Sexual rejection should be illegal

https://old.reddit.com/r/NotHowGirlsWork/comments/8ft0je/female_sexual_freedom_was_a_mistake/

There should be a bingo chart with Spot the R-type.

That would be on it.

I might make one.

What would go in the other squares?

Something like this.

They’d even feel entitled to rape a lesbian or a celibate nun. African levels of rape. That post actually endorses the low IQ concept of “corrective rape”. To an r, all types of failure are to the shame of the world, never to them.

Who wants to point out that only men have rape fantasies?
Women only ever fantasize about men/women and situations they want, (and both parties want) therefore = not rape. What is called a rape fantasy in women is just a normal level of sexual desire, shamed. They don’t fantasize about taking an unwilling man, either. Exception: pedophiles.

Consensual roleplay is not rape?

They control everything, therefore, not hapless victim (and neither is the man in the fantasy). Neither party is hurt or disturbed by trauma. That’s quite normal desire between spouses. Potent, raw and found in the best marriages.

It’s Christian chastity. What do they think to have and to hold means? Those feelings are God-given and intended for a spouse.

Male Entitlement and Creepiness

The manosphere completely ignores the findings that support this reason (if you act like a creep, you’ll be labelled and treated as a creep, because that’s exactly what you are), they’re ignoring the connection to entitlement, a similar issue in rapefugees with Eve Teasing and Taharrush, who think they can go around forcing their various body parts on random women purely because these evil women tempted them with their attractiveness (sure, it starts with cornering them and using hands, cos that alone isn’t creepy…), ignoring all this connection because they’re bluepill pussies who can’t handle a truth that triggers doubt over their worldview, so I thought I’d post this one early. Note how they also ignored the finding of what women DO want? (Gentlemen). I guess their red pills must be suppositories.

As for the bitching about ‘Creep shaming’, it exists about as much as fat shaming (only works on fat people), because they must be basing it on something you did. 

As promised and this was originally based on;
http://www.doctornerdlove.com/2011/12/dont-be-a-creeper/all/1/
A heady dose of desperation in there too.

“In fact, because they don’t live with the same omnipresent threat that women do, they’re frequently offended by the idea that it’s their behavior that creeps girls out.”

sherlock bbc cracking up lol laughing so hard

10/10 truth, because as we know from SJWs, if you’re offended, you must be in the right!
How dare an adult be held morally and legally responsible for their action! They talk a big game about alpha but they don’t really wanna be held to the standard, do they? It begs the question, how many of their ‘false’ rape accusations are really false? Are they honestly retarded enough to think a judge will fall for “Yeah I isolated her from her friends and assaulted her when she told me to ‘fuck off’, and stalked her round the club, insisted she come back to mine but said an innocent reason, tried to force myself on her after plying with alcohol because she owes me, drinks are expensive, she said No clearly multiple times, but she didn’t really mean it, cos this guy online said it was OK to keep pushing through Last Minute Resistance and not use a condom even though I have STDs from fucking around like this, she froze in fear and cried after, she totally wanted this alpha cock. I’m not a rapist, how dare you falsely accuse me?

They literally can’t be that dumb, I refuse to believe it.
Don’t wanna be called a creep? Don’t be creepy. Don’t wanna be accused of rape? Don’t force a sexual act against the will of the other party (the act of coercion). It’s almost as if they haven’t read the local laws and solipsistic-ally think they’re above them (that could never happen to me! I’m too smooth! I’d never really force a woman, also, choking isn’t physical abuse and attempted murder, it’s foreplay), this ignorance of how warped they are and ignorant of the criminal law they often discuss without researching (!) is something I frequently mock PUAs for ignoring until it bites them on the ass, at which point the enforcement system is working, despite their pathetic mewls of victimhood. Do the crime, do the time, bitches. What they fail to mention in those cases is that rapists get accused too. Being accused doesn’t make you innocent, in fact, the odds drop significantly. Few victims come forward as is.

Moral of this: never trust a man who excuses his actions with ‘really’ e.g. really rape, real victim. He meets the definition, he did the thing and he’s trying to pick around it and excuse it (scum).

Most violent crimes are committed by men. This is a hatefact to the manosphere. We don’t walk down dark alleys or swear at gangs either. This type mock our precautions, while blaming us when some crime is committed (you can take all the precaution in the world, but criminals gonna commit crimes, it’s the criminal’s fault). They refuse to blame the male for his own actions, they don’t really believe a man can be creepy (potential rapist) or a ‘real’ rapist. They excuse the criminal’s behaviour based on their sex, there must be some ‘reasonable’ explanation, in the same vein that feminists excuse female borderlines when they attack partners (hey men, why not take the precaution of never dating a borderline? why put yourself in that situation if you didn’t secretly want it?).

