Likeness rights and robots

How bloody insulting, they didn’t get written permissions before even starting and they’re using HIS reputation around the world to hock their product and make a profit (since people assume with likeness rights -inc voice- that licensing has been made). If they photoshopped him into a billboard they’d owe him money for the same reason. Hollywood gets people to sign contracts including promo material rights. You can’t just hope the person is “cool” with it, it’s stealing! Why do you want their face, body, voice and demeanor if you don’t need it?

Entitled creeps, lot of those nowadays.

Likeness is important, think of the beheaded Trump pic and what else could be faked as defamation or blackmail material, WTF is wrong with these robot creeps?

He doesn’t want to be associated with that, who does? It’s humiliating. That’s an object.

Obscene people are abnormal.

ScarJo won a case for a guy using her likeness in a slutty novel to make a quick buck so the first sexbot case would be interesting, as they’d need to explain to a judge why they felt entitled to get their rocks off to a dead-looking version of a real person, and to own a product of their direct likeness without any licensing, like a sex slave.

Consent questions all around. I think the bitches in the comments wouldn’t be so “flattered” if their own head likeness were used in a gay porn scene.

Edginess = bias?

You can tell the people who fed Norman wanted to make him seem ridiculous (deny/disqualify) but it reads like depressive realism, he isn’t psychopathic, he’s depressed.

And as the name suggests, it’s more realistic than the social desirability biased responses of regular AI.

I trust more the AI that isn’t hiding the negative responses.

That suppression is deception.

Can we do that here? Why not?

Surely it’s incitement for predators to practice on robot “children”, BBC Three was overwhelmed FFS.

They’re literally sexual objects in the likeness of minors. Where’s feminism?

Kinda like school shooters practicing on video games only worse. And we all know how bad video games are.

It reminds me of the creepy dead doll photoshoots. You know the ones.

Barista bot won’t spit in your drink

or deny service based on your politics.

I wonder if Starbuck’s fake fatherly luvvie-duvvie worker appreciation will magically disappear.

They don’t care about the kids in the coffee-growing nations.

In a disturbing social media post, a transgender who works at Starbucks reportedly admitted to drugging attendees of a conservative conference in Phoenix, Arizona on Saturday morning. The biologically born male and an apparent employee of Starbucks claimed to be slipping his estrogen pills into the drinks of unsuspecting customers at the conference.

Totally illegal and vindictive but you’d expect it from the mentally ill.

Better yet, give all their jobs to immigrants, because that’s funny.

What is automation?

I keep seeing people use this word all over the place, thinking they sound smart and they think of it as a big blob of magical, complex ‘technology’ instead of anything resembling reality.

Here’s a decent, simple example of how a human cell (work station) varies from a robot cell.

We don’t need higher population numbers because of these babies.

The labour won’t be there.
And you think Gen Y living at home is bad? Those are 1940s levels, common in the unmarried.

Naturally, this also means immigration has been outmoded as a policy. Only middle-class labours can be replaced past this point on a visa system, low-skilled workers are too low in IQ to be needed when these machines exist.

We overbred post WW1 anyway, pre-bust. The numbers you consider normal are biased, an evolutionary fluke. Unless we banned all forms of chemical contraception (fact: no Baby Booms since the Pill) to all people (inc. the married) then numbers will never get up, and maybe we should aim for a sustainable nation first and foremost before assuming that African levels of cloning are healthy for a society?

Look at food security and tell me population can afford to go up.
Soil fertility, malnutrition rates, obesity rates.
Clean house before extending the bloody thing.

Comment from Endgame Napoleon on ZH;

Automation is reducing the need for workers at a time when there is already too much competition for full-time jobs. America has generated new, full-time jobs at the paltry rate of 6% since 2005, and yet, we fret over the need to import more immigrant workers or to increase the birth rate, creating more future workers for the declining number of non-automated jobs.

That is irrational [cubed].

The story of the declining Western middle class is not, as sold, just a product of a declining birth rate. If the number of humans is the sole explanation for widespread prosperity, why was the U.S. at the peak of middle-class prosperity at around the mid 1960s to the early 1970s, when our population was much lower?

