Male entitlement crushed by ancient Jews

-puts paid to the notion that Weinsteins would be enabled, although it might’ve only applied to Jewish women (who Weinstein still targeted).

3254 words. In a conservative society, saying any of this would be unnecessary.

https://www.sefaria.org/Sanhedrin.75a?lang=bi

Apropos the discussion of the obligation to allow oneself to be killed rather than engage in forbidden sexual intercourse, the Gemara notes that Rav Yehuda says that Rav says: There was an incident involving a certain man who set his eyes upon a certain woman and passion rose in his heart, to the point that he became deathly ill. And they came and asked doctors what was to be done with him. And the doctors said: He will have no cure until she engages in sexual intercourse with him. The Sages said: Let him die, and she may not engage in sexual intercourse with him. The doctors said: She should at least stand naked before him. The Sages said: Let him die, and she may not stand naked before him. The doctors suggested: The woman should at least converse with him behind a fence in a secluded area, so that he should derive a small amount of pleasure from the encounter. The Sages insisted: Let him die, and she may not converse with him behind a fence.

Voyeurism/cuck culture from Jewish (or Fake Jew, YMMV) pornography has addled the brains of many men. Blame the enemy, not your tribal women.

No rape or fornicating. Better God strike you down for your lust.

Now that’s the God I recognise from the Old Testament and Jesus’ orders to look away.

It is also evil for men (doctors) to enable or encourage sin, which checks out. A lot of ‘therapists’ encourage self-destruction, body and soul, to this day. It is likewise, wrong.

Modern men should be ashamed if they lack basic impulse control, ancient men saw women literally walking round with their tits out (Greece, other places) and were man enough not to rape anyone. Clearly, you can’t blame clothes. While God made tits for babies, that doesn’t include crybabies. Like, lesbians don’t want to rape women in the gym shower? Man up.

Or is the muh dick “sexual emergency” sodomy of that Muslim in a white country to a little boy suddenly righteous?

Moving the goalposts won’t work. It’ll just enable gays and pedos to rape you…. a ….slippery slope… indeed….

Entitlement is physical, whether it’s Communists wanting your coin or rapists wanting your, ahem, ‘dignity’. It’s rank materialism and thus rejects all claims or ties to spirituality as a matter of course.

When you think about it, from fat acceptance SJWs to so-called incels, who both wish to impose, they’re all Sexual Communists. It’s Brave New World bullshit. Nobody else cares about what you want, snowflake.

Strangers owe you NOTHING. It’s like Commies who feel entitled to a job from the ‘evil capitalist scum’.

You hate them, no?!

Slavery is illegal, all the actions of it too, like rape or stealing labour. Human rights aren’t going anywhere without you all being drafted to die gored on barbed wire for Israel’s profit margins in the barbed wire sector.

This sexual begging will astonish historians. Especially when they have porn, specialist toys and hands. Their T-levels are pushed even higher with masturbation, why it was called self-abuse. A sexbot would reject them, and probably kill them – Terminator prequel?

Ask them how many gay guys would feel entitled to their hole if ‘everybody belonged to everybody else’, they might get the point. Women have minds and feelings too, like people! God’s people! If women can’t say no to the Darwinian unfit, neither can you because out there, somewhere, is a man who wants to sodomize you – I guarantee it. The standard of most homo men is “they possess an anus” based on the count statistics (100s-1000s, if allowed) so they might get a nasty surprise if any of this actually happened, legally. Actually, is this how Sodom started? Pretty sure.

This type of entitled male complains about prison rape (I’m a victim but not directly attitude) but hey, aren’t they saying it’s okay and even moral if a man feels lust? They’re directly justifying prison rape.

Since you don’t need to consent if a man wants to injure your body, right?

“I want” is a train of thought even a toddler should be shamed for. When your brain develops beyond this, they’re just taking the piss falling back on it. Either get over it (simply by looking away, as Jesus wisely prescribed) OR they’re so brain damaged (poor impulse control is a dominant sign of low IQ) that they belong in an asylum where the wicked existence of the world won’t ‘tempt’ them to be predators (monasteries are also an option, although probably just a more open model of asylum on the same grounds).

Entitlement is a sick combination of practically every sin, especially pride, envy, greed and obviously lust. Anyone trying to justify it as moral is at best a moral relativist and at worst a rapist looking for social approval.

Sex is not a human need. It never has been (especially for women but I digress). You do not need it. You do not need it to live, either. That is a pleasure rhetoric myth from the 60s Free Love hippy bullshit. “Love is all you need” – okay, stop beating your Asian wife first, John. Same guy: “Imagine all the people, living life in peace…” – apply it to your own house first, you abusive prick.

It’s a sign of the backward atheist times that even guys deriding Muslim rape gangs in one breath will use the next to justify their own aspirations to rape a woman for ‘tempting’ them.* This isn’t India or Pakistan, it’s the First World. We don’t negotiate with sexual terrorists, we shoot them. Women looked better in the 50s (1750s, 1850s, and 1950s) and men weren’t catcalling, harassing, stalking and raping them as punishment for being feminine (which have no doubt, is exactly what it is). They can just go live in places that do punish women for femininity (move to Saudi Arabia) but it won’t make them happy either. You’re not entitled to attention from anyone, which is really what the AA for men guys actually want: to jump up the masculine hierarchy without earning respect.

Woman: <is feminine>

Rapists: it’s free real estate.

“Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor’s wife” or daughter or sister or aunt…… etc.

[*Actually, how many fakecels are non-white? Where’s that survey? If most of them are browns who feel entitled to white wimminz, because they moved West, that might explain a lot.]