Stranger danger exists beyond childhood, and if you’re approaching a stranger, whatever your sex, you need to make it clear you have no expectations to pressure them with, because the nature of walking up to someone is primitvely an attack and causes an instinctive defensive reaction.

“Leaving your hand on a girl for too long – even in a neutral place like the shoulder or middle of the arm – will read as though you’re claiming possession of her… or worse, that you’re going to drag her off somewhere.”

Ask yourself: is this what a rapist would do? Would a rapist establish physical contact to lead a girl down a dark alley, to his place after she’s too weak from intoxication to know what’s going on? Then why are you engaging in the process a rapist would take? Oh, you claim to care about consent, that it’s consensual? Then why ignore it multiple times? She steps away, you ignore it. Creep XP +10. She says to leave her alone, you disrespect it. Creep XP+20. She says No, you force it anyway. Creep XP+100, unless you’re forcing ‘sex’, which isn’t sex, it’s called rape. Those are the actions of a rapist. Defamation means creepy is a politer code for “this person is enacting the rapist script, danger, avoid”.

Modern women don’t want cavemen.

“Jokes about rape, abduction, physical assault or murder are off the table. Period.”

Yes, some of these self-important Casanova wannabes do that. Remember, Casanova died alone.
Don’t speak to a woman like a man down the pub. Ask yourself, what would a rapist say and do right now? And never do that. This isn’t rocket science, you are legally and socially culpable for your actions and words.

“Creepy guys will stick around long past the time when they were supposed to leave.”

The desperation of men who say they don’t need women, and treat a No as a Maybe.

“Most women are socially conditioned not to give offense or hurt men’s feelings and so they’ll rarely break off a conversation directly.”

If we are polite, we are ‘friendly’ and it’s an invitation to keep pestering us. If we are friendly, we are ‘flirting’ and a
‘tease’ who ‘owes’ you sex. If we are honest to save time, we are ‘rude’ stuck-up bitches. Socially, men are idiots. Everytime a woman hears the insult “you’re so rude” from a man, we can’t help but laugh, because they don’t even know what they did wrong. Naturally, pointing out what they did (educating them, the opposite of mansplaining) gets you call rude and possibly a know-it-all. Oh, how terrible, knowing things! Knowing social manners an adult should be expected to know and abide! What a disgrace to womankind, to know etiquette! To correct a man with the manners of a monkey! Does he feel ‘offended’ too? Was I supposed to stand here like his sex doll and waste my time listening to the random detritus of society lying because he feels entitled to my attention and thinks I’m stupid enough to fall for it? Literally, any insults shot at a woman along the lines of rude or crass or variations of ‘not womanly’ or ladylike are like the fat chicks who say they didn’t want that thin man anyway, he was too skinny. The ‘rude’ woman, to these morons, is simply being honest. The same bluntness they beg women to demonstrate in comments (why can’t women say what they mean? why can they be honest? – you insult us for it?), so they can fix what they’re doing wrong. The only thing they wanna fix is the outcome, they get sex whatever the woman herself thinks, ding ding rape charges. They can hardly call her wrong for noting his mistake. As an aside, women shouldn’t be grateful for male attention. Considering their frequent base motivations, it’s more of an insult (to assume she would be interested in servicing his lust). In a First World country, people are supposed to be nice to one another, socially. It doesn’t earn you anything.

See what happens when entitled men don’t get the reaction they expect.
elitedaily.com/dating/when-guys-expect-sex-and-dont-get-it/1450462/
Mantrums. Grown men throwing a wobbly like a toddler. ……Sexy……so alpha.….

Creep isn’t about male status, although lower class men are more likely to be creeps (and less likely to be gentlemen).
Creepiness is about personal danger and manipulation. In an individualist society where women are responsible for our own safety, we will be hypervigilant about creeps. Don’t like it? You’re probably a creep.
My advice to women? The immature boys among them will turn if you don’t give them an Out, a means to save face. Something like Thanks for the offer, at least you tried.
However, rudeness is always an option, and a viable acceptable one, if nothing less will work from the perspective of verbal self-defense. Guys, would you rather be hit for touching a random woman or told to fuck off? What does it matter if she’s single, that doesn’t make her available, she still doesn’t want you, that’s the only meaningful fact.
Respecting boundaries is easy for those with a decent upbringing and while I have sympathy for boys who grew up without father figures, as an adult, there is no excuse for ignorance. These guys wouldn’t go up and touch a stranger’s car, but they’d touch the owner’s wife? How damaged have we become as a society to think that’s the way round it should be?