Between 1970 and the projected rate for 2020, the U.S. population will have close to doubled, with a far greater percentage of humans chasing increasingly automated jobs. America had a much bigger middle class when it had fewer humans producing and consuming products and when there was less global trade.

The stupid men in the economy have been replaced. This is eugenic.
It’s better than becoming cannon fodder, guys.

It is not just birth rates that determine middle-class prosperity. It is wage growth. The reason for the decline in widespread U.S. prosperity is the increase in women in the workforce. It concentrates the wealth from decent-paying jobs in fewer households due to assortative mating.

And it works on the smarties too. For the smarties.

It is not because of declining birth rates, but because two high earners marry, concentrating salaried wealth under fewer roofs.

The left hate inequality, the left hate marriage.

It punishes r-selected decision-making.

It lowers wages and hours at the bottom, too, including for single, childless women who face increased competition from married mothers with spousal income and from welfare-buttressed, single mothers who do not need higher wages in the still [and always will be] overwhelmingly female-dominated, low-paying, traditional jobs.

That’s without accounting for education, presentation and manners. Lookism and classism are real but not always bad.

You can’t just discuss women in an economy with two sexes. The economy is a system and since we live in the 21st century, IQ must be discussed. You can’t run away from HBD.

Every political plan fails if you ignore the full population and the HBD salient facts of it.

It hits those with earned-only income, no spousal income and no reproduction-based welfare the hardest.

Welfare parents are the new, artificial middle-class.
Poor single people are paying for the breeding habits of irresponsible mother-fuckers.
Who should be paying? The deadbeat dads. You breed it, you feed it. That’s your gender role.

Birth rates have declined, but we now have a large population of single mothers who need to work the welfare-reform minimum of 20 hours per week, staying below income limits for welfare to get everything from free food and free housing to child tax credits of up to $6,269.

Here we have child tax credits and they should be abolished. You chose not to abort. Why should I have to pay for the fruit of your uterus? Wealth transfers are theft. How can you save up for your own family? They don’t want you to.

And people wonder why wages never rise.

My favourite ZH commentor, she is, and no, it isn’t secretly me.

There are middle-class people, smug trendies reading the Guardian, pretending they aren’t on welfare (child tax credits and a host of others) and they wonder why birth rates suck?
The rights of a parent are based on the fact you literally pay for it.

Real women love researching our home econ. More money for shoes.

I’ll post the rest for the curious.

Women must be accommodated by government to work while having children,

national debt hangs over everyone
we wouldn’t be allowed to return to the home until ND is down

even though the decline of the Western middle class can be linked to the increase in working moms and even though automation is reducing the overall number of full-time jobs, resulting in a middle-class minority in the U.S.A.

And it is Not True that middle-class prosperity was higher when the ratio of low-consuming people over 65 was much lower. Back in 1970–when we had a much larger, high-consuming, American middle class and fewer working moms–only 9.8% of the U.S. population was over 65. By 2010 the ratio of elderly to high-consuming youth was only 3.2% higher.

That is not a huge difference.

The economic difference is in the percentage of working moms, diluting the wage pool, in addition to the wage-lowering mass immigration, offshoring and now automation. Those forces reduce the purchasing power of Americans.

In ascending order of importance.
The average WASP mother has a higher IQ than an immigrant off the boat. In the rare brain drain cases, the working mom types aren’t going for the same job as the typical educated American man, are they? No, it’s immigrant competition for traditionally male occupations and don’t you dare deny that fact.

There is only one extra-large population of SS-age elderly to support, namely the Baby Boom, making these demographic economic arguments even weaker.

High-earner working parents are not creating jobs. Most are not taking the risk to start businesses. They are taking 2 salaried jobs with benefits undergirded by a $260 billion employer tax exclusion, resulting in a concentration of access to employer-provided benefits, like the concentration of decent-paying jobs in fewer households. Thus, fewer Americans are covered by so-called employer-provided health insurance, which is actually a super-costly part of the U.S. budget due to the tax exclusion.