Applying ghetto culture to white societies has and will be the death of us. Catcalling was just the start. White men should be shamed for acting black like that, it’s so immature, like a dog chasing a car. White people use indoor voices, we don’t ‘holler’. Incels don’t dare turn on rap for brainwashing and insulting white people, a notable omission.

The expansion of the discussion of this story is interesting.

The Gemara comments: Rabbi Ya’akov bar Idi and Rabbi Shmuel bar Naḥmani disagree about this issue. One of them says: The woman in question was a married woman, and the other one says: She was unmarried.The Gemara tries to clarify the issue: Granted, according to the one who saysthat she was a married woman, the matter is properly understood. Since the case involved a severely prohibited forbidden relationship, the Sages did not allow any activity hinting at intimacy. But according to the one who says that she was unmarried, what is the reason for all this opposition? Why did the Sages say that the man must be allowed to die, rather than have the woman do as was requested?

Women aren’t whores unless forced by slavery, simple. God made women with dignity, not as sex toys.

The creeps tend to have three motives – physical obviously, social in bragging about their ‘conquests’ (pathetic) and stealing intimacy, forcing a loss of dignity (that humiliating is pathological, specifically psychopathic).

Naturally, the pathological always claim to be normal and even good, evil lies.

Rav Pappa says: This is due to the potential family flaw, i.e., harm to the family name, as it is not permitted to bring disgrace to the entire family in order to save the lovesick man. Rav Aḥa, son of Rav Ika, says: This is so that the daughters of Israel should not be promiscuous with regard to forbidden sexual relations. Were they to listen to the doctors’ recommendations, Jewish women might lose moral restraint.

Proof narcissists have always existed and saner cultures stamped them down like the cockroaches they are. Rapists (inc. would-be rapists) will literally try to hold society to ransom like we should give a damn about their ‘problems’. Sexually perverse extortion. We don’t negotiate with sexual terrorists, again. White people are simply too civilized and high IQ to consider our own people property, our women aren’t poker chips – not to Western creeps or Middle Eastern ones.

Yes, it is degrading, to the family and the woman, who is also a member of said family.

Ordering round women you aren’t related to is… sad, to say the least. Controlling men are always ironically weak in character, it’s reaction formation.

Nobody should follow the weak, neither women nor men. Appeasement of the freaks is r-selected.

These efforts to corrupt women, in this story or the various incel “I deserve/women should…” posts are depraved.

Spot the r-type:

The Gemara asks: But if the woman was unmarried, let the man marry her.The Gemara answers:His mind would not have been eased by marriage, in accordance with the statement of Rabbi Yitzḥak. As Rabbi Yitzḥak says: Since the day the Temple was destroyed, sexual pleasure was taken away from those who engage in permitted intercourse and given to transgressors, as it is stated: “Stolen waters are sweet, and bread eaten in secret is pleasant”(Proverbs 9:17). Therefore, the man could have been cured only by engaging in illicit sexual interaction.

Scorn degeneracy or it defiles society, one example at a time. A rotten apple spoils the barrel.

“let him marry her” implies she or her family wants to let her remain with the lech (Jews, being civilized, didn’t have forced marriage, the woman chose)

Logically, if it was illicit 1. he’s wronging society, 2. he should be punished (stoning should do it) and 3. then it shouldn’t matter what other men or women (inc her father) think, since it wouldn’t be illicit if they approved any intimacy.

You’re not entitled to anything from strangers, anything, from men or women.

This shouldn’t need be explained to adults.

Being logically sound, they also enforced death penalty as a punishment equally for male or female sinners, it was purely based on the crime.

The prohibition and punishment apply both in cases

You can’t run a society on 50% degeneracy.

If men are the moral authority, their immorality is more evil, since their standard is higher by choice.

Even if all women shut their legs tomorrow, men would still sin and probably just with each other (like the Navy).

Take responsibility for your own feels, weaklings.

The baraita continues: Lewdness is stated here, with regard to the punishment: “There shall be no lewdness among you” (Leviticus 20:14), and lewdness is stated there, with regard to the prohibition: “You shall not uncover the nakedness of a woman and her daughter; you shall not take her son’s daughter, or her daughter’s daughter, to uncover her nakedness; they are near kinswomen, it is lewdness” (Leviticus 18:17). It is derived by means of a verbal analogy that just as there the prohibition applies to the woman’s daughter, and the daughter of her daughter, and the daughter of her son, so too here, the punishment of burning applies to one who engages in intercourse with the woman’s daughter, and to the daughter of her daughter, and to the daughter of her son.

See the tie-in to Christian society, this is germane.

So that Jewish story explains Leviticus.

Also, playing Man Card to rape relatives is obviously evil, no “But muh Patriarchy” isn’t get out of Hell free.

Execution by burning is more severe than execution by stoning

That explains Jesus telling the lustful how they’ll burn.

Interestingly, they killed sinners prior to rape (i.e. damaging the woman).

The baraita taught that the word “sin” is referring to women who are forbidden to a man by a prohibition the violation of which renders him liable to receive karet. From here it is derived that a man who attempts to rape a woman who is forbidden to him under penalty of karet may be killed.

And Rabbi Yehuda maintains that the Merciful One says that a rapist must be killed because his victim is prepared to sacrifice her life rather than yield to rape.

Well, yeah. Rape is worse than murder to women. Men would feel the same if they had the same anatomy and/or could get pregnant. The film Alien was a horror film about one man’s fear of rape and being pregnant, true story.

Let the rapist be, she is saying this so that he should not kill her, and therefore the rapist is not killed.

Let the rape victim decide if the rapist is killed, sounds totally fair. He took away her right over her body, it’s kosher she should get a right over his. There is also the common connection between rapists also murdering their victims, so this acknowledges that in a poetic way.