This comment is wise;
Women are the ones who know what they find threatening. If a man puts them off for whatever reason, that is a valid reason. A woman always has a right to her opinion of a suitor.”

As in traffic law with the right of way, women have the Right of Rejection. Creepiness ignores a woman’s right to her body, her space and her own opinions (gaslighting manipulation). You cannot turn a No into a Yes. That’s called coercion and it obviates consent. 

Sexual predators in our culture try to pass themselves off as harmless to lure their prey. In our culture, that means Nice Guy geeks, who are normally lazy and trying to pass off insecurity as introversion, narcissism as art.
A woman is either interested or not. Attraction is not a negotiation. Approaching her will have no bearing on this, because you’re still the same person in both conditions. You approach to find out which one aka there is no way to engineer (manipulate, creep alert) the situation from a No into a Yes. People who promise you this magic cheat code to vagina (no care for the person attached) always line their pockets with your cash, because mind control could be put to better use by those with the secrets and allow them to take over the world. You’ve been conned as much as the guy who thinks he’s buying secrets to ‘game‘ the stock market.
That you want a woman who 1. doesn’t want you, 2. knowing she doesn’t want you, 3. yet continuing to push and force it, is the motivation of a predator, that’s why we respond like it. Want real advice you’ll never hear from ‘nerdy men’?
As far as relationship entitlement, they (a lot of geeks) expect the world while giving only their company (selective). They want a homemaker, cooking, cleaning and being the maid, the actions of a houseWIFE, but never giving the woman the security of marriage. They want financial equality though, which translates as being a drain because his hobbies are more expensive. They want the sex of a whore, and the variety without paying for it, romance is forced and must be nagged to be given in exchange. They seem to think emotional ignorance is masculine and refuse to admit women have valid needs too. They have a trail of exes they describe as confused, while unable to place why they broke up but unable to keep just one (I guess they’re all broken). Socially, they humiliate their women and fail to see a problem, blaming her high standards. In return, they want a sexualised version of their mothers, who couldn’t abandon them, no matter how immature and brattish they got. They see marriage as Game Over, you can stop trying now, put zero effort into the marriage and whine when they get divorced because apparently the woman lied to him when she told him what he failed to provide, giving multiple opportunities to address it. But he’s old-fashioned, right?
In these matters of the heart, actions are louder than words. If you fail to behave correctly, things will go ‘wrong’.
I don’t remember the good old days when men abandoned their women and failed in every conceivable way AS men in their gender role, but alright. What entitlement, right? Why aren’t the ladies swarming him? Ladies, not those whores he wants sex from. Ladies, who will act like whores for some reason, as if he’s the protagonist in a video game, prove he’s special to himself. Gentlemen? Those don’t exist anymore, he bitches. It’s unreasonable to hold him to that standard.
Women are people, not puzzles. What you see as brave persistence, a judge will see as a restraining order. Keep trying and trying, and you are a creep. There are no social respawns.
Women owe you nothing. Rejection is a fact of life.
Men owe you nothing either. Professional rejection happens too.
Pedants are trying to win big status points (whataboutism, yes BUT…, appeal to exception, appeal to anecdote). Someone responding socially to pedantry with rational counterarguments is humouring you in the hopes you’ll move on, not endorsing the methods. As in, a woman isn’t biting when she talks back, she’s trying to form a negative impression so you’ll leave. Unfortunately, these desperate losers see any kind of female attention, however negative, as encouragement and ideological endorsement. (I have written about the unfalsifiability of Shit Tests, everything rationalized as positive signs of attraction -very autiste-, and how No doesn’t really exist to these guys, it doesn’t penetrate their thick skulls, so how the hell are we meant to get you to leave, what other word is there? And you wonder why women ‘flake’, finally  act on their disgust and disinterest because you didn’t actually pick up on the feminine social cues like you thought, leaving you confused). Studies have shown men assume sexual interest where there is none, even disgust. Does the redpill lot care? Nope. It doesn’t confirm their beliefs so it must be wrong.
Affection isn’t based on charity or pity. Brush up your skills, bring something else to the table or GTFO. Dogs are nicer and elicit more sympathy than all humans, we don’t wanna sleep with them either. I’ve seen men so out of touch with reality show me pictures of them holding puppies thinking it will change my mind and make me fancy them. No. No no no no. Anymore than if I were to show you a picture of me holding a baby, you’d suddenly and immediately want me to be the mother of your children. That’s psychotic, people aren’t that dumb.
“But he’s so nice” other men say, well, in that case, you fuck him, dude. If you think he’s so nice, you fuck him yourself.
Don’t try to pimp out women with guilt, we all know those Nice Guys are 100% judging on appearance when they approach us, aka, they are nasty, they’re shallow pricks. We’re simply judging by the same superficial standard.

