you must be in the right!
How dare an adult be held morally and legally responsible for their action! They talk a big game about alpha but they don’t really wanna be held to the standard, do they? It begs the question, how many of their ‘false’ rape accusations are really false? Are they honestly retarded enough to think a judge will fall for “Yeah I isolated her from her friends and assaulted her when she told me to ‘fuck off’, and stalked her round the club, insisted she come back to mine but said an innocent reason, tried to force myself on her after plying with alcohol because she owes me, drinks are expensive, she said No clearly multiple times, but she didn’t really mean it, cos this guy online said it was OK to keep pushing through Last Minute Resistance and not use a condom even though I have STDs from fucking around like this, she froze in fear and cried after, she totally wanted this alpha cock. I’m not a rapist, how dare you falsely accuse me?”
They literally can’t be that dumb, I refuse to believe it.
Don’t wanna be called a creep? Don’t be creepy. Don’t wanna be accused of rape? Don’t force a sexual act against the will of the other party (the act of coercion). It’s almost as if they haven’t read the local laws and solipsistic-ally think they’re above them (that could never happen to me! I’m too smooth! I’d never really force a woman, also, choking isn’t physical abuse and attempted murder, it’s foreplay), this ignorance of how warped they are and ignorant of the criminal law they often discuss without researching (!) is something I frequently mock PUAs for ignoring until it bites them on the ass, at which point the enforcement system is working, despite their pathetic mewls of victimhood. Do the crime, do the time, bitches. What they fail to mention in those cases is that rapists get accused too. Being accused doesn’t make you innocent, in fact, the odds drop significantly. Few victims come forward as is.
Moral of this: never trust a man who excuses his actions with ‘really’ e.g. really rape, real victim. He meets the definition, he did the thing and he’s trying to pick around it and excuse it (scum).
Most violent crimes are committed by men. This is a hatefact to the manosphere. We don’t walk down dark alleys or swear at gangs either. This type mock our precautions, while blaming us when some crime is committed (you can take all the precaution in the world, but criminals gonna commit crimes, it’s the criminal’s fault). They refuse to blame the male for his own actions, they don’t really believe a man can be creepy (potential rapist) or a ‘real’ rapist. They excuse the criminal’s behaviour based on their sex, there must be some ‘reasonable’ explanation, in the same vein that feminists excuse female borderlines when they attack partners (hey men, why not take the precaution of never dating a borderline? why put yourself in that situation if you didn’t secretly want it?).
Stranger danger exists beyond childhood, and if you’re approaching a stranger, whatever your sex, you need to make it clear you have no expectations to pressure them with, because the nature of walking up to someone is primitvely an attack and causes an instinctive defensive reaction.
“Leaving your hand on a girl for too long – even in a neutral place like the shoulder or middle of the arm – will read as though you’re claiming possession of her… or worse, that you’re going to drag her off somewhere.”
Ask yourself: is this what a rapist would do? Would a rapist establish physical contact to lead a girl down a dark alley, to his place after she’s too weak from intoxication to know what’s going on? Then why are you engaging in the process a rapist would take? Oh, you claim to care about consent, that it’s consensual? Then why ignore it multiple times? She steps away, you ignore it. Creep XP +10. She says to leave her alone, you disrespect it. Creep XP+20. She says No, you force it anyway. Creep XP+100, unless you’re forcing ‘sex’, which isn’t sex, it’s called rape. Those are the actions of a rapist. Defamation means creepy is a politer code for “this person is enacting the rapist script, danger, avoid”.
Modern women don’t want cavemen.
“Jokes about rape, abduction, physical assault or murder are off the table. Period.”
Yes, some of these self-important Casanova wannabes do that. Remember, Casanova died alone.
Don’t speak to a woman like a man down the pub. Ask yourself, what would a rapist say and do right now? And never do that. This isn’t rocket science, you are legally and socially culpable for your actions and words.
“Creepy guys will stick around long past the time when they were supposed to leave.”
The desperation of men who say they don’t need women, and treat a No as a Maybe.
“Most women are socially conditioned not to give offense or hurt men’s feelings and so they’ll rarely break off a conversation directly.”