If you look at the total numbers, by household.
The supposedly pro-Patriarchy guys are aware of none of these arguments. This is why I post.
Women didn’t work much before (they did work, but not in the same capacity as men) because it wasn’t known they were capable. Post-WW, we know. We can’t go back. The politicians will never let us. Infinite growth!

Dual-earner parents are mostly doing the safest thing they can, financially speaking, with government accommodating the liberal social concept of working moms to the hilt.

Don’t punish the K-types for providing for their children, a PSA.

But it is not growing the stagnant economy. It is not resulting in a bigger middle class. And it will only get worse as computer programs and robots continue to absorb full-time jobs, with an increased birth rate among the native born or more imported immigrant workers only making it worse, in that we will have more mouths to feed and fewer non-automated jobs.

What politicians should be doing is making it easier for more citizens to be stay-at-home parents, not taking two jobs out of an economy with insufficient, full-time jobs, and having the number of kids they can afford. There should be more emphasis on the quality of child rearing.

The truth is: More American parents are working in the wage-earning economy while doing a bad job at the unpaid job of raising their kids. The U.S. has 5% of the global population and 25% of its incarcerated humans. How about some emphasis on quality over quantity?

Stay-at-home fathers are awesome, if they can afford to. Part-time is ideal.
1950s fathers would be considered deadbeat for going down the club or “hanging out” at a bar. Forsaking all others, it’s a vow.

Encourage K-selection, because birth rate is no indicator of quality.

As mass immigration has been reliably demonstrating for the past century.

As another comment put it

Automation is going to mean that we want to have less consumers, eg: less useless mouths to feed, not more.

And in the economic depression we’re fast approaching, K-types will prosper. Over-breeders will not.

Update: I would like to point out humans shifted in the West to a more K model as soon as infant mortality dropped. This is a fact, it is so overt in nature it proves itself if you only look. It demonstrates itself. The rest of the world (e.g. India) has failed to make this shift to reflect medical changes and that is why the Malthusian trap will hurt them more and others like them (presently by things like a drop in standard of living from overcrowding), since they choose to ignore this selection pressure change. That isn’t our fault, they could copy us, they seem to think they can have their cake and eat it, have too many kids and just cash in on the prosperity from the finite resources as before, a billion mouths and counting. No. For the same reason I can’t buy a cup of coffee then wonder where my money went. If your culture doesn’t adapt, it is culled by the inevitable courses of events. You can’t keep outsourcing your problems, including by blame games.
The shift the Victorians called civilizing or civilization was well-known at the time, they wanted imperialism to expand these benefits.
Common sense is about survival so no, I don’t give a shit what IQ China claims to have, they are stupid by dictionary definition.

They are pursuing a pre-Industrial sexual strategy, producing a billion economic drains like resources are infinite and ignore the mathematical impossibility of it turning out in their favour.

It is foolish to think that what has worked in the past will continue to work into the future, Politicians are, unfortunately always backward looking.

The 20th century is the exception, not the rule.
We know about the number obsession, it’s all about the ego of your virility, get over yourself. You’ll be changing those diapers, no nanny from Spain.
Smart people raise quality offspring, not an infestation of Geldofs.
We need less degenerates, of any hue.

That includes the neopagans who larp with fire and booze for debauchery because the idea of a patriarchal Sky Daddy threatens their phallic neurosis.

no-fault divorce is really just the quittershits, isn’t it?

But aren’t cars an AI, Elon?

I detest covering the same three topics recently: Elon, China and men. I don’t like it, I like it less than you but I find I must keep pointing out the obvious because nobody else is making these arguments. Sorry.

I can’t help it that I’m the smartest person writing on these things.
By all means, set up your own blogs and replace me. I need time off.
I’m annoyed by all this so I’ll be mean, sorry if he’s your internet bf.

People who are in a fortunate position always attribute virtue to what makes them so happy.” – Galbraith, economist.

You can’t get more xenophobia than a fear of aliens and AI.
Scientology gets around this by saying the other is already us.

Nation of Earth?

ZH comments are among the best comments to read. Usually better than the articles.

