If you want to infuriate a vegan, remind them semen is as much an animal product as eggs.
Both contain gametes.
If you want to infuriate a vegan, remind them semen is as much an animal product as eggs.
Both contain gametes.
So well-researched I couldn’t do better myself.
Even used the red box chan method. Nice.
A study that tried to find positive (pro-veg) differences had arbitrary, strict age limits and time exclusions.
“There were no significant differences between vegetarians and nonvegetarians in mortality from cerebrovascular disease, stomach cancer, colorectal cancer, lung cancer, breast cancer, prostate cancer, or all other causes combined.”
Logically, if meat consumption caused colon cancer, that is impossible.
“Non-vegetarian diets were compared to vegetarian dietary patterns (i.e., vegan and lacto-ovo-vegetarian) on selected health outcomes.”
Why not compare vegetarian to vegan?
“Males experience greater health benefits than females. Limited prospective data is available on vegetarian diets and body weight change.”
Don’t bother studying that, though.
“Large randomized intervention trials on the effects of vegetarian diet patterns on neurological and cognitive functions, obesity, diabetes, and other cardiovascular outcomes are warranted to make meaningful recommendations.”
Vegetarian, vegan diets and multiple health outcomes: A systematic review with meta-analysis of observational studies
There appears to be a confound e.g. not drinking.
“This comprehensive meta-analysis reports a significant protective effect of a vegetarian diet versus the incidence and/or mortality from ischemic heart disease (−25%) and incidence from total cancer (−8%). Vegan diet conferred a significant reduced risk (−15%) of incidence from total cancer.”
DATA: (they hope we won’t look at)
“With regard to prospective cohort studies, the analysis showed a significant reduced risk of incidence and/or mortality from ischemic heart disease (RR 0.75; 95% CI, 0.68 to 0.82) and incidence of total cancer (RR 0.92; 95% CI 0.87 to 0.98) but not of total cardiovascular and cerebrovascular diseases, all-cause mortality and mortality from cancer. No significant association was evidenced when specific types of cancer were analyzed.”
Clear as mud.
You’re literally more likely to DIE on this diet but they claim “protective”.
Vegans – putting the DIE in DIET.
“The analysis conducted among vegans reported significant association with the risk of incidence from total cancer (RR 0.85; 95% CI, 0.75 to 0.95), despite obtained only in a limited number of studies.”
excellent example of propaganda
Meanwhile, I’ve been increasing my animal protein intake and look better than ever.
Eat like WW2.
Not specifically vegan in some studies but close. They daren’t do direct studies.
Already shown you this
“Researchers in the United States have found a link between a low-fat dairy diet and increased risk of anovulatory infertility.”
“Seven of nine women in the vegetarian group became anovulatory.”
For the many obese vegans:
“In young women being overweight appears to be one of the major and still neglected causes of subfertility. Not only the excessive amount but also the distribution of body fat is clearly related to loss of fertility.”
We already knew it causes subfertility in men.
“These high concentrations of androgen and insulin in turn are important factors in the preferential abnormal localization of body fat.”
aka Unhealthy women have boy hips and no waist.
(Actually, I’d pay good money to see a subfertility study in Asians, especially considering all the GMO soybean products).
“in addition, have a higher rate of miscarriages”
forcing pregnancy means sickly babies, a miscarriage where not stress-based is just rejecting the genome that would be an infant mortality statistic anyway
If they aren’t responsible for their body, why are they allowed a baby?
“Drugs increasing insulin sensitivity also improve spontaneous ovulation and fertility in obese women but still need to be tested in larger controlled trials.”
Why don’t you listen to Mother Nature and stop trying to force babies?
At least do a follow-up study on their own health risks to show the practice is safe.
Fertility is not an entitlement.
Obese people are not healthy.
Agriculturally pushed carbs are the culprit, not meat or dairy
“Vegans take more pride in their diets than do vegetarians.”
Yeah, we know they do.
“Vegans view their diets as more central to their identity than do vegetarians.”
Isn’t that a mental illness? Orthorexia?
“had more positive feelings toward their dietary in-group (higher private regard)”
so vegans are racist?
“evaluated out-group dieters more negatively (lower out-group regard)”
yep, most meat-eaters in the world aren’t white…
Veganism was invented in 1944 in England, so clearly it’s racist.
“A retrospective review indicated that vegans should ensure adequate intake of a few nutrients.”
Supplements are either animal derived or tested on animals.
