Pick-up tricks versus the naturally attractive

attractioninstitute.com/the-difference-between-a-pua-and-a-naturally-attractive-man/

Odd site, good points.

It’s an act and they burn out.

The core difference here is that the PUA is focusing on trying to get something from her and the naturally attractive Man is focusing on trying to create something.

The PUA is trying to get sex / acceptance / validation / power from women.

The naturally attractive Man is trying to create the life he wants.

Because the PUA is trying to get her attracted to him so he can get sex / validation / power / acceptance, he’s needy, outcome dependent, and unsure of himself.

Because the naturally attractive Man is focussed on creating the world he wants, he centred, focussed, and 100% sure of himself.

I’ve seen the PUAs steal this type of information and pretend it’s what they ‘really’ do. Of course it is. Because changing your whole social life around the slightest prospect of sex isn’t a pedestal and it’s outcome independence.

They never mention lookism either. Always clothes but never anything physical. Almost like the whole thing is an act to cover their own insecurities, which they project onto women are inevitable rejection, and when their numbers hit by sheer probability, they feel validated not in the ‘technique’, but as attractive. They’re just as much attention-seeking as the women.

Or they say it’s natural for men to be shallow because genetic quality but apparently women should be choosy yet blind.

The PUA mindest of ‘trying to get something from her’ is actually the reason that most guys come to the seduction community in the first place. They try and come up with ways to get sex / validation / acceptance from women and fail.

The seduction community teaches the tricks and tools to disguise their neediness and they use it to fool gullible women long enough to get them to sleep with them.

It doesn’t actually solve the real issue though – the fact they’re trying to use women to feel better about themselves / their life.

This site is repackaging the same stuff.

Like, shit tests. A verbal challenge is far more likely from a man because men are more verbally aggressive.

i don't even whatever

We don’t act like a man being rude is more attracted to us. It’s the opposite. It’s a rejection. These men are rejected with such consistency they rationalize it as success.

Go ahead, take their advice.

The real deal is good for women and the species overall because it’s a symptom of genetic quality. No amount of magic words for text game will make a man’s sperm any better. You’d think the guys abusing sexual selection theory to abuse women would understand this. Without drinking culture they’d have nothing. Club rats, that’s all they are, male or female.

The guys who’ll say female attraction is something we can’t help because it’s the vague math of WHR etc.
But their attractiveness is malleable, you see, because their masculine-posturing ego needs it to be.

What muscle percentage? What T-levels? What waist-shoulder ratio?

They don’t get it. The game is really the genetic rigging from birth.

If you need to posture, you’ve already lost. Instead of accepting their place in the food chain they’re going after scraps. It’s sad. They should just accept what they have while young and cash in their chips for a woman in their league.

SMP/SMV theory is a direct acknowledgement of leagues.

The delusion is so strong these people literally think they’re immune to the aging process.

As a point of fact, men lose collagen more drastically than women. See Johnny Depp recently.

Women slowly lose it after around 30. Men drop like falling off a cliff around 40.
They go from looking like themselves to looking like their grandfather. Especially from the neck down.

Of course, if men aged like wine (stupid metaphor, wine goes off) then they wouldn’t need supplements. Another get rich quick scheme would become impossible to sell.

They’re an intrasexual version of the cuttlefish, pretending to be healthier (fitter) than they really are, for short-term mating opportunities. It’s nothing respectable to base a society on, it’s all signalling games. It’s similar to the transvestite men who pretend to be lesbians in order to impregnate women who are otherwise impossible to socially access. They can’t win in a fight or fair social contest with their genetic betters so they try to sneak in with little tricks and tactics and techniques hoping they don’t make the real Alpha male angry.

They think they can tell who that is on sight as well, so I’m assuming they’re all bisexual.

They’re willing deadbeat trash. Spreading disease and moral decay.

Link: The ‘Shit Test’ fallacy

http://uncabob.blogspot.co.uk/2014/05/the-shit-test-fallacy.html

“Many practicing PUAs get so-called shit tests for the simple reason that they act so damn weird, and when women bring attention to this behaviour or react negatively to it, voila… it’s a shit test.

Bravo and good tidings

At best, it’s a PUA test. If a normal woman flags you as PUA, it’s over. This is why Roosh lies about his name abroad and even the biggest bloggers choose to remain anonymous. It isn’t fame. To regular women, it isn’t a good thing.
So when you try to ‘win’ by showing off how PUA you are… yeah, no wonder it doesn’t work. These are often K-selected women trying to root out the r-types to save their time. All PUA = r-types. That’s why. A PUA hitting on a K-woman will never be successful unless he lies to her (hello fraud laws).