Genuine niceness doesn’t come with expectations and conditions. 

Women don’t stay with jerks and men don’t stay with bitches (unless both parties are, you deserve each other). If you want to become the SO and you’re jealous of them, they must be good people to admire, watch what they bring to the table and develop it for the next potential date. Don’t confuse an In spite of, with a causal Because of. For example, hot women can afford to be bitches, but bitchy women are not hot.

Tantrums are for children.

A final redflag: they argue with your OPINION.
Das gaslighting. Run, don’t walk.
Don’t be like Chucky Lopez, who writes;
“Cold approaches from a stranger are NOT identically equal to predatory behaviour.”
Walking up to a total stranger and trying to control their behaviour, dominate them according to your desires is exactly what a predator does. Sexual predators and con artists do exactly that, to extract something by force and take it for their own kick.
Ted Bundy played the Nice Guy and he cold-approached with a plaster cast. Do you think women don’t have these stories in the back of our minds when you act the same? He was handsome and creepy and crazy. It wasn’t an excuse. Note how even those who endorse it agree they are similar? The men who argue and moan and whine are actually trying to steal the feminine gender role of establishing social contact.

Historically, women have the Right to Approach men, clubs alone break this rule (sometimes) and shouldn’t (women have legs and we can use them). IOIs are actually recognition that women establish social contact (looking and smiling, waving, introducing ourselves).

Non-predatory socializing, by contrast, is introduced, via mutual friends, who attest to reputation. We live in a low-trust society and predators taking advantage of what used to be excusable faux pas (speaking to someone without introduction) has made it unacceptable. Women actually set the tone in engaging men socially, something men conveniently ‘forget’. A woman in a high trust society could speak to a random man, but not the other way around.

You are not entitled to socialize with a woman and force her attention and waste her time, as social circles are the Woman’s Domain, we have the social power and the social-emotional intelligence to boot. We outrank you here.
Why do you think the hostess receives visitors and makes introductions? By slighting our role in this and taking our singular social choice away, they disrespect us in public, while choosing to view it as a good sign of his strength (pigheadedness). They’re abolishing age-old gender roles, like a feminist.

Fun fact: the word “immorality”, the original meaning as used in previous centuries was a polite term for sexual immorality and promiscuity. As in, promiscuous people have no valid opinions on immorality. Ask a druggie about legalization. Dopamine highs, man. Sluts are by definition immoral. There was no other kind of immorality, like the feminists have tried to distinguish. Only religious failures of chastity, that applied to men too e.g. no adultery.

Attraction/repulsion cues vary less between sexes than r/K

hookingupsmart.com/2016/01/27/relationshipstrategies/sexes-share-the-same-relationship-delabreakers/

dealbreakers vary minimally between sexes, and much more between short-term vs. long-term mating strategies. The research comprises six studies and over 6,500 single Americans.

just getting that now rlly slow on the uptake moriarty

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I wonder who gets rejected by the LT strategists?

The rare times feminists hit on the truth

I wanted to give them a fair hearing. It’s like a tiny grain of sand within the pearl of lies. This refreshing collection took a while to add up.
I like to think of these as Original Feminists, back when they had standards that everyone held to.

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THANK YOU.
Honestly folks, it’s that simple. The person committing the crime is the criminal! The innocent person is the victim!
FINALLY.
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The term comes from a guy who wanted to fuck his own mother so badly he assumed every other man in the world must too. Mummy Issues is a thing as much as Daddy Issues. Same for penis envy and womb envy, it’s two sides of the same coin. If one is valid, so is the other.

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What often goes unmentioned is the reason for being gradual about it. The pure vitriol women get for putting down a gamma or lower upfront. Another aspect is how romantic relationships are not owed to anyone, and the bitchy type often lie in the beginning about their intentions (like some FWB women), amping up the friend element and leading into “we’re such good friends” and trying to segue into a girlfriend situation. As if we’re stupid.

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Irony that it took a man to point this out.

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It’s never ‘just a drink’. They think they’re buying you. Like a sex slave.
And they think you’re cheap.