“”We found that some of these nutrients, which can have implications in neurologic disorders, anemia, bone strength and other health concerns, can be deficient in poorly planned vegan diets,”
“The study points out that some vegans rely heavily on processed foods and may not eat a sufficient variety of fruits, vegetables and whole grains.”
They also tend to consume non-organic coffee that’s been sprayed with fungicides, herbicides and pesticides.
“In some cases, iron and zinc status of vegans may also be of concern because of the limited bioavailability of these minerals.”
Things you need to live. Really?
Vegans dosing b12 probably don’t get it
“Approximately 85% of participants categorized as having low vitamin B-12 were taking vitamin B-12 supplements at doses in excess of the Recommended Dietary Allowance, which suggests that more research is needed to determine breast-milk adequacy values.”
again, women suffer more from stupid fad dieting, as the sex with a more complex body that’s intended to support another body in the form of a fetus
it suggests since their body isn’t adsorbing it that they’re still suffering brain shrinkage and also logically so too would the baby
You’d think that would be an important study to do.
Racial confound but okay
“4.5% lower body fat in vegan women”
thinner isn’t better, it isn’t healthier, especially for women
women need a higher body fat %
doesn’t control for source of meat
“Patterns of differences by diet group were similar in white men.”
Thinner men is also bad.
“In the Indian population, compared with meat eaters, vegetarian women were shorter (−1.1 cm) and had lower lean mass (−0.5 kg), and both vegetarian women and men had lower grip strength (−1.3 and −1.4 kg, respectively).”
This suggests an Asian subfertility study must be done.
They also had less lean mass… hmm….
“Differences in anthropometric and physiologic characteristics were observed across diet groups in white participants, but fewer differences were observed in British Indian participants.”
Diet is more important for white people who evolved to eat more meat during the Ice Age.
Water is wet.
And the word you use from the passport doesn’t count medically. They are not British, they are their bodies – Indian.
British Indian makes it sound like they belong to the Empire, technically they do. They can’t medically blend with their passport, they’ll never be British. Ever. They missed the local evolutionary events as we missed theirs.
Someone tell them a passport is actually a license to draft. Including stupid dual passport holders thinking that places like Singapore don’t have any legal hold over them.
It isn’t a golden ticket. You’d have to have a permanently slow group IQ to think that.
Actually, diet x IQ study? Why no?
You have to scroll for the real findings.
“In contrast, both lacto-ovo-vegetarian and vegan females do not seem to have a lower risk of mortality from cardiovascular diseases. Not so clear patterns are observed for cancer outcomes. While lacto-ovo-vegetarians have lower risk of cancer of the gastrointestinal tract, vegans experience a higher risk for cancer of the urinary tract. For other-cancer sites, the risk is slightly but not significantly lower for both lacto-ovo-vegetarians and vegans compared to non-vegetarians. Subsequent reports with longer follow-up time and more cancer cases will help clarify the role of specific vegetarian diets with cancer outcomes.”
Little to no difference, especially for women.
Some cancer rates higher.
Any benefits are largely not being obese. If properly controlled for, that suggests cancer may be higher risk.
“In the EPIC-Oxford study , vegans had 30% higher fracture rates than meat-eaters. ”
“Vitamin B12 deficiency may increase CVD risk factors , and is associated for a wide range of neurological disorders . In addition, for those following a vegan diet, optimizing intakes of n-3 fatty acids is highly recommended ”
reconcile absorption study above
the lower cardio risk is an assumption based on supplementation, not the dietary fact per se
“large randomized dietary intervention trials on vegan and lacto-ovo-vegetarian patterns are warranted to duplicate the findings and further investigate the health effects of these diets.”
They’re mainly studying religious people, not the typical atheist vegan.
“The research on the health effects of vegan diets and chronic diseases have mostly derived from observational studies of Adventist and Oxford vegetarians cohorts”
That isn’t generalisable.
“In general, the protective effects of vegetarian diets are stronger in men than in women.”
Paleo makes no sense considering all the diseases men are at risk of most, are made worse by eating tons of red meat. If you won’t listen to science, you’ll have to talk to Mr Prostate Cancer.
Where’s the sex realism in dietary advice? No, men can’t get away with eating like women either. Almost like there are chemicals varying between the two.
And body builders have atrocious health. I’d like to see a study on how unhealthy gyms are. Exercising in those are the worst places you can exercise. I heard there’s HPV on the machines.
“Populations who have had a primarily vegetarian diet for generations were found to be far more likely to carry DNA which makes them susceptible to inflammation.”
That’s why Indians or Asians especially need to be vegetarian.