Responses flagged include;

defense of PUAs
thinking it’s a compliment (stupidity)
kiddie responses (agree& amplify, random assumptions like we’re 5)
assuming we won’t question anything this total randomer says (especially when you get offended)
versions of “I know you are but what am I” (embarrassing for you)
ignoring the question (which means yes)
insulting us (wow so impressive, so alpha)

Crucial point:

A man contributing to the fucked-up sexual marketplace by sleeping around in it is not allowed to complain about the modern r-selection consequences (we have heard this). Since they chose their strategy and actively contribute to the problems. It’s like a feminist saying “why does no guy wanna marry me”?

The supposed ‘Shit Test’ from a female perspective

I’m going to try and make this brief barring the legal (illegal) stuff. There was a very good rebuttal on the topic from an intelligent man.
The people who believe in this, they’re full of shit. They believe in it because it boosts their insecure ego. They want to believe it, or they’re the dickhead bothering random women who secretly hate them. You know, the objective stance of the antisocial interaction.

well doctor

Men over-call Shit Tests to mean practically anytime a woman talks to him, for his own ego.

what he says: “Did you see that? She was totally Shit-Testing me!
what he thinks it means: “Did you see that? The girl I had to approach was attracted to me, too!”
actual translation: Did you see that? I bothered a complete stranger in public because she has a pair of tits and it totally pissed her off!

A small legal detour

Even a “No, fuck off” in retort is seen as a Shit Test by these wankers, and they call you a bitch to boot (which has a predictable effect on what you think of them as a person). I don’t even like to swear at strangers and I have to do this most of the time because anything less, and they won’t leave me alone. They’re like an sperg who can’t tell you’re bored when your eyes glaze over, without the excuse of mental problems. They refuse to take the rejection for their ego and just leave, like it’s a hostage negotiation. Literally, with the questioning tactics (like ignoring answers you dislike) and physically stopping you from leaving, it might legally count as that. It’s like they’ve picked up flirting tips from Twilight and think persistence will always get the girl to change her mind.
The actual police aren’t even allowed to stop and search me for no reason, and you think it’s acceptable for you to not only stop me, but start with the sexual touching (that’s what kino is, sexual touching, legally speaking)? Good luck defending that in court. That’s the way to get kicked in the balls and totally deserve it under self-defense law. This kino stuff only applies to Americans in America I think, because I’ve seen blokes in Europe given police warnings for that unwarranted touching bullshit. I’ve also seen women get in trouble for it too, especially on hen nights. The street is not a club and even in clubs you can get kicked out – for being a creep. You can’t touch girls at strip clubs even, unless the girl offers, which is a whole different thing (not kino because she’s already interested and actively made an offer). When we call you entitled because you knowingly intrude on physical boundaries, we’re right. You can also get done on recent public order offenses as well as common assault (and they’ll have CCTV to prove you were intentionally doing this to God knows how many women):
http://www.cps.gov.uk/legal/p_to_r/public_order_offences/
and those can get you put in the drunk tank without being drunk! It can go on your record back home.
I’ve had men block alleys (England is full of alleys between little streets) practically threatening me for my name (to look up online) and number (oh sure, I wanted to date those guys, they wouldn’t exactly get worse as time went on and didn’t seem like woman-beaters at all….). Best part? All the crazy ones indulged in a wonderful bout of projection after I continued to reject them despite their menace by sulking off and calling me crazy! I checked around and this happens all the time with that type. This is why the No Means No campaign exists and men in the manosphere don’t get to complain about it, since we’re being honest, just like you wanted? You aren’t on the receiving end and needing to say No and be taken seriously for your own personal safety. These are the same creeps who say when a woman says No, she ‘doesn’t really mean it‘ but if a man says No to a girl he means it 100% of the time (lolwut legal equality) – the compulsive lying only applies to the female crazies I mention at the end, a strict minority, and the exact same men wonder why they’re deservedly up on rape charges later, where this is exactly how it will play out;

Judge: “Did she say No at any point?”
Rapist: “Yes but she didn’t mean it…”
Judge, thinking: WTF you raping bastard I have the consent law right here in a room behind me
Judge, speaking later“Guilty on this! *gavel* Guilty on that! *gavel* Guilty on everything I can use!” *gavel*

and they complain about women being deluded….
The rape law targets predatory men like this, who only want women for one thing (whether the woman wants it too), because a verbal word is supposed to be taken as truthful (like women are adults or something).
http://www.cps.gov.uk/legal/p_to_r/rape_and_sexual_offences/
When a woman says a thing, it’s equal to men, so legally, she means it 100%. It might fly on a forum as a joke but you will end up in prison if you believe it. Good technicality: if her word No means nothing to you, why do you seek a Yes?

Also under consent, is this;

Whether he or she was in a position to make that choice freely, and was not constrained in any way….

Stopping women in the street on CCTV will look dodgy to a jury. Like a predator.

