r-types and arguments

http://www.mcsweeneys.net/articles/we-are-now-at-the-point-in-this-argument-where-i-realize-i-am-wrong

If you’re playing by Queensberry rules using logic and the other guy is fighting dirty and kicks sand in your eyes, he will always win.

At this point, I’m no longer connected to my actual values, but instead the pure animalistic desire to be better than another person. You’re still playing with everything to lose. I wish I could just say you’re right — I really do — but my lizard like brain is defensive and you’ve attacked me. I can see in your eyes how much you actually care about not only this issue, but also how much you care about me. I’m actually kind of sad for you.

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Subhuman, see it? Zero intellectual honesty, no searching for truth, no emotional sincerity whatsoever. They’re bullies looking for someone to verbally kick. The ‘debate’ is a framework, they broke the rules first by entering with dishonest intentions. Morally, you’re clean.
They don’t feel genuine pity or remorse (except for themselves, hardly genuine). They know the words but not the music, as is often said of sociopaths.
When in debate with a person like this, do not let them go. Do not let them wriggle out. Amygdala hijack them over and over again as hard as you can and wait for them to crack before they run (you’ll know when they crack, you’ll just know). You screw them down and crush them (h/t Greene) or they will go after other innocent people. When they run away by choice (which requires cracking first), they don’t come back. It triggers their childhood rejection schema. When they are crushed, they think twice the next time they want to start trouble. If enough people do this, they stop altogether. It’s a moral duty to create this outcome if you may.

Know how I know this?
How I can tell the damaged ones on-sight? Partly experience, partly….

In the future, I will perhaps be calmer and admit my wrongdoing. However, more likely, I will add this moment to the large list of times I’ve been wrong and let it be erased from my memory. When you mention it again, I will pretend it never even happened.

MEMORY BLACKOUTS ARE NOT NORMAL. 

I believe AC covered them in r-type narcissists/sociopaths.

He genuinely believes all of that, because that is what he remembers, even if he doesn’t remember a single phrase or idea Klingenstein said to him (which I am sure he doesn’t).

False memories up the wazoo.

(It should be noted, if attempting an amygdala hijack, and your opponent successfully meme-ifies you in their mind, your hijack will fail, because they will no longer be listening. In such a case, you must de-meme-ify yourself in their head, by identifying how they meme’d you, and then showing exactly how wrong they are using pure logic, in an argument made to the crowd of observers watching. Once you are no longer racist, etc. to the crowd, they look silly for thinking that, and they are back paying attention, continue to out-group and humiliate, in a calm and reasoned fashion.)

and here

The first time I realized he had real problems was the day after he did something weird right in front of me. The next day I asked him why he did it, and he looked at me confused. “I never did that! Not only didn’t I do that…. I would never do that!” His voice rose to a crescendo, his arms waved in the air, and his insistence, combined with the genuinely puzzled and confused look on his face, made me think he literally didn’t remember doing something very memorable the day before. Otherwise, how could he deny it, and think I would acquiesce?

…This was my first clear introduction to the concept of “False Reality.” Narcissists inhabit what is called a false reality. In this false reality, they are as near to perfect as a human being could possibly be. Of course this false reality usually diverges from real reality, where they often will have difficulty in the simplest of relationships over the long term – and most who know them well view them as, for lack of better words, evil, damaged, and crazy.

Everyone else is screwed up, even people they used to sing the praises of, suddenly stories of secret abuse and “deserving” bad things come out. It’s warped to watch them. Highly disturbing.

Something common I’ve had: They claim correcting them on the inappropriateness of personal issues in reasoned debate is abuse. That you are abusing them by using logic. Seriously.

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n.b. I realize this site is comedy but it really nails the mindset.

Video: Your average degenerate

I can see the point. I think this is r-type low-IQ low/no Need for Cognition dominance as culture panders to the lowest denominator who is crucially – easily parted with their credit cards. When the credit tap dries up, we’ll see a flip, in my estimation. Salesmen go where the money is. In a monetary vacuum, nobody looks up to these people. Adverts are a dream that consumer buys into. They matter. They have importance. There are things catered to them, after all. Increasingly, they shape their identity around what they are told is valuable about their ‘demo’ by the master puppeteers.

However, the use of degenerate in Europe refers to primarily sexual or rarely, other form of antisocial abuse with traumatic shockwaves to surrounding societal structures (mostly drugs, because the rush and risk is similar to sex).

These people complain when what society said would happen, does. The classic routes worked where none of the others did, it’s almost-Darwinian societal structure selection. See many atheist countries lately? Yet these individuals are ignorant of history and think their trendy opinions will lead them right forever. When they’re inevitably ruined, as society warned them from childhood they would be, they expect everyone else to play parent and clean up their mess. Bailouts. Everywhere. For adults. They complain they are oppressed and nobody listens to them whine. – Probably ‘cos they know they can’t talk you out of being stupid, it’s a lifelong condition. This is the rationale behind that Law of Power on the ‘unlucky’. The same faulty decision-making will fell you too, if such is the cause of their woe.

Take advice from a suicide on life? Sure, what’s the worst that could happen? They’re naive and destructive, a fatal combination in ANY OTHER SOCIETY IN HUMAN HISTORY.

They failed to grow up and each failure thereafter compounds their issues. Leave them be. The issue is assuming everyone is an expert for having an opinion. Nope, most opinion (has a right to exist but) is irrelevant beyond its dwelling place because it fails basic reality checks. They are marked by their ingratitude to people who humour them, and play parent, who tell them the truth. You don’t want to behave, you don’t want the truth, what do you want? ~ it is sensible to ask. To be God. A life with one half cut out. Rights and no responsibilities. Highs and no lows. These people are an insult to children, they may in future count as a form of antisocial retardation; the ignorance of the laws of physics applied to social beings, of the conflict between biology and agency, of chemistry applied to their under-developed brains. They are arrogant enough to believe they are exempt from the rule of the Universe they inhabit. There is no such thing as morality, there is no objective Universe. If you ask, they believe this. They may as well live in a social media cave (Plato) and be done with it. These people would honestly do better in an asylum than out in the harsh realities of a world they dispute to exist. If we lived out in space, we’d shoot these people out of the airlock for sport. They are a waste of resources and it’s a cosmic joke they support all abortion. A temporary boon in global fertility off the back of the tireless noble Victorian productivity (stone-dead two productive generations later, 1901-1961) they derisively mock allowed them an existential hurrah they have wasted for others before the next Malthusian population-levelling event pops up and takes them down into the sinking abyss of genetic irrelevance, the human equivalent of the Dodo. I laugh at these people, for what else is there to do? The village idiots are running the show, may as well enjoy it. We may not see the men in white coats approach them from the corner of our vision but trust, their time is approaching. As George Carlin said, we’re circling the drain, and things pick up speed as we near the end of this era, as we’ve seen in the past year or two. We are the spectators who live in interesting times.

Morality is a slippery slope, which isn’t a fallacy at all when applied to realpolitik, covered with a shiny hard plastic layer of Doublespeak and called a “trend” instead.