The same laws Christianity is based on also allow self defense to save a life including prevent crime (such as rape).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pikuach_nefesh

So killing a rapist as they attempt it is kosher too, but also mentioned in the Bible as crying out (for the mob to kill him).

The ‘doctors’ were appealing to that valid breach of the law (where it was invalid) to prevent death but an entitled degenerate isn’t going to die from lack of sex or all monks would’ve keeled over in six months. The incels who kvetch “but I’ll die without an Asian GF” should just off themselves if they really believed that. I wonder how many are borderlines, because threatening suicide (even to strangers) to manipulate people is textbook borderline personality (and this apparently happened in ancient times).

“But I’ll die because muh Dick”

“Okay, die.” – society.

Naturally, their bluff is false because they come back to it over literally years.

Aren’t you dead yet? Weren’t you supposed to be dead in like, the 90s? Promise?

The First World should mock Muh Dicks the way it did historically when it was proud and coincidentally successful. Victim culture bleeding into sex/rape is predictable but evil. Rapists in prison claiming they dindu nuffin started it. No, men needn’t lay SJW fatties. No, white women needn’t lay smelly Muslims. No no no no no.

Muh Dicks – putting the mental in victim mentality.

The fact many claim to be libertarian (your rights end….!) is uniquely hilarious.

Your agency is crap and you should feel bad. A lot of people don’t get laid, including religious types, they don’t obsess over it or threaten to hurt anyone. And aren’t libertarians claiming any degeneracy as a social good if there’s consent? So their one true evil would be anyone who violates consent…. like SJW fatties or the bitter rapey majority of ‘incels’.

When both Jesus and his sage forebears from his ancestral religion say the same thing: you are responsible for being tempted, not the thing you ogle, then it’s pretty clear what’s what.

Ogling is a sin.

I say thing because art, billboards etc. They even do this to things, hence object in objectification. We call them wankers for a reason.

“allow” the pitiful excuse for a man to die

God wants the weak to perish, he goes on and on about it and how the way is narrow et al. He sends tests all the time.

rather than have the woman do as was requested?Implies she wanted nothing to do with the creep, even as his wife. So basically you had a predator with a personality disorder (but I repeat myself) trying to force a random woman into letting him (by the power of the law!) rape her instead of killing him, as was her legal right to self defense.

I could ‘request’ a lot of things from men, it doesn’t make me entitled to them.
Other people are not wish genies.

Bloody losers. I bet he’d malinger to dodge the draft, too. Coercion is immoral, a sign of low character.

Having freedom of choice is THE freedom of white, First World societies. THE liberty our ancestors died for.

Both employers, the military (and women) can tell you, NO, you’re unsuitable for this role.

And you have to accept that, rejection is a fact of life. Women get rejected all the time, including in CV studies. We also get rejected at the HR level for being too attractive according to the SJW hags residing therein, so this alleged advantage is pure fiction.

We can reject and be rejected. You can’t nag the system of evolution into changing – the bird that picks up no stone has no mate.

This can include if there are no other applicants. There is no obligation to just accept anyone. Plenty of women are single rather than settle for a whiny entitled soyboy who’d dodge the draft. I wonder if the incel subs (which is not all celibate people obviously* as they claim, anymore than LGB bullshit represents most gays) have polled their attributes. e.g. How many so-called incels choose to be fat? Choose not to shower? Choose not to work?

Can those choices really be called the fault of women? They have no qualms blaming fat SJWs for their own weight, even in true medical cases where it’s morally grotesque e.g. permanent Pill damage, thyroid issue, genetic disorder.

*On the contrary, most celibates I’ve met were really happy about it. No drama, no stress, no disease, plenty of time for sublimation into hobbies or work or the family they already have. Maybe the innocuous (minority of internet) incels are just sick of virgin shaming, which is a very real and precise issue (very small but brutal and wrong) to do with sexualisation and objectification of people based on their sex life (and what Hollywood tries to force us to think it “should” be). However, they contribute to that culture by assuming that women are sleeping around without them (and verbally abusing them for the imaginary slight) when statistically their peers are having less sex than their parents and you know most of that’s the minority of thots skewing the already low data a bit higher. If society praised the virtues of the innocuous ones, their chastity, would they be miserable? Doubtful. I put it to you those are not ‘incels’ because they’re not misogynists or rapists or anything like that, they’re not trying to control others either, they’re just sick of Hollywood’s culty pressure to dictate what they do with their dick. That is 100% justified.

The Sages raised a dilemma before Rabbi Ami: Is a descendant of Noah,who is commanded to refrain from idol worship, also commanded about the sanctification of God’s name, or is he not commanded about the sanctification of God’s name?

It’s interesting to read their little tizzies to understand later metaphors and tie-ins to Christianity later.

Funny to note: no report of the wannabe rapist actually dying. Borderlines bluff.

They’re briefed on terrorists

Motive doesn’t matter. Public attacks matter.

https://www.rt.com/usa/462475-incels-threat-air-force-briefing/

They know something.

Wide scale plans online?

Whether the excuse was sex-based or not, incitement to attack random civilians is totally their purview.

So-called incels are not actually virgins and most virgins are happy about their lot. Incels aren’t getting as much sex (or rape) as they feel entitled to. You don’t have to be a virgin to be “incel”, stop.

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It shows you how soft people have become to blame others for their own mental illness.

Misogynists project their shadow onto women then try to destroy women. Doesn’t work. They screech like banshees and wonder why all men avoid them too. There’s no AA for sex, as uncabob said, try being attractive. Firstly, don’t be an abuser. These low IQ degenerates existed since the time of Bluebeard.