If we are polite, we are ‘friendly’ and it’s an invitation to keep pestering us. If we are friendly, we are ‘flirting’ and a
‘tease’ who ‘owes’ you sex. If we are honest to save time, we are ‘rude’ stuck-up bitches. Socially, men are idiots. Everytime a woman hears the insult “you’re so rude” from a man, we can’t help but laugh, because they don’t even know what they did wrong. Naturally, pointing out what they did (educating them, the opposite of mansplaining) gets you call rude and possibly a know-it-all. Oh, how terrible, knowing things! Knowing social manners an adult should be expected to know and abide! What a disgrace to womankind, to know etiquette! To correct a man with the manners of a monkey! Does he feel ‘offended’ too? Was I supposed to stand here like his sex doll and waste my time listening to the random detritus of society lying because he feels entitled to my attention and thinks I’m stupid enough to fall for it? Literally, any insults shot at a woman along the lines of rude or crass or variations of ‘not womanly’ or ladylike are like the fat chicks who say they didn’t want that thin man anyway, he was too skinny. The ‘rude’ woman, to these morons, is simply being honest. The same bluntness they beg women to demonstrate in comments (why can’t women say what they mean? why can they be honest? – you insult us for it?), so they can fix what they’re doing wrong. The only thing they wanna fix is the outcome, they get sex whatever the woman herself thinks, ding ding rape charges. They can hardly call her wrong for noting his mistake. As an aside, women shouldn’t be grateful for male attention. Considering their frequent base motivations, it’s more of an insult (to assume she would be interested in servicing his lust). In a First World country, people are supposed to be nice to one another, socially. It doesn’t earn you anything.
See what happens when entitled men don’t get the reaction they expect.
Mantrums. Grown men throwing a wobbly like a toddler. ……Sexy……so alpha.….
Creep isn’t about male status, although lower class men are more likely to be creeps (and less likely to be gentlemen).
Creepiness is about personal danger and manipulation. In an individualist society where women are responsible for our own safety, we will be hypervigilant about creeps. Don’t like it? You’re probably a creep.
My advice to women? The immature boys among them will turn if you don’t give them an Out, a means to save face. Something like Thanks for the offer, at least you tried.
However, rudeness is always an option, and a viable acceptable one, if nothing less will work from the perspective of verbal self-defense. Guys, would you rather be hit for touching a random woman or told to fuck off? What does it matter if she’s single, that doesn’t make her available, she still doesn’t want you, that’s the only meaningful fact.
Respecting boundaries is easy for those with a decent upbringing and while I have sympathy for boys who grew up without father figures, as an adult, there is no excuse for ignorance. These guys wouldn’t go up and touch a stranger’s car, but they’d touch the owner’s wife? How damaged have we become as a society to think that’s the way round it should be?
This comment is wise;
“Women are the ones who know what they find threatening. If a man puts them off for whatever reason, that is a valid reason. A woman always has a right to her opinion of a suitor.”
As in traffic law with the right of way, women have the Right of Rejection. Creepiness ignores a woman’s right to her body, her space and her own opinions (gaslighting manipulation). You cannot turn a No into a Yes. That’s called coercion and it obviates consent.
Sexual predators in our culture try to pass themselves off as harmless to lure their prey. In our culture, that means Nice Guy geeks, who are normally lazy and trying to pass off insecurity as introversion, narcissism as art.
A woman is either interested or not. Attraction is not a negotiation. Approaching her will have no bearing on this, because you’re still the same person in both conditions. You approach to find out which one aka there is no way to engineer (manipulate, creep alert) the situation from a No into a Yes. People who promise you this magic cheat code to vagina (no care for the person attached) always line their pockets with your cash, because mind control could be put to better use by those with the secrets and allow them to take over the world. You’ve been conned as much as the guy who thinks he’s buying secrets to ‘game‘ the stock market.
That you want a woman who 1. doesn’t want you, 2. knowing she doesn’t want you, 3. yet continuing to push and force it, is the motivation of a predator, that’s why we respond like it. Want real advice you’ll never hear from ‘nerdy men’?
As far as relationship entitlement, they (a lot of geeks) expect the world while giving only their company (selective). They want a homemaker, cooking, cleaning and being the maid, the actions of a houseWIFE, but never giving the woman the security of marriage. They want financial equality though, which translates as being a drain because his hobbies are more expensive. They want the sex of a whore, and the variety without paying for it, romance is forced and must be nagged to be given in exchange. They seem to think emotional ignorance is masculine and refuse to admit women have valid needs too. They have a trail of exes they describe as confused, while unable to place why they broke up but unable to keep just one (I guess they’re all broken). Socially, they humiliate their women and fail to see a problem, blaming her high standards. In return, they want a sexualised version of their mothers, who couldn’t abandon them, no matter how immature and brattish they got. They see marriage as Game Over, you can stop trying now, put zero effort into the marriage and whine when they get divorced because apparently the woman lied to him when she told him what he failed to provide, giving multiple opportunities to address it. But he’s old-fashioned, right?
In these matters of the heart, actions are louder than words. If you fail to behave correctly, things will go ‘wrong’.