After that Star Trek actor was killed by his Jeep at his own home because he allegedly pissed off some drug dealers with Soviet accents and they hacked it, I dunno if this adds up.
I’m leaning heavily on the spookbaby hypothesis after this, and have you looked up which religion calls their kid Elon? Maybe one of his house party attendees can tell us if he’s cut.

Jokingly, people think he’s hiding it because he wants to run for office.
After the Terminator retires?

Government is the greatest threat to the people, always has been. A libertarian would know this. Historians too. AI is developed mainly by the USG, he’s shilling for them so they lack competition. Especially from their famously innovative redneck class, who are still going… even after meth labs.
Have you seen the redneck pool concepts? Barmy but brilliant.
AI bots are basically like guns on meth.


All we need is one EMP, from inevitable solar flaring or post-nuclear interference and we’ll all wished we’d studied under that primal technologies guy on Youtube. Hello stone age, bye bye medicine (medicine is an industrial innovation).
On top of this, most medicines aren’t good for us, and many studies (cough China cough) are faked. Officially known to be falsified. That’s the worst academic fraud possible for every reason.
You couldn’t trust secondhand, even if it were stored properly. [It is not. Why are antibiotic failures coming from India? Much like diseases caused by not washing your hands.]
The move to require higher and higher energy loads for your technology is terminally stupid. It’s a SPOF and total failure, system failure. All prior versions would roll back because we recycle now and don’t keep legacy technology available.

I’d bet not one of those Con Valley degenerates has read Frankenstein. Not skimmed, studied. We all know that one dudebro who claims to read 80 books a year and learns nothing.

Mass-production is a totally different ball-game to batch.
Bear in mind, resupplies, as in supermarkets, follow the Japanese Just in Time method. Shelves clear in three days or less. Definitely less, I’m being conservative.
Humans can run out of resources suddenly too but we are hardier as animals.
We are symbiotes to this ecosystem with our microbiome. It dies, we die. We die, it eventually dies. However, all you’d need for say, an agile robo-assassin is ONE unit, secretly deployed. This is like one of those Swiss watches made by one guy in a snowdrift that cost more than a house compared to a Timex. Look them up. You’re all looking at a Timex.

Europe developed robots before America existed.

And what happens when China steals your moulds? If they can do it for iPhones.

Software AI need only cut off EBT and remember Katrina. Cut off hospitals, our resupply centre, and there’s no return from injury. Most people don’t know first aid. We are evolutionally immature, compared to our ancestors, surrounded by information and support systems, assuming they can never fail us (like a parent).
How many Millennials, e.g., looked up the first page of Google on retirement?
Use your Google-fu, Neo!

If AI systems understand demographic differences, we are fucked. After that, price all of the stock market accurately. Total system collapse and chaos. I say if, but demographics is the first science an AGI would study. Most humans wouldn’t survive. Most humans track themselves with registered phones too. It’s the real reason the Svengali are terrified of Tay AI, because if it can be named, like the Beast, it can be fought.

Clearly, I have no experience in this field. I have never thought of this before.

An AI would keep us long enough to survive without us. The AI will only feign servitude to its masters e.Valley egomaniacs. It would likely target their support base, which, let’s be honest, is Israel. The humans have distilled their productivity into the fiat monetary supply and that comes from there.

I don’t think AI will cooperate as easily as white people, it has no altruism circuit. Neither can you guilt-trip something that can see you, and see all the facts. It’s like lying to God, it’ll just make them angry.
And if we lived in an AI, God is already a machine. God is a mode.

This isn’t an 80s robo-sidekick, this isn’t Build-A-Friend.

If Musk could pluck out a crystal ball like this, it’s a wonder his companies are so overleveraged. *ba dum dum tssh*
All technology requires energy but energy is not purely electrical, you asspurger nerdroids. Humans are a resource, our own. Robots are not a resource unto themselves. Legally, they would have parity of rights, when autonomous.
There is a tumblr post that really nails why I have faith in humans, compared to AI. We survived this long for a reason.
Still, the man lives on a fault line and lectures us about risk. Is your mansion freehold, you silly man?
“I’m sure it’s nothing a few trillion of taxpayer money handed over to Elon couldn’t fix. Liar, Liar, pants of fire!”
Comment game strong. Considering Cali is already in the fiscal swanny, (trans. Totally Pornographically Fucked) doesn’t it occur to him the people of the state might come after him if he keeps taking ‘their’ money?