Their language is infantile aversion. Female? Female what? Smurf?

Scared of the mere word woman, bloody snowflakes.

If you keep threatening to kill the majority of a white population, a powerpoint is warranted.

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It’s all the woman’s fault. They have no respect for men. They destroy what they allegedly love. Sad, actually. Sad for men.

You don’t deserve respect for having a dick. You earn it.

We don’t love you, lazybones. Women are not your mother.

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No jobs, no prospects and then they blame women for not wanting to go out with them. Why don’t the Incels get mad at the economy instead?

That would require responsibility.

Growing up.

It’s sexist to ask Peter Pan to act his age.

Your death bed can’t hear excuses.

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Men and women are not equal, they differ by a chromosome. Plus the argument that men should empathize with women because they are also human beings is rubbish.

Men are mutant women, have lower IQ and more criminals.

If we’re going red pill to oppress anyone, really wanna go there?

Thinks women aren’t human, wonders why they don’t love him.

You couldn’t make it up.

This is the fruit of child centred parenting.

The rotten, rotten fruit.

They’re so busy swallowing their own bullshit you’d think they were doing porn.

[citation needed] for every sweeping statement you can’t call them on

Like, female brain types exhibit cognitive benefits, they’re not even wrong.

https://disenchantedscholar.wordpress.com/2015/11/07/estrogen-boosts-brainpower-actually/

Men have so many neurological pathologies precisely because of their mutant brain.

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Thereby admitting that women are after our money?

What money? You’re an overgrown baby.

These guys needed to be bullied as a child. Severely. You can only beat out that level of stupidity.

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Sure they are. How else are you going to support the 4 children that you are all planning to have? This is all about your genes making it into the next generation – do you expect women to pay for you?

Their gender role, exactly.

This is not about survival, let’s be serious. It’s about luxury.

Not wanting to starve with a loser’s baby is a luxury!

This is why most men in history weren’t allowed to breed.

sane person

Well, even the male bird has to build the nest for the female bird to get interested in mating with him. That is what babies require.

No, but Incels want a family of their own with little chilblains.

Men are not entitled to female fertility, only rapists think so. They could adopt or hire a surrogate but they don’t want to spend any time with their own child raising it, let alone the “easy” work of being a full-time single parent on a huuuuuge welfare check. Narcissists shouldn’t breed.

What woman wouldn’t want them. In their life. Forever.

You are a woman I see. It is women like you that cause men distress.

Snowflakes.

Men built the world you live in, wimmin contributled eff all

Wrong and note, they themselves, also men, are useless eaters on other men (and women).

Women contributed children and so, everything men did.

Alexander the Great was only great because of his mother, read a book.

lucid commentator

Maybe weak men with weak psyche’s…

Men weak in character blame all but themselves. Since they can never be women, that’s the easy target.

The old term is wastrel.

Women were coal-miners

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https://digital.library.lse.ac.uk/objects/lse:daj714zik

As were children, you don’t hear them trying to signal with it. It’s rare to find a male-specific line of work women weren’t roped into at some point.

Why do Americans lie?

Are they too dumb to look it up?

Intellectual dishonest?

Shallow?

Is it because they don’t have a history without us?

For once, the feminists got a point. Working conditions are important but since men worked in more factories, it uplifted men at the same time – something they had no problem with.

Look at all the issues with matchstick factories exploding and asbestos inhalation.

It’s particularly grating because all of the men complaining about miners refuse to do that kind of labour now. Yes, that’s right, they totally claim a gender role only to reject it in practice.

Nice freedom ya got there.

Snowflakes.

Da Wimminz

1,900 words. Good ones. Get a drink.

Only a weak man blames women for inaction.
A decent one knows the man should act for himself.

We could point out many things in a democracy, as a majority.

Considering most violent crimes are conducted by men, I don’t think you’d like it.

The broflakes are too sensitive.
Strangely, the ‘war on women’ has become real. The men who reject their role to lead society or defend anyone, even themselves, point to their genetic kin and cry ‘lazy’. Ah, projection.

It’s da wimminz fault!

No.

You still have to grow up, Peter Pan.
The libertarian arguments (and libertarianism) for multiculturalism/cheap labour, protrude from male corners. All-male corners. Your own sex betrayed you, and you betrayed yourselves in the cowardice to admit this fact.

Where to blame?

It’s either generational, for varying reasons of voting cycle and cultural change or it’s civic. Pro- or the anti-social. Men and women need one another to survive. You’re not just shooting yourself in the foot, but the balls.
Losers notwithstanding.
Men evolved on average for certain tasks, expecting them is not “gynocentrism”, pushed by a bitter Boomer divorcee, it’s the dimorphic specialization of evolutionary biology. It keeps society functional. Biology prefers the life-giving sex, before humans came along.

If you want gender roles, start with yourself.

So-called men say childbirth is nothing to a kick, but don’t want medical advances to do the easy job of growing and carrying to term. Uhuh. Easier than a pod though, isn’t it? Actually possible.

I notice men aren’t willing to bear and raise their own children. Too painful?
You might have to go out less with the boys? #lostboys
Stefan M seems pretty happy in his marriage, Elam’s just sore his marriage sucked. It sucked because he was the one who chose it, directed it (as the male party) and ruined it.

Like some people can’t drive, some people shouldn’t marry.

People treat pop culture like Bible studies too. That disturbs me. Fandom philosophy BS.
Crying into a camera won’t change the world. Teaching the truth about it… a formidable enemy. Truth does not equal conspiracy. We know how shitty this world is, we live here. What works, what came before, what was goodness and why.