I don’t remember the good old days when men abandoned their women and failed in every conceivable way AS men in their gender role, but alright. What entitlement, right? Why aren’t the ladies swarming him? Ladies, not those whores he wants sex from. Ladies, who will act like whores for some reason, as if he’s the protagonist in a video game, prove he’s special to himself. Gentlemen? Those don’t exist anymore, he bitches. It’s unreasonable to hold him to that standard.
Women are people, not puzzles. What you see as brave persistence, a judge will see as a restraining order. Keep trying and trying, and you are a creep. There are no social respawns.
Women owe you nothing. Rejection is a fact of life.
Men owe you nothing either. Professional rejection happens too.
Pedants are trying to win big status points (whataboutism, yes BUT…, appeal to exception, appeal to anecdote). Someone responding socially to pedantry with rational counterarguments is humouring you in the hopes you’ll move on, not endorsing the methods. As in, a woman isn’t biting when she talks back, she’s trying to form a negative impression so you’ll leave. Unfortunately, these desperate losers see any kind of female attention, however negative, as encouragement and ideological endorsement. (I have written about the unfalsifiability of Shit Tests, everything rationalized as positive signs of attraction -very autiste-, and how No doesn’t really exist to these guys, it doesn’t penetrate their thick skulls, so how the hell are we meant to get you to leave, what other word is there? And you wonder why women ‘flake’, finally act on their disgust and disinterest because you didn’t actually pick up on the feminine social cues like you thought, leaving you confused). Studies have shown men assume sexual interest where there is none, even disgust. Does the redpill lot care? Nope. It doesn’t confirm their beliefs so it must be wrong.
Affection isn’t based on charity or pity. Brush up your skills, bring something else to the table or GTFO. Dogs are nicer and elicit more sympathy than all humans, we don’t wanna sleep with them either. I’ve seen men so out of touch with reality show me pictures of them holding puppies thinking it will change my mind and make me fancy them. No. No no no no. Anymore than if I were to show you a picture of me holding a baby, you’d suddenly and immediately want me to be the mother of your children. That’s psychotic, people aren’t that dumb.
“But he’s so nice” other men say, well, in that case, you fuck him, dude. If you think he’s so nice, you fuck him yourself.
Don’t try to pimp out women with guilt, we all know those Nice Guys are 100% judging on appearance when they approach us, aka, they are nasty, they’re shallow pricks. We’re simply judging by the same superficial standard.
Genuine niceness doesn’t come with expectations and conditions.
Women don’t stay with jerks and men don’t stay with bitches (unless both parties are, you deserve each other). If you want to become the SO and you’re jealous of them, they must be good people to admire, watch what they bring to the table and develop it for the next potential date. Don’t confuse an In spite of, with a causal Because of. For example, hot women can afford to be bitches, but bitchy women are not hot.
Tantrums are for children.
A final redflag: they argue with your OPINION.
Das gaslighting. Run, don’t walk.
Don’t be like Chucky Lopez, who writes;
“Cold approaches from a stranger are NOT identically equal to predatory behaviour.”
Walking up to a total stranger and trying to control their behaviour, dominate them according to your desires is exactly what a predator does. Sexual predators and con artists do exactly that, to extract something by force and take it for their own kick.
Ted Bundy played the Nice Guy and he cold-approached with a plaster cast. Do you think women don’t have these stories in the back of our minds when you act the same? He was handsome and creepy and crazy. It wasn’t an excuse. Note how even those who endorse it agree they are similar? The men who argue and moan and whine are actually trying to steal the feminine gender role of establishing social contact.
Historically, women have the Right to Approach men, clubs alone break this rule (sometimes) and shouldn’t (women have legs and we can use them). IOIs are actually recognition that women establish social contact (looking and smiling, waving, introducing ourselves).
Non-predatory socializing, by contrast, is introduced, via mutual friends, who attest to reputation. We live in a low-trust society and predators taking advantage of what used to be excusable faux pas (speaking to someone without introduction) has made it unacceptable. Women actually set the tone in engaging men socially, something men conveniently ‘forget’. A woman in a high trust society could speak to a random man, but not the other way around.
You are not entitled to socialize with a woman and force her attention and waste her time, as social circles are the Woman’s Domain, we have the social power and the social-emotional intelligence to boot. We outrank you here.
Why do you think the hostess receives visitors and makes introductions? By slighting our role in this and taking our singular social choice away, they disrespect us in public, while choosing to view it as a good sign of his strength (pigheadedness). They’re abolishing age-old gender roles, like a feminist.
Fun fact: the word “immorality”, the original meaning as used in previous centuries was a polite term for sexual immorality and promiscuity. As in, promiscuous people have no valid opinions on immorality. Ask a druggie about legalization. Dopamine highs, man. Sluts are by definition immoral. There was no other kind of immorality, like the feminists have tried to distinguish. Only religious failures of chastity, that applied to men too e.g. no adultery.