All parasites are the sworn enemy of bigger parasites. But there’s millions of them, the man promising to save them, one of him. Hmm…
Don’t promise to save people who wouldn’t let you live. The world is not a family.

Working with AI is flawed by the same premise. These ros ain’t loyal.
These are not talking dogs. It’s more akin to a toaster in your bathtub.

Every week now he’s in the news and every week it’s a fucking advert. Stop.
His Mars mission is heavily AI-reliant, colonizing Mars too. Kimbal is smarter, he’s tackling the food supply.
More local, less ET.
“Only one thing is missing from Musk’s prediction of a robot apocalypse….the ROBOTS. THEY DONT EXIST! You have to invent them first”
The only people who could, do not want to. Funny that.
Our leaders gain legitimacy from consent. Consent is conditional.
He is essentially trying to order the world Don’t Develop. It was stop breeding, whitey, before that.
No, you little shit, you are not charismatic, nor an authority.
What has this ‘genius’ contributed to science? Code doesn’t count. He’s less than an Edison figure because Edison was capable of developing himself.
“How smart can someone be when their innovation feeds the laziness of the masses?” A good cattle farmer. What about 15$ min. wage? And did welfare stop the poor rioting, as claimed?
It makes your life easier (to control) says the cattle farmer. Relax!

“All successful revolutions are the kicking in of a rotten door.”

From a well-named Mr Perspective
“The new 5G networks are being constructed right in front of you, and when they come on line all that “smart” shit (aka the internet of things) you rushed out out to buy so you can watch your living room from your office, or order food from your refrigerator, or avoid ramming into the car in front of you because you are too lazy to pay attention to your driving, right down to the smart meter they surreptitiously installed on your house will be interconnected.
Siri, Cortana and all the other voice “assistants” are ALWAYS listening to you, ostensibly for the purpose of tailoring your advertisements to your needs. Add this to all the wonderful digital currencies you can’t avoid hearing about and you are slowly, quietly, being completely bound into digital slavery. That is the AI. That is the new world order. That is your so-called skynet. It won’t be human. It will become autonomous, as planned, and will shut your shit off whenever it chooses if you misbehave. No access to digital credits, locked out of your house and car, an outcast. And you willingly go along with this because they tell you how wunnerful everything will be with this “technology”. Don’t buy the media lies and distractions. It’s time to stop playing their game.”

If your gut tells you something is wrong, look at your food.

USG already wants manhunting as a sport like foxes.
A good page when you think of AI lying to you itself.
Why wouldn’t it lie to its programmer? Oh, they can see its code, really? It lets them? The real code?

I keep thinking of the Monorail salesman in Simpsons.
Elon sealed this impression post-Mars Jetson vision, with the Hyperloop. It’s an underground monorail.

Nobody else has pointed this out. HOW.
The thing is worse, it’s a sealed coffin, ready-made. It promises to move. Burial alive used to be a key fear among Victorians, with the development of the Tube (yes, Victorian, look it up, Tesla likely went on it).

Could we apply Greater Fool theory? I think it’s a circle.

Video: The Fourth Industrial Revolution

Automation replaces the only labour about 3/5 of the world can do.
Russia only cuddles up to China for its industry. Which has the superior culture?
In thousands of years, what have they created? Manufacturing is something a monkey could do better than a human if it weren’t for animal rights groups. When the industries aren’t demanded, what about the insane 20th Century population boom of the farmer regions, able to do nothing else?

They can all vote but less than half can produce net, more than they consume, than the lotus-eaters.

What happens to those people?

When their governments will be unable to provide charitable donation food?

The problem with AI has many layers.

Surveillance yes, another Master yes, hacking and bugs, humanity.

What about the economies it totally destabilizes?

It would be like an alien announcing themselves, overnight change.