You teach principles – logical/moral/legal/historical, you nag with opinions.
And don’t make the classic error of acting like America = Teh World.

Identity politics for men, white men especially, will never work.
Why? It’s like a poker player with the best hand complaining it could be better.
They’re spoiled brats. The Charlottesville lot in their gay little shorts weren’t working class were they? They weren’t out producing anything of worth to society (oh, that looks like the terrifying specter of hard work!). No women either, they didn’t forget they had obligations. Family > Race. (see end) You can’t help anyone unless you self-care and build up yourself as a rock first. You have no authority to draw upon. You’re like the trust fund baby champagne socialists of the left. Lazybones, the lot of yer.
Look around and grow some perspective you accuse everyone else of lacking.

1.It’s not about you.

2.Compared to everyone else, you’re doing really well. Crap is the new normal.

Why aren’t more women in politics? You don’t want us there?

You complain about suicide rates. Isn’t that a choice? Isn’t there a ‘retirement plan’ around that decision? If it’s so terrible, and you suddenly value the human soul, shouldn’t it be a crime again, along with abortion? Or is killing an unborn man acceptable?

You need to be consistent or don’t be shocked nobody listens.
What is the way to win here, for men and women? What do you actually want? How does a functional society operate? Envisaging oppression and systemic slavery of women to get hard about won’t work, has never been real (send proof otherwise), we’ll simply stop working, the economy will grind to a halt because most white women aren’t ghetto trash supporting 4 kids by 3 babydaddies. But for supporting ourselves, like adults, you still insult us. WTF do you want? To bitch. That’s all. Useless bitches.

Women in the workplace was fine, for many centuries. (nb. American history isn’t the only history for white people). The problems started with various types of immigration, which were and remain, largely male. If you’d side with a foreign man over white women, don’t pretend to care for “our” interests. Immigration drove wages down, if you look it up. Women were responsible for economic growth, including wage growth. At the very least, husbands could afford to work longer hours if they knew the woman was running the house, a form of labour. America wouldn’t have won WW2 if its women didn’t work. If a man wants to be a stay at home father because he’s good at it, an outlier, why not? Where is your meritocracy while you whine about freedoms?

Consistency! Your American Dreams for consistency!

Your Independence Day is a joke, your country went to the dogs after you booted out your white kin from power for a melting pot social experiment. ..Can a welfare-dogged society really be called independent?

Why are women statistically more clinically depressed? Men do not listen to reason.

That is the definition of stupid.

https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/stupid

Having or showing a great lack of intelligence or common sense.

Hiveminds stagnate. Don’t take on low IQ muh dicks or your movement dies.

Whataboutism re men is also invalid. It’s changing the subject, derailing is an indicator of someone without an argument. You don’t actually want to discuss problems women have, you expect them to magically go away if you ignore them, like the politicians we despise.

Common one?

Workplace deaths are higher, choosing dangerous fields higher, recklessness, higher.

#notanargument

Those are choices.

You are not soldiers, you are not coal-miners, you are ineffectual crybabies riding the coat-tails of your ancestors who can do nothing but whine like a snowflake that you’re too special to try like the rest of us (inc. women) and that, in spite of living in the Easiest Society Ever, in history, you have still failed to be an adult.

The problems of white women are also white problems, equally valid as the men’s.

You want our support? Ya gotta cooperate with the other members of your group.

Our mutual enemies delight in seeing white men throw their women under the bus. It’s probably a terrorist bus too. The group you need to survive is the one you should never turn on. If you’re a, what’s the term, “race traitor”, or if you’re a “genetic suicide”, you never cared, you just want a soapbox. Born with the other set of genitals, you’d be a fully paid up SJW.

Hm, why don’t women (the biologically, heavily investing sex) want to have children in the age of abusive/cheating/deadbeat husbands/fathers? In the anti-natal culture that offers abortion as soon as you’re told you’re pregnant because it’s assumed the father doesn’t want to raise it and lauds minors as fuckbuddies on the Pill whoring themselves out for drinks and impoverished mistresses known as ‘side chicks’? Before cuckoldry became a popular, pomo fetish, there were plenty of cuckqueans. Women didn’t like it much either. Yes, adultery is wrong! What was the demographic of the Ashley Madison hack again? Yes, it should be punished.

With harsher divorce laws. Why are you even allowed to re-marry when you broke a vow, you can’t renege on student loans but you can abandon your family? WTF is that America? Women file for divorce more often…. but why? The head of the house-hold is a failure. Go ahead, protect marriage. You’d be protecting everyone, but everyone includes women. If you hate/blame women that much, that makes us a scapegoat. Scapegoats are innocent by definition.

Who causes most of the problems, mathematically? You never ask that. Poor baby.

Never dare…

Sexual disgust is far higher in which sex? Women.

…So which sex is degenerate? Men.

Backed by, oh, I dunno, paraphilia studies? Pedophilia studies? Rape data? Basically all of the data we have? Continue to deny reality, because it hurts your egocentric quest to Fix the World without working on yourself and your atrocious impulse control.

Why don’t women with their heads screwed on wanna breed with a man who won’t Man Up?

It’s a MYSTERY, guys.

When men fail their role, women quit the game too! Astounding!

And, if men don’t owe women their finances if they don’t want to marry, why do women supposedly “owe” sex? And how pathetic is it to be a pity fuck, on the subject of ego-trips? An AA orgy for omega men too proud to just masturbate and accept they’re undesirable specimens. You want ladies, in society? Well, they won’t be your whores then, and if you expect otherwise, there’s something wrong with you. Standards do not a ‘bitch’ make. Be consistent.

Which came first, the men fucking around since time immemorial without adequate Biblical consequences, or the Sexual Revolution where more women did it too? Where was the mistake?