Their DNA is quite fragile.
“Scientists in the US believe that the mutation occurred to make it easier for vegetarians to absorb essential fatty acids from plants.
But it has the knock-on effect of boosting the production of arachidonic acid, which is linked to inflammatory disease and cancer.”
Vegetable oils are especially toxic for them (break out the ghee).
Note the link says one third that magically disappears.
Fake news, people who can afford to go to Waitrose are going to boutique butchers.
“One in eight”
“Britons is now vegetarian or vegan, according to a new report on food shopping that underlines a revolution in the UK’s eating habits.”
Invest in healthcare, there’s a boom in medical conditions on the horizon.
Veganism: The brain aging diet?
Vegetarian and vegan are totally different diets, stop conflating them, the false equivalence gives me a Vitamin B12 deficiency brain shrinkage headache.
There’s also the blatantly obvious fact that more plants increases pesticide ingestion. Organic plants still contain a lot of pesticide, increasing intake substantially (% of diet) will steamroll omnivore consumption.
Plus the animal and bug murder of ‘pest control’.
A five year-old could understand that making food involves killing things, that also want to eat your food. Biological competition?
Here’s where they sneak in the propaganda:
“A series of influential reports have said that avoiding meat and dairy products is the single biggest way consumers can reduce their environmental impact on the planet, because farming animals is such a CO2-intensive process.”
So is the article about a Waitrose survey or mysterious, unlinked (!) reports?
“Nick Palmer, the head of Compassion in World Farming UK says “Science proves that the healthiest diet is one that is plant-heavy. By eating less meat, fish, eggs and dairy
most food, then
and choosing higher welfare when we do, we can all help animals, people and the planet.””
Science proves – no, it doesn’t.
Source? There are certainly no solid studies like that on vegans. We’ve been looking but all they hand us is hand-waving conjecture and reddit-tier self-report. Scientism promotes the high-fructose diet of veganism and their skin shows it.
Also, people are animals. If you really wanted to help the planet, you’d commit suicide. Total extinction of your carbon footprint, as a carbon-based life form.
The Waitrose info seems to confirm it’s a static fad, as in, no new people are taking it up.
“Publication of the findings represents awkward timing for Waitrose.” PR. Fake news. A term banned in the press here now.
Faking data for the public should be illegal, especially when these people are dispensing medical advice.
Back to pure, organic bullshit:
“The number of vegans in the UK, who shun all animal products including dairy and eggs, has grown fourfold in the past four years from 150,000 to 600,000,”
Wait for it.
“…according to the Vegan Society.”
Would they lie to us? And that isn’t very encouraging considering rising obesity levels, what % of vegetarians and what % of vegans are overweight at all?
Look at the Waitrose data. There are tiny percentages involved.
For <50s, the number is static between age ranges. There is no movement.
The lines added represent the mean for almost all age groups, and it wobbles within 1-2%, nothing!
“Waitrose was the first UK supermarket to install dedicated vegan sections in 134 of its stores in May.”
Ah, this is an advert.
What’s the difference between a cucumber and a vegan cucumber?
What you do with it.
That justifies the price hike.
“This year, we’ve seen vegan food go mainstream” said Natalie Mitchell.
No, it isn’t, the rate of uptake isn’t higher with people under 30 or even 20.
If you’re gonna lie with statistics, get good with it?
“people are discovering that it tastes amazing.”
“Many of the vegan and vegetarian respondents said they missed bacon sandwiches and pork scratchings.”
“About 60% of vegans and 40% of vegetarians surveyed said they had adopted the lifestyle over the past five years, with 55% citing animal welfare concerns, 45% health reasons and 38% environmental issues.”
So what? Relevance? Make a different article proving that.
They don’t want to label halal meat, let alone ban its inhumane production in this country. They don’t care about the animals. Whatsoever.
There are no good studies I’ve seen on veganism altogether and vegetarian studies are fraught with method errors then environment – well, most new meat demand comes from China so you’re barking up the wrong tree. And their demand is only rising with their population boom.
That is not your imagination, Israel consumes BY FAR the most meat in the world (poultry value cinches it).
When are you shaming them, Saudi Arabia, Malaysia, Brazil, Argentina, Uruguay and Peru?
Are the Guardian calling on the UK government to reduce production in this country of Halal and Kosher meat (insufficiently or not at all stunned, torturing the animal?) and to stop selling it abroad, increasing cruel meat demand? No? Then they don’t care about the animals.