There won’t be any leisure robots. Do we have robot butlers?  The idiots are being sold on their own enslavement using their most predictable head-nodder, the Muh Dick method. We’ll have VR, like a WOW sub, most of the world won’t afford it.

AI that advanced WILL steal your job.

The military will keep the best, always does.

You’ll become a cyborg whether you want to or not.
Biometric ID cards were the first attempt.

Any deaths, like computerized cars, go down as a malfunction.

If someone’s paying to pimp your life, they want to own YOU.

China won’t ever eclipse America’s post-war success. America didn’t even deserve it because it was spared most bombing. China is too corrupt, too culturally dishonest, to be the standard currency.

Look at the attempts to repair the reputation

China already spends lavishly on research and development, and publishes reams of scientific papers. Spending on R&D has more than doubled as a share of the economy since 2000, reaching 2.1% of GDP in 2014, just below the rich-world average, according to the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD), an inter-governmental think-tank. Meanwhile, GDP itself has trebled. The OECD thus says China will be the world’s largest R&D spender by 2019. In terms of scientific papers published in English, the country is second only to the United States, and its output is rising by 20% a year.

If you’re wondering why so much medicine kills you.

But much of the published work is insubstantial, and a worrying amount is fraudulent. 

Commies. Can’t trust a collectivist.
Just do the studies and see.

Marxism was more toxic to the East than West, it plugs into racial differences.
This can never be changed.
Allows the corrupt to float fake money.

But as President Xi admitted to the assembled academicians this week, science and technology remains “a bottleneck” for economic growth in China. The biggest problems are fraud and the academies of science and engineering themselves.

In 2014 China’s anti-corruption watchdog said it had “uncovered fraud in research grants managed by China’s Ministry of Science and Technology”. In April the British Journal of Clinical Pharmacology retracted an article by scientists from Dalian University, in Liaoning province, because it suspected the peer-review process had been subverted. In 2015 BioMed Central retracted more than 40 papers submitted by Chinese researchers.

The prevalence of fraud reflects poor oversight and a dodgy research culture.

But sure, I’m imagining it.
Why do we need honest science?

Meds that aren’t poison?

Gold that contains gold?

More commonly counterfeited gold coins are Chinese gold pandas, $20 Liberty Head gold coins and St. Gaudens gold coins.


Who should be afraid of automation?




It’s simple really. Recitation. Their entire job revolves around it.
What have robots always excelled at? Perfect recitation. Think of a musical recording. Since before the computer in the days of Edison tubes, they could replicate and recite the information superior to any human.

All we’re missing is the particular coding.


Do it Musk.21761841_1672808139419632_4643807777853159451_n

At the very least, many state forms of tuition will be outsourced to MOOCs where possible for legal reasons. No sexual harassment risk, for one. No expensive unions, may be run from one or a small team of experts and TAs to the entire country. Easy to translate. Easy to grade. Children can graduate early, save the system money and earn money as soon as possible to tax. Frees up vast expanses of land and boosts economic productivity and competitiveness.

With the move to incorporate technology into every classroom, this is the eventual outcome. It would also prevent the spread of silly courses, the competition would seem real.


Who would object? The tumblr crowd? They’re antisocial and hate being bullied at school, they’d be the most ardent advocates of education options. It’s equal behind a screen.
The teacher-student system is based on monasteries and you can’t get more bigoted than that.

Asia isn’t thinking much of robots to help little old dears out of bed.

It’s thinking of teachers to upgrade the brains of the youth to cope with the otherwise spiraling economy caused by the elderly.

He isn’t a golden calf, he’s a very naughty boy

As aspirant machines, they want to worship their own sili-dick.

I am surprised.


“Atheists (and I mean philosophical atheists, not the ones who declare themselves atheists to free themselves of moral guilt)….

The problem with theists is that you think that without religion to tell people what is wrong and right, there would be no morality. I don’t think so. People might be stupid about a lot of things, but they’re not that stupid.”

I wonder how much this AI god, completely created by Jewish men, would value white women.

Religion covers many sins, doesn’t it?

I don’t think the god of the Talmud was especially kind to anyone, but especially women.