Double standards are meaningless. Societies collapse in chaos. If a rich man can shoot you but you can’t shoot him…. well…. isn’t that what’s happening? To interpret Darwin in bad faith is a naturalistic fallacy. Men are not like other animals, they are meant to control themselves.

On Peterson, the little troll.

Clean your room is misunderstood as a meme. Take responsibility when the fault lies with you. Women imitate the moral calibre of their men. You done fucked up, sons.

The meme you blindly love? I didn’t explain it on purpose before. Was funny watching idiots parrot it, oblivious to the fact it was intended for them.

It’s a reference to a proverb, well-known in England;

Sweep before your own door ~John Ray, English Proverbs, p. 135 (1678)
http://forum.quoteland.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/99191541/m/1151077311

translation.

You are responsible for yourself and those you take on (wife and kids, the commitment part??) not some weasel word saving the world bullshit. You can’t save jack shit if you can’t save yourself.

And hypothetically, in a thought experiment, let’s say women were weak, like children.

Is punching down at children acceptable in a civilized society? Ya feel manly?

Cucks are bad, cowards are worse. Men cause many of society’s problems and also are the sex to typically resolve them with society’s graces, historically. Sadly, tragically, historically.

We can deal with Sharia. We can deal with the cucks. [Is the average cuck male or female?]

The punishment for cowards, who knew better? Way worse.

It’s going to be much worse.

You want a model to protest on? Protest is a waste of time, you need to develop political power by actually building things first, but here:

One guy at a protest was counter-protesting in a suit and top hat. I think this was OWS. They knocked off his top hat, some random phag took it and you know how fast guys in fringed Afghan scarves can run. Anyway, the guy disappeared calmly round a corner and re-emerged, moments later, in a fresh, new top hat. Like nothing ever happened.

To this day, that BAMF is the smoothest protester I have ever heard of.

End – is there a generic “white race” or racial category for forensic subraces, plural?

But this is the thing – why should other white people listen to you when people can’t even agree on what they are? And should the genetic studies of countries like Britons be lumped in with the Italians? Sicilians??? There is a slight porous quality to whites, because of sex slavery for starters. There are subraces, in forensics e.g. Basque, Celt, whatever, and to overshoot into White only, denies that and denies the kin blood ties of direct family and the genome of the self. Perpetuation of a race is emergent, not deliberate, the human drive is close kin and the owned genome.

And if you won’t ensure your own survival and success, as a member of your group/race/nation, you cannot claim with any intellectual honesty to care about the rest of the population either.

You tailspin into ruin because you reject the majority of your allies.
The West isn’t a treehouse.

Statists want taxpayer-funded pussy

It finally happened.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Incels/comments/4rlc3x/the_only_way_i_could_ever_get_a_wife_or/

I’ve seen people mention (uncabob? I think?) that all this sexual entitlement is essentially calling for AA for supposed ‘incels’ and they’re finally just admitting that ‘game’ is a marketing gimmick cum Ponzi where they circlejerk e-books that don’t attract a wife, at the very least, which is the only way to make sexual entitlement a legitimate thing.

via The Kids Are Alt Right VI

Previous generations of men would be ashamed at this desperation.

‘Incel’ is normal for the unmarried and …not a sin.

Fornication, prostitution, adultery – all sins.
This is why, it makes for weak men.

“My problems are society’s problems” I bet he calls women solipsistic narcissists or something. Men won’t be widely respected again until they whip this trash into line.
Only one group has the right to have ALL its ‘needs’ met – babies. Babies can’t consent.

<obligatory Brave New World reference>

Everyone belongs to everyone else. – rapists everywhere

I bet they’d still reserve the ‘right’ to reject 1-3s.

It seems, like the ‘refugees’, beggars can indeed be choosers.
When society has gone insane.

Commitment phobia in men

Came across this by chance.

https://www.elsaelsa.com/astrology/men-dont-want-to-partner-because-women-are-toxic/

You shouldn’t be blaming women for the decisions of men. This applies to homosexuals too.

Men are responsible for their own f-ups and they’re failing society by refusing to commit. Boo hoo child of divorce, grow up! Blaming your parents, seriously? How old are they?

Men are meant to lead, including in establishing families. They are lazy. That is why society rots, weak men.

Just Be Yourself is terrible advice. They expect to be held to no external standard they wouldn’t pass. Trophies, get ya trophies! Hold them to a classic standard they can’t pass? You’re a cunt, at least a bitch. No, really, that’s the level they sink to. Children with male lusts. I want a reality show where we send these Nice Guys on dates and watch them being rude, let a studio audience vote on how they truly behave. They’ll deny, deny, deny. The audience is biased. They’re never wrong, like a toddler.

They claim to treat women with respect…. only to make a sex joke, call a girl who wasn’t interested ‘a whore’ (???), fornicate and lie about it, cheat…. they think we’re stupid. Especially considering this thing called Internet.

It’s the ghetto model of courtship which is to say: trash. No fathers. R-types claiming to be reliable, successful and responsible….we can see you’re not.

There’s a serious attitude problem where they think they’re perfect ‘just the way they are’. OK, if you’re a Disney Princess…

Do you want to date an emotional toddler? Complete with tantrums and gaslighting (I never said that text you are showing me). They’re insane.

That’s why even their girlfriends run. Narcissism has a mask that lasts 6-18 months. Under it, they’re ugly.

Commitment phobia is a classic of men and culture reinforces this.

That men can’t afford to keep a wife (they expect she’ll provide for him but also stay at home, be Madonna and Whore, mother and porn star, have at least 4/5 jobs at once – cook, cleaner, hostess, bar friend, primary caregiver, insanity!) and economically, they can’t afford a family.