“Scientific research published this year found that without meat and dairy consumption, global farmland use could be reduced by more than 75% – an area equivalent to the US, China, the EU and Australia combined – and still feed the world.”
So who eats the most meat? Clue – not white people! Are we all meant to go on rations (worse than rations, majority food group eradication) for the supposed benefit of other people in the world who don’t?
Shaming people for eating, they’re totally serious.
BCD – children deserve to develop properly and adults require adequate nutrition for fertility, especially women. I’m shocked the feminists are too dense to twig that shaming dairy is heavily sexist against women.
Before someone who can’t google gets triggered at the word ‘sexist’…
“Researchers in the United States have found a link between a low-fat dairy diet and increased risk of anovulatory infertility.” For one study.
There is definitely a link between veganism (worse, no dairy) and female infertility which remains unexplored.
“In the drinks aisle, Waitrose singles out the popularity of organic wine.”
Alcohol is proven to permanently damage your DNA. Health reasons, huh? Not signalling?
Wine doesn’t have mental benefits over beer, either. It’s false stereotype.
“Waitrose’s managing director, Rob Collins, said: “Being mindful of how we live and eat has become a priority in today’s world. As we become increasingly mindful of our own health, the wellbeing of our family and that of the planet, we’re reshaping how we shop, cook and eat.””
Read: consume less food so your betters can consume more, for the good of socialist globalism.
It won’t make you stupider, that’s impossible….
“It was this new meat diet, full of densely-packed nutrients, that provided the catalyst for human evolution, particularly the growth of the brain…”
Fun fact: A lot of Hollywood goes vegan because it allows their body to handle more drug abuse.
“Is Your Medicine Vegan? Probably Not”
The Darwin Awards need a Vegan section.
“Some people avoid products that are tested on or derived from animals, but don’t feel drug-use, smoking, and the like are directly related to the issue of animal cruelty.”
Here’s an illustration of the issue I take with surveys on diet.
I hand-typed this.
2007 – 3618 adults
2009 – 3219 adults
2010 – 548 adults
2011 – 1031 adults
2012 – 1491 adults surveyed.
2007 – 3% vegetarian (more female), 2% vegan (more men).
2009 – 3% vegetarian, 5% partially (WTF is that? That’s normal).
2010 – 2% adults AND children vegetarian. Less than 1% vegan.
2011 – 2% adults AND children vegetarian. Less than 1% vegan.
2012 – 2% adults AND children vegetarian. Less than 1% vegan.
Opposite politics, reporting the same shoddy “data”.
Thinks that make you go Hmmmmm….
What propaganda? Fake news is banned.
You don’t need a phrase like that.
“As of 2016, Asia Pacific held the largest share of vegan consumers globally, with approximately nine percent of people following a vegan diet in this area.”
23 minutes of high caliber bullshit.
It’s the current year! We’re past evolution, aren’t we?
Why am I posting this? I’m a bitch, that’s why.
I dislike when idiots call everyone who notices their idiocy, the real idiots.
I would say drink every time she says something vapid but even James Bond might struggle on this one.
It’s like the Christians at gay pride who think they’ll make a difference.
OMG how dare people have a different lifestyle to me!
Yes. People are allowed but you know the mileage may vary on their results. What’s the problem? Do you really care if Pablo goes to Hell? If you don’t wanna fund their drugs and STD shots, that’s one thing but what are you gonna do, stopper their anus with a cork?
And is this really about the cute and fluffy animals?
When do we put down all zoo and nature preserve predators because they (gasp!) eat meat.
Carnist is a terrible insult, it sounds like a compliment.
You fed on your mother in the womb, biology is weird.
Various chemical supplements can only be derived from animal products, not that it’ll be on the label because the product itself is ‘pure’, this is like Puritan eating. Pest control kills tons of fluffy things because they compete for vegetables and vegans, unlike vegetarians, have tons of gastro issues because their gut lining is ruined.
Where’s the long term study? I haven’t seen a good one. You can’t just claim muh veganism without proof and it’s such a high sugar (and fructose!) diet that it theoretically sounds awful for you.
People who took Disney films a little too seriously as a kid and think they’re all equivalent intelligence to humans. Even humans aren’t equivalent to humans, QED.
What’s the cost in oil to produce various vegan products? Or do they assume production works on fairy farts? They’re heavily processed still.
They don’t wanna fund lab meat, they want to deprive others, typical narc logic.
There’s no such thing as vegan.
It’s a marketing gimmick to overcharge you for the cheapest, wateriest foodstuff.