At least whores are paid in cash, market rate, based on time and services rendered.
Hook-up culture is just hooker culture, fooling itself.

catcalling

The intended purpose is to make you feel bad because they know you’re out of their league. They know they don’t have a realistic chance so it’s like long-distance negging to prop up their delusions of alpha maleness. Those aren’t men, they act like teenagers. As if feeling SMV-inferior around someone is an excuse to verbally abuse them, they don’t dare pull that on other blokes at the bar or start on women walking with men, weaklings. It came from black culture and it’s hostile there too.
On the flipside, sex attackers often start with a catcall to test the intended victim, to get her to stop, come over here out of public sight, tell him your name so he can stalk you or they get a simple thrill from making a woman fear them, however temporary. The best thing you can do is ignore them or laugh, and that’s why so many women wear headphones nowadays. You don’t give strangers compliments, ever. Women aren’t dumb enough on the whole to try but desperate men think it’s fair game to judge while they’re standing in the street like losers and in addition, they think it makes them look less desperate for any female attention (no).

Solution? If you must express appreciation, a simple, single wolf-whistle.
That’s it. No words. No words are needed and you’ll screw it up.

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Literally me. Turns out they still blamed it on white men. For letting them in?

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There is no continuum or scale. It’s have or have not.
Sex is consensual. Without it, that’s the crime of rape. Whatever the sex of the initiator, I might add.

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There is a responsibility on men to know the difference between assertive and aggressive.
Former is romantic, latter is illegal (test: would you try those actions on a man who could physically equal you?).

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They rape women in hijabs. They raped women in petticoats. That’s like saying never buy anything nice and expensive in case you get mugged or burgled, it’s no way to live. This is the First World and we all have the right to show skin (including topless men) without being stoned to death. The responsibility for self-control lies with the tempted party. Feral males need to stop blaming women for their own weaknesses. Note: women groping stranger men is also wrong, the other side of Eve Teasing.

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Happened a lot during those days. Happens to this day when people have the excuse of alcohol (in studies, people act drunk with placebo drinks). They retain responsibility for their actions (including drinking within their limits) if they’re sober enough to enact them in the first place. Sober enough to do it? Sober enough to know better. Grabbing and kissing someone who isn’t interested ain’t right. Being in a club isn’t an excuse either, you wouldn’t be able to behave like that in a brothel ffs.

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Men can handle rejection as time saved. Boys take it personally.
Men have more experience of interpersonal rejection than women, usually. However, they also have more interpersonal opportunities as the approaching party.

means out of your league

I’ve heard some lower status men dispute the existence of leagues.
The veiled term men use for a woman out of their league is ‘high maintenance’, among others.

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Includes all belief, including political.
from the “You can’t call her Bruce!” pronoun people

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Men say they’d be totally fine about male objectification until it happens.
Then they point and shriek like banshees because it makes them feel insecure…..
….. and how do you think we feel?

Get over it, like we do. Woman up. Stop taking it so personally. We probably aren’t comparing you to underwear models, because let’s face it, you’d lose.

takingitpersonal

Another stellar example of “You’re proving our point for us.”

We predict you’ll do XYZ when we use the male trigger word ‘misogyny’ in any context.

*XYZ happens*

Told ya so. 

Quit being so bloody predictable, if you didn’t feed them with instances of trolling or insults, they’d fizzle out and get real jobs.

Misogyny has recently made otherwise sensible men a laughing stock in the public eye, it practically makes them foam at the mouth whatever the bones of the argument being discussed. They lose it. Aren’t they meant to be the rational ones, as they claim?

The supposed ‘Shit Test’ from a female perspective

I’m going to try and make this brief barring the legal (illegal) stuff. There was a very good rebuttal on the topic from an intelligent man.
The people who believe in this, they’re full of shit. They believe in it because it boosts their insecure ego. They want to believe it, or they’re the dickhead bothering random women who secretly hate them. You know, the objective stance of the antisocial interaction.

well doctor

Men over-call Shit Tests to mean practically anytime a woman talks to him, for his own ego.

what he says: “Did you see that? She was totally Shit-Testing me!
what he thinks it means: “Did you see that? The girl I had to approach was attracted to me, too!”
actual translation: Did you see that? I bothered a complete stranger in public because she has a pair of tits and it totally pissed her off!