They refuse to admit this poverty has anything to do with the Gen Y/Z work ethic.

Sure.

They are anti-traditional but want the safety net of it.

It’s now common to hear from perma-single men;

“Why should I buy a woman dinner?”

  1. it’s a choice?

Literally, that’s the point of a date, the man proves he is worthy, as suitor. That’s all, 100%, what a date is. When you ask a woman on a date, you are offering to do exactly that, no more or less. Everyone sniggers at these idiots behind their backs, it’s retarded to the point of humiliation. Every woman hearing that, our eyes widen and we cringe. It’s like hearing a feminazi. They want without giving. Reciprocity is found in birds, FFS.

They refute that fact. Like feminists questioning gender norms (that’s what it is). They deny a male gender role but claim to be masculine? ….. no. Certainly, it puts off anyone traditional in a hundred-mile radius like sexual mustard gas.

But all the issues addressed herein are blatant and disrespectful (almost disdainful) of women in that implication. Women will never want to breed with a misogynist, that would be crazy-stupid. Automatically, any wife material woman will think ‘cad’ if a man doesn’t think she’s worthy a minor social ritual. He won’t ever provide,that is a Bad Man, to shirk his end of the equation, and we don’t wanna be welfare queens. Then with age, wrinkles and losing hair, they still go after the teenage women who always ignored them. …Losers.

Love isn’t a numbers game by age or approaches.

They bring a pornographic misogyny to the table. You’ve seen them rant, right? Women are higher EQ, we understand their psyche from their speeches. Yeah, we hear you. Wish we didn’t. That’s why none of us wanna date you. Cooties metaphors should be left at school. Mixed social settings are a rehearsal for coupled life and 21st century man is far more rude than the average feminist. They just don’t know it and we quietly avoid them.

They complain there are no ladies…..

There are. But you’re not a gentleman. Hence, Nice Guy memes. .,,They aren’t nice, they’re users. They think we’re stupid, while knowing about the EQ thing. Dissonance.

For a flipped example of the above question.

They have become like feminists – the worst kind: “why do I need to look pretty on a date?”

That’s the kind of dumb where they dunno social conventions aren’t a choice. Do it or not, no customizing. It’s like something a five year-old would say. “Why do I need to open the door for her? She should open it for me!*” children are meant to be inconsiderate, though, you grow out of it. *Those are not the values of a traditional man.

The psychology is interesting – they get everything they want from ‘girlfriends’ aka the idea of a GF makes a wife redundant. Legally, men are shirking their duty and there is a widespread maturity problem in all ages and both sexes today. It’s simply apparent in men because young men are failing to thrive on purpose, preferring porn and video games.

Disloyalty is on the rise, thanks to gay culture infiltrating straights (Grindr, Tindr).

Cheating is supposed to get you divorced. 10 commandments.

Peter Pans are a known issue, look at the men over 21 who care as much about the future as a 13yo girl (psychopathic high time pref) and act like teenagers (OMG the slang, so wrong).

They’re trying to demand impossible things of women (look like a supermodel, don’t be vain, be wise, don’t age, have expensive taste but pay for yourself because we love you). Women are leaving (most of) them on the shelf because the effete modern male is NOT a man and has NOTHING to offer. Look at them sometime.

Talk to them, ask them what they’ve got going for them, what gets women.

…It’ll get awkward.

If you were a woman, honestly, would you marry any of them? Give up all potential…. for that?

Worst part?

They blame women for their incompetence at being men.

That’s why they’re alone. As a man in all traditional metrics, how do they do?

Not fake muscles like breast implants, fake masculinity looks vain and gay (cos it is).

Professional reputation, any savings, desire for children, will to parent and be a good father, impulse control, no temper, no resentment of women. Things historically considered basic.

Most can’t even speak to women without insulting them (to later ask with truly autistic self-awareness ‘why do they avoid me?’) , creep around, lech, openly deride what is feminine and good and expect a 10 to plop out the Heavens just for them.

Negging attracts the damaged ones. They’re totally insecure together at least.

If no woman is good enough, their masculinity will never be tested.

If they never marry, they can’t fail as a husband.

Cowards. 9/10. Cowards.

Petty, childish, nauseatingly evasive from an adult.

Women are waiting for them to self-correct.

They want the best of both worlds in all cases or they check out. Swallowed equality propaganda, but men must prove themselves to women to breed. They try to get women to qualify then wonder why only the masculine ones apply?? They don’t want to provide anything, so they receive nothing. They are spoiled and entitled, whiny and bitchy like other women, the worst ones.. the ones we avoid even for friendship. I said the opposite here once, it applies vice versa; if women wanted someone whiny, bitchy, effeminate, we’d be lesbians!

We don’t want another woman, even if he has a penis. Also porn isn’t real and no woman will ever worship it. Don’t put pussy on a pedestal, inverted. No Mighty Phallus expectations.

Your body doesn’t make you masculine, gender is MENTAL.

They are mentally deficient in this. How many can hang a picture? Change oil? Take a punch?

Men, 101. Their grandfathers would be disgusted and ashamed.

This is common sense.

They do not know this. Women resent needing to teach a male age-peer the fundamentals, we’re not Mom. That is creepy.

They aren’t worth the effort. Part of the male fitness test is initiative. They don’t want to do some male duties? They’re broken, like society.

TLDR: They’re wholly selfish but can’t even take care of themselves. A woman wants a husband, not a moaning child.

They are not husband material, they deny such a thing exists (very progressive) because they’d fail any fair test; they’re not even men. They’re male children that survived to 18 without maturing. I hated typing this, makes me fear for the West.