Lack of consent may be demonstrated by;

Evidence that the complainant was deceived as to the identity of the person with whom (s)he had intercourse.

So PUAs are fucked in England, basically. One of many reasons I think Roosh hated London.

“It would plainly be open to a jury to hold that if AA had made clear that she would only consent to sexual intercourse if Mr Assange used a condom, then there would be no consent if, without her consent, he did not use a condom, or removed or tore the condom ….. His conduct in having sexual intercourse without a condom in circumstances where she had made clear she would only have sexual intercourse if he used a condom would therefore amount to an offence under the Sexual Offences Act 2003….”

Really fucked, anywhere in the UK.

The same guy who’s now telling non-Americans to film all the sex they have, despite how European data and information law is so stringent post-hacking that the penalty can be life imprisonment, far longer than real rape, ironically:
feedproxy.google.com/~r/dcb/~3/72NuLvlxy8M/men-should-start-recording-sex-with-a-hidden-camera

I recommend that from this point on you strongly consider recording casual sexual encounters with a hidden camera.

Filming someone without their consent in Europe is a better way of ruining your life than a rape accusation. You can be up on literal terror charges. Especially when you say “Roosh said” in your legal defense, that won’t get you in the papers at all. It can actually change the regular consensual sex they have into rape – because they didn’t consent to that (all acts). Anything less than all acts? = Legal rape. It also comes under ‘conditional consent’ like the condom thing above. She didn’t agree to make porn, which is also a job and you didn’t pay her or get a model release either (things they have to do in actual porn). It’s illegal all the way down and makes me want to facepalm. When it comes back to bite them, they’ll blame feminists for their own stupid actions and ignorance of the law.
It rests on a stupid misunderstanding of the law involved. Nothing in the rape law says a woman can’t enjoy it, for a horrific fact that some poor, rare women have clinically orgasmed against their will while being raped, for the same reason as men can sustain an erection or ejaculate when being raped (motor function). I already covered in a post on day game just HOW illegal it is to film someone in public in London, so resting on that as legal defense regarding intimacy is abysmally stupid, but imagine how much worse it is when you have an entire library of blackmail material (how a judge will see it).
Posters won’t matter either. Nobody believes posters, unless they’re Government signs (the Keep Calm… joke was based on this). If you think that will help instead of make you look like you had intention to film her and use it –I describe you, you hate me. Really, you hate yourself and everyone knows it.

Final word on how backward this is;

http://www.theguardian.com/society/2015/jun/10/34-year-old-man-first-person-to-be-convicted-under-forced-marriage-laws

This is who you’d get lumped in with. It hinges on use of a hidden camera. It’s treated like filming someone in a public toilet – still illegal, still creepy, still getting you in the papers and ruining your life.

Back off the legal track, which needed saying

No actually means Fuck Off from a woman in a polite society. We have a culture of understatement. We couldn’t put that on the big red buses.

The way we think about it is like this: when you meet a stranger, you’re at your best. If that’s the best impression you can make, we’ll pass, even if you had the looks to scrape past. It’s like that average-looking girl with a major attitude problem who’s just too much hassle, and when all the local blokes have had a go, she complains why she doesn’t have a boyfriend. You’re the male version of that (she talked to me but she didn’t ___).

It’s irritating. Attractive women get approached all the time, and we all know it’s based on looks because you know approximately fuck-all about us except looks, so we also know you’re shallow and insinuating you think we might be a whore down for instant sex because you tried it on in the first place (or else why bother). That’s part of the reason for the supposed Bitch Shield, this selective shield that isn’t supposed to apply to a single entitled man, you’re supposed to worship for *gasp!* talking to you, omg thank you! but is supposed to apply to the 99 guys before him that he never saw or met. At least some of whom were better-looking and not entitled, a winning combination in either sex.

I hope this tosser lives long enough to die in a riot without a pension

This is about 1000x worse in a polite society, like England. Where Americans think it’s okay to just walk up to you and tell you their name and life story, because you happen to be in the same place as them at the same time. You have no right to my time as I have no right to yours. Anything less is entitled. I can walk away without a word or flip you the bird going ‘ew no’ and it doesn’t make me a bitch because you started it. If you think it’s just the women and there’s something wrong with us, try doing the exact same thing to the average Englishman and you’ll have a funny A&E story.

You know that age when kids learn a word and they babble it endlessly for months? That’s a guy who just read about Shit Tests. It’s apophenia, the human tendency to upgrade attention to a thing and seek patterns where in reality, there are none. Jesus isn’t in your toast.

You’re being treated like an arsehole, because you’re acting like one. Accost random men on the street in suits (male equiv. to a short skirt) and see if the treatment is ‘bitch’-based.