A small legal detour

Even a “No, fuck off” in retort is seen as a Shit Test by these wankers, and they call you a bitch to boot (which has a predictable effect on what you think of them as a person). I don’t even like to swear at strangers and I have to do this most of the time because anything less, and they won’t leave me alone. They’re like an sperg who can’t tell you’re bored when your eyes glaze over, without the excuse of mental problems. They refuse to take the rejection for their ego and just leave, like it’s a hostage negotiation. Literally, with the questioning tactics (like ignoring answers you dislike) and physically stopping you from leaving, it might legally count as that. It’s like they’ve picked up flirting tips from Twilight and think persistence will always get the girl to change her mind.
The actual police aren’t even allowed to stop and search me for no reason, and you think it’s acceptable for you to not only stop me, but start with the sexual touching (that’s what kino is, sexual touching, legally speaking)? Good luck defending that in court. That’s the way to get kicked in the balls and totally deserve it under self-defense law. This kino stuff only applies to Americans in America I think, because I’ve seen blokes in Europe given police warnings for that unwarranted touching bullshit. I’ve also seen women get in trouble for it too, especially on hen nights. The street is not a club and even in clubs you can get kicked out – for being a creep. You can’t touch girls at strip clubs even, unless the girl offers, which is a whole different thing (not kino because she’s already interested and actively made an offer). When we call you entitled because you knowingly intrude on physical boundaries, we’re right. You can also get done on recent public order offenses as well as common assault (and they’ll have CCTV to prove you were intentionally doing this to God knows how many women):
http://www.cps.gov.uk/legal/p_to_r/public_order_offences/
and those can get you put in the drunk tank without being drunk! It can go on your record back home.
I’ve had men block alleys (England is full of alleys between little streets) practically threatening me for my name (to look up online) and number (oh sure, I wanted to date those guys, they wouldn’t exactly get worse as time went on and didn’t seem like woman-beaters at all….). Best part? All the crazy ones indulged in a wonderful bout of projection after I continued to reject them despite their menace by sulking off and calling me crazy! I checked around and this happens all the time with that type. This is why the No Means No campaign exists and men in the manosphere don’t get to complain about it, since we’re being honest, just like you wanted? You aren’t on the receiving end and needing to say No and be taken seriously for your own personal safety. These are the same creeps who say when a woman says No, she ‘doesn’t really mean it‘ but if a man says No to a girl he means it 100% of the time (lolwut legal equality) – the compulsive lying only applies to the female crazies I mention at the end, a strict minority, and the exact same men wonder why they’re deservedly up on rape charges later, where this is exactly how it will play out;

Judge: “Did she say No at any point?”
Rapist: “Yes but she didn’t mean it…”
Judge, thinking: WTF you raping bastard I have the consent law right here in a room behind me
Judge, speaking later“Guilty on this! *gavel* Guilty on that! *gavel* Guilty on everything I can use!” *gavel*

and they complain about women being deluded….
The rape law targets predatory men like this, who only want women for one thing (whether the woman wants it too), because a verbal word is supposed to be taken as truthful (like women are adults or something).
http://www.cps.gov.uk/legal/p_to_r/rape_and_sexual_offences/
When a woman says a thing, it’s equal to men, so legally, she means it 100%. It might fly on a forum as a joke but you will end up in prison if you believe it. Good technicality: if her word No means nothing to you, why do you seek a Yes?

Also under consent, is this;

Whether he or she was in a position to make that choice freely, and was not constrained in any way….

Stopping women in the street on CCTV will look dodgy to a jury. Like a predator.

Lack of consent may be demonstrated by;

Evidence that the complainant was deceived as to the identity of the person with whom (s)he had intercourse.

So PUAs are fucked in England, basically. One of many reasons I think Roosh hated London.

“It would plainly be open to a jury to hold that if AA had made clear that she would only consent to sexual intercourse if Mr Assange used a condom, then there would be no consent if, without her consent, he did not use a condom, or removed or tore the condom ….. His conduct in having sexual intercourse without a condom in circumstances where she had made clear she would only have sexual intercourse if he used a condom would therefore amount to an offence under the Sexual Offences Act 2003….”

Really fucked, anywhere in the UK.

The same guy who’s now telling non-Americans to film all the sex they have, despite how European data and information law is so stringent post-hacking that the penalty can be life imprisonment, far longer than real rape, ironically:
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I recommend that from this point on you strongly consider recording casual sexual encounters with a hidden camera.

