Telegony myths

Is It True Women Retain the DNA of Every Man They’ve Ever Slept With in Their Bodies?

Also fraternal twins, one girl and one boy, they swap DNA.

In any event, the results of this study on 10-15 year old girls showed that 13.6% of the girls tested positive for male microchimerism, which is more or less inline with the previously mentioned study of adult women who’d either only had daughters or never been pregnant, with rates of about 8% and 10% respectively. This also almost exactly lined up with another study on prepubescent girls, with about 14% testing positive for male microchimerism in that study.

As other studies have also shown, the 2015 study researchers also noted that girls who had older brothers were more likely to test positive for male microchimerism, with the more older brothers, the more likely to test positive. They also found girls whose mothers had blood transfusions during pregnancy were more likely to test positive as well.

exactly, it is in blood, especially placental blood

but we can’t do microchimerism studies without ALSO studying men, like do men carry maternal cells? Then it cannot be sexual.

The leading hypotheses is that these are probably coming from things like cases of a vanished and unobserved male twin or, more likely in most cases, a woman, including the mothers of these girls, having been previously pregnant with a boy and they simply didn’t know it. It turns out, depending on what study you want to go with, between 1/3 and just under 1/2 of all human pregnancies result in a miscarriage, with a decent percentage of these happening without the woman actually knowing she was briefly pregnant. Further, a large percentage of the rest of these miscarriages happen before the sex of the baby is known.

Twins can be semi-identical so biology is weird.
Study virgins, ah, but if they found microchimerism ((they’d)) still claim they were lying? Nuns? Maternal cells in gay guys?
It’s possible family cells don’t activate until later, gene expression is like that.

They should study semen for evidence of race mixing. I bet they’d find it. Hey, if you’ve got nothing to hide, you’ve got nothing to fear, right?


Imagine demanding a guy take a cuck test before marrying your daughter.

I long for the day. That’s real power to the Patriarchy, literally testing all your daughter’s suitors.

“when talking the “every partner” narrative, this can conclusively be shown to be false with the known data given that if that were true, virtually every heterosexual woman should test positive for male microchimerism. This is not the case.”

negative evidence, the projecting narcs don’t care though, they want an excuse for their hatred

Test lesbians. Ah, but they don’t want the truth, so they won’t test men either. They have confirmation bias.
But women shed DNA in their vagina. Those are like skin cells, remember. And if STDs can get up the male urethra (and they can), it could happen. Test some weeb in Thailand for Asian DNA in his semen, it’d be funny.
Taking “I think I’m turning Japanese” to the new height of irony.

God, imagine if they found it. Those are the studies we really need.

“the vagina is an incredibly inhospitable place to try to establish a cell line in the first place, including being relatively rapidly self cleaning and good at getting rid of such offending cells.”

self-cleaning = constantly shedding
so it’s more probable that more than 10% of slutty men have female DNA
you can’t just look at one sex for human DNA, you must study both

it reminds me of divorce studies that don’t look at male risk factors, you need a good MO

then if men are strangely clear, despite growing in a woman for 9 months, at least biology would know that!

stop assuming!

“But, of course, sperm don’t replicate themselves and only last at most a week or so. So, no. Just no.”
dead fragments – find them in autopsies to prove it? or disprove with lack thereof?

https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0045592
Male Microchimerism in the Human Female Brain

Microchimerism of fetal as well as maternal origin has recently been reported in the mouse brain.

wiki
After giving birth, about 50–75% of women carry fetal immune cell lines. Maternal immune cells are also found in the offspring yielding in maternal→fetal microchimerism, though this phenomenon is about half as frequent as the former.[10]”
So men ALSO carry their mother’s cells … that isn’t impressive, then but the bad faith guys ignore it.
Perfectly innocent explanation. I don’t mind admitting I was wrong, hadn’t looked into it but I know a lot of twins, some virgins. Tests must be possible, especially in animal models.

Source Maternal microchimerism in healthy adults in lymphocytes, monocyte/macrophages and NK cells
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16969370
“Maternal Mc has recently been found in the peripheral blood of healthy adults.”
okay, study just men?

like a study of just men for maternal or non-maternal female DNA?

that’s the simplest methodology since men can’t make babies! it would rule out pregnancy entirely!

could lead to a homosexuality test – microchimerism with non-related men?

Sperm couldn’t burrow into the uterus though because women shed it every month or less. That would be impossible, unless she got pregnant before the next period but then the immune system would’ve cleared the dead cells, that last a few days up to a week.