What we say: “Excuse me?”
What we mean: “Why is this creep talking to me?”

Attraction is not a negotiation. Yet Game purports to teach men how to change a woman’s mind.

Reminds me of this joke;

If her bra and underwear match when you take her clothes off, you’re not the one who decided to have sex.

The one who can say stop has the control. The one who cares less. Men should know women care less about sex in general.

If you walk up to me and start talking, I’m not throwing you a Shit Test in reply. I’m trying to make you go away because I’m not interested. You already knew this, because you had to walk up to me. I have legs. I could’ve asked you for the time (classic English opener) if I wanted to talk to you. In a polite society, the women are the ones with the opener power, never the men (to avoid this very problem since we chucked chaperons) so you’re in my country, you didn’t bother to learn the local rules or worst still, you don’t even care, and you’ve intruded on the transport time we base our schedules on to insult me as a person (see above, in thinking I might be a whore).

You’re a prick. A woman may never say it to your face, but we’ll be telling our next appointment: “Sorry I was late, some prick started talking to me right there in the street!” To which most people, including a lot of men will reply: “What a creep.” Because we know the rules. Your personal opinions of harassment won’t change our culture.

white male opinions do the creep

When you act like a creep, you ARE a creep.
Making up terms to make your public harassment look like Playing Hard to Get doesn’t change the external appearance to everyone else. Or the police.

This is a major issue between applying American game like it works the same anywhere else. The American culture doesn’t cross over, mostly because America doesn’t have one. The republican war saw to that. There are major class issues I won’t go into, the UK is the most class-ridden place in the world, so some American lumpenprole approaching a decent girl (working class honest to middle class pampered to upper class totty) is seen as loathsome, like a peasant asking a member of the Royal Family to hold their drink. No, we are not equal, and you’re foreign, we don’t even like the French. The cold response is not the fault of the person being approached nor confined to women. The men can actually be worse for this, the women might try and be polite at first and dummies often take this to be an IOI, get worse, and finally she has to drop the pretense at politeness.

If you’re standing around like these day game pricks looking for women to approach, guess what: we can see you, too. Usually about halfway down the road, often rubbing their hands because it’s so bloody cold, which can be quite funny given why they’re there. When everyone else is moving and one shifty looking bloke is eyeing up all the young women, it doesn’t take a genius to know what type of bloke he is and we will try to avoid you like one of those leaflet or survey people. If we’re zoned out and you still bother us, you don’t get to complain about an abrupt answer or fake number, because when you begin an interaction, you’ve already become the rude party. Whatever we say after is perfectly acceptable on etiquette grounds, like matching insults in an argument. I don’t think I can overstate what a social violation this totally public approach is, and considering these guys go on about rapport, I should say this makes the average non-American girl very uncomfortable. This is why recent iterations have told men to have some kind of excuse, because it gets a girl talking, sure, but that doesn’t change the binary fact of whether or not she is interested. You’ll have the exact same success rate, but it will seem like it was working and you ‘lost it’ – when you never had it. 

You are not exempt from call time. Pay attention.

Overall, it makes the girls more averse to tourists. Especially Asian tourists (the core demo of PUA is Asian men with White Fever). Ofc, the complaint racism comes in like the whiny bitches they are, which makes them more attractive /sarc, when it’s actually the men who are racist, by only wanting white women (get your own), intruding on our country like it’s a brothel and assuming we’re all whores (if that were true, porn wouldn’t exist).

Now, some men will rightly say: but there are women who play games. Total headcases.

Yes, there are.

With one tell —

But those are the same women who approach you.

To establish control. And because the etiquette allows them to.

If a woman is trying to let you know she isn’t interested (backing off, I’m busy, no thanks, excuses, the what? face), you can’t complain about the headcases who play games and bemoan “where are the honest women”?

Rejection is good, it stops everyone from wasting their time. Take the hint and GTFO.

And if you’re only attracted to the women who play games (as many in PUA are), it’s no wonder your opinion of women in general is so low. You only want the crazies.

And if Shit Tests ever did exist, they are used by men (you might know it as provoking a hamstering) – and are also applied to other men (see: banter) for fun.

“Are you a player?”

FINALLY someone addresses this. It’s truly a test of personality/character reading. Can you read the woman and what she wants well enough to provide the response she wants? Does she appreciate raw honesty, a simple Yes/No? Does she want details of any arrangement you’d be willing to partake in? Or is she playing constant mindgames and being faux coy herself, wanting you to match? Bracketing a woman wrongly is a huge insult, we don’t like to think we’re interchangeable (although many are). (Okay, like 99% of us are, give me that much wiggle room.)

The cutesy evasion is disgusting and very off-putting to high-quality women. It’s a shit test for ego too. Some women don’t want the hassle (I guess you’d call us beta females).
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