Filming someone without their consent in Europe is a better way of ruining your life than a rape accusation. You can be up on literal terror charges. Especially when you say “Roosh said” in your legal defense, that won’t get you in the papers at all. It can actually change the regular consensual sex they have into rape – because they didn’t consent to that (all acts). Anything less than all acts? = Legal rape. It also comes under ‘conditional consent’ like the condom thing above. She didn’t agree to make porn, which is also a job and you didn’t pay her or get a model release either (things they have to do in actual porn). It’s illegal all the way down and makes me want to facepalm. When it comes back to bite them, they’ll blame feminists for their own stupid actions and ignorance of the law.
It rests on a stupid misunderstanding of the law involved. Nothing in the rape law says a woman can’t enjoy it, for a horrific fact that some poor, rare women have clinically orgasmed against their will while being raped, for the same reason as men can sustain an erection or ejaculate when being raped (motor function). I already covered in a post on day game just HOW illegal it is to film someone in public in London, so resting on that as legal defense regarding intimacy is abysmally stupid, but imagine how much worse it is when you have an entire library of blackmail material (how a judge will see it).
Posters won’t matter either. Nobody believes posters, unless they’re Government signs (the Keep Calm… joke was based on this). If you think that will help instead of make you look like you had intention to film her and use it –I describe you, you hate me. Really, you hate yourself and everyone knows it.

Final word on how backward this is;

http://www.theguardian.com/society/2015/jun/10/34-year-old-man-first-person-to-be-convicted-under-forced-marriage-laws

This is who you’d get lumped in with. It hinges on use of a hidden camera. It’s treated like filming someone in a public toilet – still illegal, still creepy, still getting you in the papers and ruining your life.

Back off the legal track, which needed saying

No actually means Fuck Off from a woman in a polite society. We have a culture of understatement. We couldn’t put that on the big red buses.

The way we think about it is like this: when you meet a stranger, you’re at your best. If that’s the best impression you can make, we’ll pass, even if you had the looks to scrape past. It’s like that average-looking girl with a major attitude problem who’s just too much hassle, and when all the local blokes have had a go, she complains why she doesn’t have a boyfriend. You’re the male version of that (she talked to me but she didn’t ___).

It’s irritating. Attractive women get approached all the time, and we all know it’s based on looks because you know approximately fuck-all about us except looks, so we also know you’re shallow and insinuating you think we might be a whore down for instant sex because you tried it on in the first place (or else why bother). That’s part of the reason for the supposed Bitch Shield, this selective shield that isn’t supposed to apply to a single entitled man, you’re supposed to worship for *gasp!* talking to you, omg thank you! but is supposed to apply to the 99 guys before him that he never saw or met. At least some of whom were better-looking and not entitled, a winning combination in either sex.

I hope this tosser lives long enough to die in a riot without a pension

This is about 1000x worse in a polite society, like England. Where Americans think it’s okay to just walk up to you and tell you their name and life story, because you happen to be in the same place as them at the same time. You have no right to my time as I have no right to yours. Anything less is entitled. I can walk away without a word or flip you the bird going ‘ew no’ and it doesn’t make me a bitch because you started it. If you think it’s just the women and there’s something wrong with us, try doing the exact same thing to the average Englishman and you’ll have a funny A&E story.

You know that age when kids learn a word and they babble it endlessly for months? That’s a guy who just read about Shit Tests. It’s apophenia, the human tendency to upgrade attention to a thing and seek patterns where in reality, there are none. Jesus isn’t in your toast.

You’re being treated like an arsehole, because you’re acting like one. Accost random men on the street in suits (male equiv. to a short skirt) and see if the treatment is ‘bitch’-based.

What we say: “Excuse me?”
What we mean: “Why is this creep talking to me?”

Attraction is not a negotiation. Yet Game purports to teach men how to change a woman’s mind.

Reminds me of this joke;

If her bra and underwear match when you take her clothes off, you’re not the one who decided to have sex.

The one who can say stop has the control. The one who cares less. Men should know women care less about sex in general.

If you walk up to me and start talking, I’m not throwing you a Shit Test in reply. I’m trying to make you go away because I’m not interested. You already knew this, because you had to walk up to me. I have legs. I could’ve asked you for the time (classic English opener) if I wanted to talk to you. In a polite society, the women are the ones with the opener power, never the men (to avoid this very problem since we chucked chaperons) so you’re in my country, you didn’t bother to learn the local rules or worst still, you don’t even care, and you’ve intruded on the transport time we base our schedules on to insult me as a person (see above, in thinking I might be a whore).

You’re a prick. A woman may never say it to your face, but we’ll be telling our next appointment: “Sorry I was late, some prick started talking to me right there in the street!” To which most people, including a lot of men will reply: “What a creep.” Because we know the rules. Your personal opinions of harassment won’t change our culture.

white male opinions do the creep

When you act like a creep, you ARE a creep.
Making up terms to make your public harassment look like Playing Hard to Get doesn’t change the external appearance to everyone else. Or the police.