It’s so bitter and narcissistic raging, they’re seriously talking about cloning. …. they couldn’t afford.

The weak man fallacy is postmodern moral relativism

In short, you can’t judge our worst because you don’t appreciate our best.

Yes, it’s the Marilyn quote writ spergy.

It’s a form of manipulation that snidely suggests: unless you cede ground (cheerleading for us, hang Burden of Proof), you must have no ground to cede (intones reciprocity may be given in exchange like a con artist). It assumes the target must qualify themselves and positions the speaker as Moral Authority, without the merest mention of biographical proof for that, highest of statuses (people often engaged in debates over morality rarely have a moral compass to speak of, they are simply virtue signalling in comparing how relatively bad they are to one another like a pissing match of STDs and bad decisions).

h/t http://slatestarcodex.com/2014/05/12/weak-men-are-superweapons/

I want to clarify a few things from this point without insulting SSC who is a brilliant writer I respect the intelligence of. This isn’t going to be precise because I think the fallacy is baseless.

The tumblr example is terrible, there’s a third variable causing the row, claiming the social status of doctor when its value is in its earning. Beth is claiming she is the moral equivalent of a Doctor because she can use Google. Alice is correct but worded her complaint poorly (doesn’t make her wrong).

The supposed weak man fallacy is actually based on stereotype, and these are empirically valid social constructs (the dark secret of liberal social psychology) connecting demographic to characteristic behaviour so arguing against them is like pissing in the rhetorical wind, the train is fine!

No literally, you can disprove the postmodern ‘stereotypes are mean lies’ people with maths. A lot of this is clever high-level social intelligence leveraged against the dumb and dishonest. It appears dumb to spergs until the person using these tactics wins, at which point the sperg assumes a fallacy must have been committed and the winner must be dialectic-ally, factually wrong because they can’t personally understand it (a common issue with the supposed rationalist community).

The fastest way to get someone to self-identify their moral issues is to openly criticize those issues and wait for them to argue against you, because it’s personal to them and you identified them without needing to address them by name, but by flaw, and they will argue against you whatever the content of your own argument, however blank and vacant and subjective e.g. I hate women who slut around, any woman objecting is identifying herself as a slut or I hate entitled men who think they’re everything while proving nothing, any man objecting is identifying as entitled, to hold such egoistic beliefs without pragmatic grounds i.e. narcissist.

I hate (group) who do (thing).

It’s very precise and an effective rhetorical shiv. It’s also self-contained logic. You can’t reason against it, if the assertion itself is true (stereotypical). Yes, in reality, they do.

Sometimes people trying to wield this take it too far and go into motivation (cheap Freud knockoffs without formal qualification, see Dr thing above for deserved societal disdain). Such secondary assertions can be argued against (reasons, motives) and rhetorically bring the whole house down despite how the original assertion is in fact statistically significant, but score 1 for the enemy, numbnuts. You overplayed your hand.

Not All (group) is missing the point, unless *All* was similarly overplayed or implied by the original assertion, while achieving the opposition’s aim of outing that very group, so you can hold them socially accountable for their actions (more on this below). It’s like playing Spot the Vegan or the remarkably dull reply of “Well I identify as a feminist!” Yes, you blithering idiot, I was hoping you would. Game on.

This is crucial so, when losing, they can’t fall back on the “I was just playing Devil’s Advocate” card, a third person neutral objective perspective card. Personal is the opposite of those things.

As for belief systems, pointing out inconsistencies and reasoning from the most evil behaviour up is rather logical. Membership of ideological groups is a choice and all members support by the very fact of their identification support their group’s most insane ideas, what is often referred to as privilege is actually a refusal to question their own behaviour and decision-making skills, psychological immaturity from any adult, a refusal to overcome their ego, for example, MGTOW refuse to question male choices nor admit poor male decision-making exists, so now they’re gaining a reputation as hateful as feminists. Since no adult is blameless and it’s a victimhood mentality to blame authority figures for your own fuck-ups.

They are trying to excuse the bad eggs by pointing to the good eggs, while the whole point of the argument is that the good eggs are by their chosen membership in the group shielding the bad eggs from the criticism the argument is attempting to provide, perhaps to find a solution together and correct it for communal benefit. It’s also a failure to apply the same logical proposition broadly, so if you cannot make a specific type of decision in one area e.g. this is good wife material, it’s a symptom of a deeper error in decision making (quality assessment, personal preference) that will affect all other areas of life too, in deeper and more obscure ways.

Weak man isn’t even its own fallacy, it’s moving the goalposts (metaphorically fleeing) and putting words in the other person’s mouth by making premise assumptions (straw man), up to and including a conspiratorial evil plan e.g. against Jews, that must be reasoned as true from the opponent’s own argument to be accepted in debate. You don’t hang someone on the basis of the testimony of their enemy, but you can hang them on their own. If the person says evil things, it can be assumed they have evil intent e.g. Kill All Men. If they do not, or give another plausible explanation, they must be given benefit of the doubt, hence innocent until proven guilty.

Relating to the bad egg example;

Why would you shield someone personally if you thought what they were doing was wrong?

This mode of argument entices our hidden motives, evil ones, such as those anti-tradition and anti-civilization ones commonly held by SJWs.

Intellectual honesty values the dialectic correction to short-term rhetorical (political) victory. Lose the battle, win the
war.

The simplest rhetorical spurn I can give is;

(Commonly accepted Evil demo) weren’t all bad, they (did good thing).

example

The Nazis weren’t all bad, they saved countless lives with their medical research.

Technically true, yet missing the point of any ideological argument.

Or on a personal behaviour level;

Hitler was an atheist vegan who loved dogs.