Telegony proof racks up

You heard it here first: https://disenchantedscholar.wordpress.com/?s=telegony

This is a good breakdown of the evidence, remember Roosh studied biology, he isn’t pulling this out of his ass.

http://www.returnofkings.com/70425/research-suggests-that-a-womans-body-incorporates-dna-from-the-semen-of-her-casual-sex-partners

….Telegony is an idea first proposed by Aristotle that claims offspring can inherit genes from the mother’s previous sexual partners. This idea was not scientifically supported until evidence piled up of microchimerism, the phenomenon of foreign DNA becoming incorporated into the genome of an individual. This was first noted to happenin the case of blood transfusions. If you have received blood while in a state of trauma, your donor’s DNA can become incorporated into your genome. Surprisingly little research has been done on microchimerism since then, but all signs point to this being a widespread and common genetic phenomenon throughout the animal kingdom.

A groundbreaking study on flies last year showed the process of females incorporating DNA from previous male partners and then exhibiting that male DNA into future spawn they had with completely different males…..

The problem with men would be STDs, since they usually pass them on. Neither sex gets a free pass, since STDs can cause miscarriage or birth defects (the original reason for warnings).

I’ve always thought of the uterus as a fertile field, the old seeds are still there, somewhere. They can’t exactly go anywhere.

Interesting headline: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/science/science-news/11133203/Could-previous-lovers-influence-appearance-of-future-children.html

There is a side of this which dissuades promiscuity in men too. Every slut you’ve ever slept with (without a condom) could claim a section of Child Support, because some of your DNA is present.

Not to mention this exchange would equally apply to men too. Both sexes have mucous membranes. French kissing and sublingual absorption of DNA? Saliva and other female bodily fluids?

Fair airing of rebuttal;

http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2015/09/09/mra-science-madness/

Most of the guy’s arguments are “We don’t have the data to say that.”

Which is fair. It was speculation from limited studies.

And inaccurate.

What is truthful is to say “We don’t have the data yet and let’s test it!”

But he doesn’t want to test it.

How scientific.

Telegony studies and the future of sperm-paternity studies

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/ele.12373/abstract

Newly discovered non-genetic mechanisms break the link between genes and inheritance, thereby also raising the possibility that previous mating partners could influence traits in offspring sired by subsequent males that mate with the same female (‘telegony’). In the fly Telostylinus angusticollis, males transmit their environmentally acquired condition via paternal effects on offspring body size. We manipulated male condition, and mated females to two males in high or low condition in a fully crossed design. Although the second male sired a large majority of offspring, offspring body size was influenced by the condition of the first male. This effect was not observed when females were exposed to the first male without mating, implicating semen-mediated effects rather than female differential allocation based on pre-mating assessment of male quality. Our results reveal a novel type of transgenerational effect with potential implications for the evolution of reproductive strategies.

Full PDF here: http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/ele.12373/pdf

Could this be the arbiter of female hypergamy? The reason women consistently underestimate their partner count? The reason for the classical association with purity in chaste women?
Certainly there is a new direction in studying maternal quality, we know for a fact that pregnant women receive stem cells from the foetus, and these usually include crossing the blood-brain barrier and becoming brain cells.

This study of blood finds male cells where they shouldn’t be in a mother, with such a heavy impact on its host it might impact organ donation.

In conclusion, we show for the first time functional evidence for transmaternal cell flow resulting in Ag-specific T-cell priming and resulting in microchimerism in mother’s offspring.

This is called fetomaternal microchimerism, where a new organism (in this case, baby) pollutes the purity of the mother’s cells (unkind metaphor but apt). The record for how long this phenomena has lasted in its host, this ‘new lineage’, is 27 years. Fertility window time.
Source: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC40117/

The future direction is clear, there is a biological basis for slut shaming. As these studies scale up, the prospect of transfer is almost guaranteed, given these findings across species. For example, human trials have only included fertilizations (foetuses) thus far as previous acceptable (testable) material and not simple sperm or RNA presence, which would involve taking samples from all of a woman’s previous lovers. The lack of experiment with modern computing of samples has left the subject wide open to speculation again. Consider the societal implications, whatever the actual transfer percentage.

It might be a few errant proteins, the odd specific DNA fragments, but do you really think men won’t care?

Is Telegony the reason why everyone hates a slut?

Study here.

Probably. Genetic aftereffects. Need more research!

Telegony is the belief that the sire first mated to a female will have an influence upon some of that female’s later offspring by another male. Although the reality of telegony was acknowledged by such authorities as Darwin, Spencer, Romanes and many experienced breeders, it has been met with scepticism because of Weismann’s unfavourable comments and negative results obtained in several test experiments. In this article, alleged cases of telegony are provided. A search of the literature of cell biology and biochemistry reveals several plausible mechanisms that may form the basis for telegony. These involve the penetration of spermatozoa into the somatic tissues of the female genital tract, the incorporation of the DNA released by spermatozoa into maternal somatic cells, the presence of foetal DNA in maternal blood, as well as sperm RNA-mediated non-Mendelian inheritance of epigenetic changes.”

The inverse social outcome is a marked subconscious preference for virgins in male-run societies (read: all).