This is a major issue between applying American game like it works the same anywhere else. The American culture doesn’t cross over, mostly because America doesn’t have one. The republican war saw to that. There are major class issues I won’t go into, the UK is the most class-ridden place in the world, so some American lumpenprole approaching a decent girl (working class honest to middle class pampered to upper class totty) is seen as loathsome, like a peasant asking a member of the Royal Family to hold their drink. No, we are not equal, and you’re foreign, we don’t even like the French. The cold response is not the fault of the person being approached nor confined to women. The men can actually be worse for this, the women might try and be polite at first and dummies often take this to be an IOI, get worse, and finally she has to drop the pretense at politeness.

If you’re standing around like these day game pricks looking for women to approach, guess what: we can see you, too. Usually about halfway down the road, often rubbing their hands because it’s so bloody cold, which can be quite funny given why they’re there. When everyone else is moving and one shifty looking bloke is eyeing up all the young women, it doesn’t take a genius to know what type of bloke he is and we will try to avoid you like one of those leaflet or survey people. If we’re zoned out and you still bother us, you don’t get to complain about an abrupt answer or fake number, because when you begin an interaction, you’ve already become the rude party. Whatever we say after is perfectly acceptable on etiquette grounds, like matching insults in an argument. I don’t think I can overstate what a social violation this totally public approach is, and considering these guys go on about rapport, I should say this makes the average non-American girl very uncomfortable. This is why recent iterations have told men to have some kind of excuse, because it gets a girl talking, sure, but that doesn’t change the binary fact of whether or not she is interested. You’ll have the exact same success rate, but it will seem like it was working and you ‘lost it’ – when you never had it. 

You are not exempt from call time. Pay attention.

Overall, it makes the girls more averse to tourists. Especially Asian tourists (the core demo of PUA is Asian men with White Fever). Ofc, the complaint racism comes in like the whiny bitches they are, which makes them more attractive /sarc, when it’s actually the men who are racist, by only wanting white women (get your own), intruding on our country like it’s a brothel and assuming we’re all whores (if that were true, porn wouldn’t exist).

Now, some men will rightly say: but there are women who play games. Total headcases.

Yes, there are.

With one tell —

But those are the same women who approach you.

To establish control. And because the etiquette allows them to.

If a woman is trying to let you know she isn’t interested (backing off, I’m busy, no thanks, excuses, the what? face), you can’t complain about the headcases who play games and bemoan “where are the honest women”?

Rejection is good, it stops everyone from wasting their time. Take the hint and GTFO.

And if you’re only attracted to the women who play games (as many in PUA are), it’s no wonder your opinion of women in general is so low. You only want the crazies.

And if Shit Tests ever did exist, they are used by men (you might know it as provoking a hamstering) – and are also applied to other men (see: banter) for fun.

The Manosphere is not as Shallow as You Think, or Girls, Don’t Stress Out About Your Looks

Problem being, if you have the looks where you get approached with paid modelling offers (real photographers), you tend to get a bitch shield because the other men approaching are either 1. creeps who have no sense of boundary or rudeness who might actually be rapists or 2. PUAs pretending to have the same ignorance of boundaries to build kino (assault) and fake rapport (repulsive).

Both only want one thing and it has nothing to do with a sweet personality, that’s why all women above a certain level are said to be bitches by these men, they don’t understand it’s situation dependent. We can smell that desperation like a shark smells blood and being rude makes them go away and stop wasting our time as quickly as possible, and who cares what they think because they’re rude to begin with?
The looks/personality thing is a trite dichotomy designed to make ugly people feel better, model-level people are really sweet in my experience…. as long as you aren’t trying to use them. This is crucial. It’s like a rich man is attuned to gold diggers. It’s fair to protect and guard your best asset.

It’s a laughable Demonstration of Lower Value when various men complain about women being ‘cold’ or having a bitch shield. Usually this is because they stupidly decided to neg her and she matched his bitchy tone. It isn’t a ‘test’. She’s giving you shit because she wants you to leave her alone. You interrupted her finite time and you aren’t even being nice about it. That alone merits rudeness. They assume this rejection (that’s what it is) happens to all men in all situations (meanwhile the real Alphas are laughing at them) and it comes down to a huge Fundamental Attribution Error. 

I like to explain it to men thus: imagine if women were the approaching sex and crazy Lindy West-alikes kept stalking you, verbally antagonizing you to get a rise, and physically assaulting you under the pretense that you must be interested because you must be a slut (as a hot person)? You’d be rude too.